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n0mesorahParticipant
Dear Avira,
What you posted about Rav Belsky is completely true. But Rav Moshe still held that it would be omer muttar ant exempt from a korban chatos.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Nevile,
My apologies, I was not intending to speak for anyone. I was thinking about a new metzius of eruvin that would resemble a city that is enclosed. But as long as it’s basically the same Brooklyn, it’s a Torah question and not just technical halachah.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Mentsch,
As far as I know all the standard yeshivos have night seder tonight.
n0mesorahParticipantHere is the deal. The yeshivshe velt thinks they are making a stand for the Torah of Eruvin. This is more than just a question of halachic decision. The R”Y organized a meeting (Please tell me if you know this to be true or false. Third hand information. I trust the second hand’s reporting, but not his grasp.) to discuss Meseches Eruvin in concept [Among other things. The point was to be above the table about their differences.] but the major matirim didn’t show.
According to Rav Moshe himself, one can rely on (at least some of) the poskim who approve of the Eruv. (Even though they are wrong on the matter.) But it doesn’t change this issue. The Yeshivaliet will not approve of an Eruv here even if the metzius would change. In their eyes, the whole business is a callous approach toward Torah and Mitzvos. It strikes too close to the core of what it means to be a Ben Torah in a Yeshiva, to ever gain acceptance.
To the OP – This must be the fifth time I wrote this response to you. I think you got this answer in real life.
May 8, 2023 3:21 pm at 3:21 pm in reply to: I refused to be injected with an experimental product #2188324n0mesorahParticipantDear Neville,
That logic was very much in place. Priority was placed on stopping the spread in a haphazard bureaucratic fashion. The primary logic was to give time to develop remedies and disperse equipment. If what we actually saw happen was a cultural reaction or the clinical intention is beyond my research capabilities.
But the more the dust settles it’s more and more apparent that the USA really bungled this whole thing. (And I don’t mean that as a political indictment or endorsement. Americans struggled with adversity on a national scale. For maybe the first time in it’s history.)
PS If people wouldn’t have been sick for so long – and the same small percentage died, there wouldn’t have been any shutdown.
n0mesorahParticipantMarlboro regs (Reds).
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avram,
But that Mishna is about a deviation of practice.
What is there to fear about beliefs?
Are you assuming that one who does not know enough to fully state his/her beliefs will attempt to slyly convince others of his/her half-baked opinions?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
I would prefer that the Rebbe be open about what he doesn’t know enough about, instead of hiding it and stuttering whenever he comes across the topic.
It’s intolerable to be unable to say I don’t know.
I don’t know why this troubles you.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
I’m not talking about myself. Your are missing out on a deep sugya. Oh well.
It’s always fun when people who have no clue what the story was, bring Up Rav Aharon’s battle on how to teach chumash.
Rav Aharon and Rav Moshe were constantly trying to educate their peers on how much of yiddishkeit will be lost, if people don’t dedicate their time to Limud HaTorah. This especially true with dayos.
The Ramban is in Parshas Shelach.
The Rambam is in Hilchos Teshuva 2:2
The questions stand.
What does lo sichanem have to do with non idol worshippers?
What is the threshold of fulfillment for the first mitzvah?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Chicago,
Of course, everyone knows that. What’s the chiddush?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Gadol,
It depends on the locale. If the goal is to have a Kollel to build the Community, then the answer is definitely yes. If the Kollel is a self contained idea, then usually not.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Putting,
i don’t yell about eruvin. Though I should be yelling at your post. Shabbos clocks is a halachic question, be lenient or stringent at your leisure.
Eruvin is an entire Mesechta in Shas. It was enacted way back in antiquity. We should just throw it out, for the sake of those who are too lazy to keep or prep for Shabbos?
n0mesorahParticipantIt seems like those that do not dress yeshivish, make a bigger deal about it than those who do.
It just a silly hat. Let him wear it. Without critiquing every aspect of his life. Who cares?
n0mesorahParticipantOk, I won’t. But do you disagree with the need for any investigation into the beliefs or character of a man being considered to lead a community? Should we not care about whether the man who paskens Hashem’s law to us actually believes that Hashem exists and gave us that law?
Dear Avram,
I don’t know with investigation, in practice it seems to be more about personal recommendations. So maybe you want to rephrase your question to me.
I don’t see the need to be concerned about his overall structures of belief. If he comes qualified for his job, we would assume (Perhaps we are wrong for taking this for granted. Perhaps I am wrong and rabbis are grilled on their beliefs.) that he has the ideas that necessitate his qualifications. If the posek doesn’t understand that Torah is min Hashamayim, then he isn’t fully qualified to pasken. In short, I didn’t give a clear answer. Because I’m uncomfortable with the scenario.
But more important, is that the one who is imparting beliefs – whether as a school teacher or giving lectures to adults, is open and up front about what he or she is completely convinced of, and what is unclear to them. Then at least the pupils won’t have blind faith that their instructor has worked everything out.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Ze,
On this thread, how did you know that Kennedy was saying the truth about the Pandemic, and what convinced you that he is against Big Pharma.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Reb Eliezer,
The point is that he admits that it’s his opinion and he couldn’t persuade his contemporaries. It doesn’t matter who else had the same idea. It’s misleading to build an eruv according to a self described minority opinion.
There are two smaller eruvin in Brooklyn. Why don’t you start with those?
n0mesorahParticipantAnd, I’m totally confused why this thread is about lo sichanem. The commenter was not talking about idol worshippers.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
How does anybody know what they believe? The Rambam has very strong wording for teshuvah gemura. He doesn’t say by the mitzva of emunah anything like that. So who is to say that I believe more than you, or more than any self proclaimed atheist? Maybe we all are believers, maybe none of us are. This has to be wrong. A mitzvah from HKB”H can’t be so wishy washy.
If someone says they don’t keep mitzvos they don’t lose their chezkas kashrus. So how do we accept that the atheist is an atheist? And if he really is an atheist, and then we can assume that he lies for his own benefit (Because there is no Higher Authority in his mind.) so maybe he is lying and is not an atheist.
n0mesorahParticipantRav Moshe’s opinion is that Brooklyn is a Reshus Harrabim with out Ocean Parkway.
n0mesorahParticipantDoes anybody think that Joe Biden would have been a great president, but now he is too old for the job? If not, what is the point?
Is everybody so wimpy that they can’t say what they think about politicians?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Reb Shlomo,
The opposite. Rav Moshe did not want to fully enclose any borough with an eruv because people would say that it’s not a reshus harabbim because it has an eruv. He advocated tikun eiruvin where it was not called into question.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Reb Eliezer,
Rav Menashe wrote that he was told off for using cars as a chiluk. Et cetera.
n0mesorahParticipantI agree with Halevi’s sentiment. But the OP is saying that aggadah has to be actually learnt. You can’t just quote the words. So I humbly disagree with the other posters about our gedolim and my mesorah and your rebbe. See the Gemara inside and learn up the whole page. And then (Only then!) we can see if our own ideas have any legitimacy left.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Ze,
I’m still waiting for you to post your research.
Kennedy is an asset to Big Pharma. Attacking vaccines and emergency measures keeps eyes of where all the scandals really are. And you need to decide on your target.
Pfizer and Fauci have vastly different financial interests.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Rebyid,
So I built a doghouse and I am on the way to the pound. How do I know what kind of dog my friend wants?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Reb E,
Please don’t post all these inaccuracies on such a topic.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Lakewhut,
Enough. Stop. You can go use whatever eruv you want. I don’t care. But a lot of people do. And there is nothing you or I can do to change that. As I responded to you on multiple threads, this is not just an issue of muttar/assur. You could also put on earrings. But people will look down at you the same much as if you use this eruv. Now do you get it?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avram,
What if he refuses to tell us what he believes? Is there supposed to be some kind of inquisition to make sure people are of the right mind on various critical matters?
(Deep breath,) don’t ask me to get involved in who you choose as a rabbi.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Ze,
I was in Florida for a while. There are way too many dangerous people there.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
You missed the main question. What needs to be done to fulfill the mitzva of believing in Hashem?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
Maybe they did treat some or all of them like tinokos shenishbu. I don’t think they were tinokos shenishbu at all. But when the Ramban says that most of the people forgot everything, he was saying what he knew to be true.
And I don’t know where to find about Bayis rishon in that book. As far as I know Josephus skips the malchai yisroel there. Try Antiquities. But if that’s all you have, see his descreption of the Jews in the Diaspora.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
For you it would be enough to stop by Rav Moshe and Rav Aharon. Their battle on deyos is almost the reverse of yours.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
I was wondering how you got from the Rambam to the Maharal. Are you using the Maharal on lo sichanem to harass the poor commenter in your OP? I have been thinking Rambam the whole time. Sorry.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
is it the day Rav Shimon שמת = died?
Or the day he שמח = rejoiced?The Chida already pointed out that it has to be the latter. When he actually died is unknown.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Menachem,
I’m aware. Some of these letters are right before the letter to Rav Zevim. (My chakira is, was the Rebbe saying that this is the way it was, or the way it should have been. Of course he is saying that now it is that way. But he didn’t have a clear way of demonstrating it. If he did, he would have told it to Rav Zevin at the very least.) The Rebbe knew about the misprint, is my only point.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
I have to be clear what I think. I have to put all my efforts into Torah and Mitzvos. That includes that I do what I can that others should be involved in Torah and Mitzvos.
But I should not be concerned that others are not thinking wrong. I answer amen to someone’s bracha even if I didn’t debate their belief in anything. My thoughts matter to me. Someone else’s doesn’t.
Show one source that I should get involved in your yiras shamayim.
Your being very juvenile.
n0mesorahParticipantCorrect. And?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
Does your last post mean you’ve come back to just jewish concepts and are not bothered by how much it sounds like things that are current in the outside world?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
So in your opinion, what is the dividing line between an atheist who has no olam habah and one who keeps the mitzvah of believing in Hashem?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
According to your take, lo sasuru refers to one’s own thoughts as much as to any heretical thoughts. How else can you understand the Rambam?
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
The concept under discussion (Pen Yeish Bachem…) is about a lax involvement in Torah. Not ideological or theological speculation. Just sit and learn. I don’t get what your trying to sell.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
Look it up. If there is a historical proof from Eliyahu, than the Gemara understood it not like you posted.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
No. Chazal understood TaNaCh, that the Torah was just nearly forgotten. As in completely lost. I don’t know how well you understand Chazal. You seem to be more familiar with the low level hashkafists of the last hundred years than any of the Great Gaonim.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
The issue here is not my own shortcomings. I would agree with what you on that. Even though you have no idea what I am like. The topic was Lo Sichanem. Which applies to Idol Worshippers, not even all non-Jews. Most definitely not Jewish Atheists. Maybe I lost the thread. I can’t figure out what happened here.
But anyways, it’s more fun to keep going. So……..
n0mesorahParticipantAnd on Erev Shabbos we are not chosesh for tarti dsasri.
n0mesorahParticipantMagen Avraham plag is a misnomer.
n0mesorahParticipantDear American,
I think AAQ is being more accurate. These people would be terribly insulted if you tell them they are atheists. Like telling people who use an eruv they are violating Shabbos.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Avira,
“But we must not permit alien ideologies or beliefs to enter our minds”
So control your own mind. Think what you believe to be correct. What is the big deal.
Don’t go around examining every one else’s opinions. It will just confound you.
Whatever anyone thinks they believe, pales in comparison to what Hashem sees in their intentions.
It is not a public debate what yidden should think. It is critical that we act like Yidden.
If you see chilllul shabbos or bittul torah, you try to rectify it.
If you see dayos kozvos, you walk away.
Someone who bothered to think things through, is not going to be impressed by someone telling him that his Rebbe said something else.
Most people who say a lot on these topics, are quoting a great scholar who they do not understand.
n0mesorahParticipantDear Ze,
Those that are actually fighting Big Pharma suspect that RFK Jr is a shill for the pharmaceuticals. He has quite a past. Who paid for it?
n0mesorahParticipantreliefhelp dot org
Someone could help you look for a private sponsor. It could be an open ended loan.
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