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mytakeMember
pascha bchochma
Don’t worry; beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, so every girl can be a model to someone…you just gotta find the right beholder!
pumper
Don’t assume that these boys weren’t looking for someone pretty-they probably think that this “not pretty at all” girl is gorgeous.
Thank God that beauty is, in fact, in the eyes of the beholder…otherwise there would takeh be a pretty serious shidduch crisis…
March 2, 2011 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747805mytakeMemberbinah
I agree with you, but in this particular case it may just be looking2grow’s best option…
March 2, 2011 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747803mytakeMemberlooking2grow
If you’re dressing like “yourself”, continue doing so. The ones who won’t appreciate it, shouldn’t matter to you, and the one who is meant for you, will.
As for your family, like I said, I don’t think think I’m qualified to answer the question. As hard as this is, you probably should get daas torah on it. (Would it be possible to send someone to talk to your Rav on your behalf?)
Good luck!
mytakeMemberblabla
Great hearing from you again! Hope you’re doin ok today! Keep in touch, if you can, and let us know how things are going.
mytakeMemberYatzmich
You are so right.
mytakeMembercshapiro
Wear anything that’s ‘you’! Why would you dress like someone you’re not?
March 1, 2011 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747796mytakeMemberminols
There’s nothing wrong with giving chizuk about women’s role in supporting Torah, and you’re more than welcome to start such a thread.
But the importance of Tznius in the Jewish community cannot be emphasized enough.
Now that things are in the “proper perspective”, I’m curious to hear: Why does the attention this issue is getting bother you?
mytakeMember50-60
mytakeMemberblabla
First of all, I hope you’re feeling better today. I know that with depression there are better and worse days. I hope today is a better one.
I’ve seen someone very close to me overcome depression more than once,and as their main source of support, I have come to learn a thing or two about living with depression.
Since I am not familiar with your emotional/mental medical history,the severity of your depression, or your general lifestyle and possible causes for your depresion I cannot offer specific advice, but I believe that the RIGHT PSYCHOLOGIST and a great SUPPORT SYSTEM are crucial for your recovery.
So you might want to read through these few questions below, and see if your psychologist is indeed doing what he/she should:
1. Is this psychologist treating the symptoms, or the problem? Depression manisfests itself in a variety of ways, but the key is to treat the underlying cause.
2. Does your psychologist spend most of the session talking to you about “how you’ve been doing” since the last visit, or does he/she ask you to brief him/her on how you’ve progressed (or haven’t, C”V), and then immediately starts talking tachlis. The former is a big red flag. The better psychologists are mainly focused on tachlis, and encourage a good support system (family, friends)to let you vent or offer encouragement.
4. Who controls the session? You or the psychologist? He/she should. Do you feel that he/she has a goal for each session, or do you just talk about whatever until time is up?
I have lots more to say, but I hate long posts, so one more point:
Please, please, please tell me your getting support from someone other than us members in the cr. That is so so important. I don’t know if and how often you still check this thread, so I hope to God there’s someone who is there for you whenever you need an ear or a hug.
I’ll be davening for your hatzlacha! And I promise you that life won’t always be this ___________- you fill in the blank….
mytakeMembermosherose
Your post is either dripping with sarcasm, or the most warped idea of marriage that I ever heard of.
March 1, 2011 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747791mytakeMemberred head
Just curious; what happened in sem that made you change your Tznius standards? Any particular thought or idea or sefer/book that played a big role there?
March 1, 2011 6:48 pm at 6:48 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747790mytakeMemberlooking2grow
Are you sure that these longer skirts honestly portray the real you? Because I’m not hearing you say things like “My mother/brother totally doesn’t understand what kind of guy I want to marry…”
So it seems to me that you guys are all on the same page…’till it comes to skirts.
If this is the case, you may want to reconsider this skirt change (as long as your mother’s preferred length is okay al pi halacha).
It’s hard for people to get a feel for what kinda girl you are if your dressing style is way different than the typical girl of “your type” (sorry for “typing” you up under a label, but you chap what I mean, right?).
Just something to think about…Good luck and may you find your bashert really soon!
mytakeMemberI think that all we really need is a friend. I mean, what did people do before the days of psychologists, or at least, before EVERYONE had one?
Come one, most of us are pretty much okay. Of course we have our down days, but that doesn’t mean we need professional help. We just need a friend.
Be it a parent, a spouse, a sibling, anyone really who cares enough to ignore their phone for a while, and bother to understand what’s going on in our lives. (And no, texting “wasup” every couple of hrs don’t count, and neither is email.)
Just mytake on this.
February 25, 2011 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747776mytakeMemberlooking2grow
If I got your question right, you want to know if 2″ past the knee is okay, and also, if Hilchos Tzius overrides Kibbud Av V’Eim.
Regarding the 2″, it’s easy to figure out. Just check if your knees are covered in all positions-sitting, walking, going up stairs, getting in and out of cars, etc. If it’s always covered, then you’re ok.
I’m not qualified to answer the second question.
Hatzlacha!
mytakeMemberFunny.
mytakeMemberWhen I was in HS we learnt the halachos of Yichud thoroughly. I don’t know about other schools/sems, though.
February 24, 2011 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747771mytakeMembera mamin
I’m with you on that one, so long as the kid is not “doing more” out of some twisted notion of what “more” is.
There are shtick, and then there’s “more”. The former can drive anyone crazy.
mytakeMemberHealth
“There are a lot incompetent mental health professionals out there -be very careful when choosing one!”
At best they can be a huge waste of time and money, at worst they can really mess your life up.
Be very very very careful.
mytakeMember…and then there are some who display publicly what they shouldn’t
mytakeMemberWho is “someone who knows his stuff”?
Do you have a source for this?
mytakeMemberrebbitzen
Unless you meant that a spouse/parent/friend can substitute the psychologist. In that case, I agree.
mytakeMemberrebbitzen
Huh? I don’t. (and this is after thinking again.)
Please explain why you believe that everyone needs a psychologist.
mytakeMembermikehall
We all use speech, body language and actions to express our emotions. Sometimes it’s outright, and sometimes it’s subtle.
Most people pick it up even when its subtle, although some are more perceptive with these things than others.
mytakeMemberJust a thought…
Couples that choose not to display open physical affection towards each other in front of their kids, can find the sweetest ways to subtly express their affection anyways.
I’m not married yet, btw, but I’ve seen it, and it’s nice seeing how they save most of it for just the two of them.
February 24, 2011 3:24 pm at 3:24 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747767mytakeMemberJam
I can really relate to what you said about Tznius not being taught “right” in (most, if not all) High Schools.
Nobody ever tells you in HS that there IS a time and place for looking “too good to share with the general population”. And that Tznius is not about making you suppress the vanity that Hashem put into us women.
But thank God for Gila Manolson! Her books on Tznius, Dating and Love are amazing! (Outside/Inside, Head to Heart, Choosing To Love, and The Magic Touch)
In it, are all the things about Tznius that you never heard in school, and you owe it to yourself to read it!
(Outside/Inside focuses mainly on Tznius, although she write about it in all her other books as well.)
mytakeMemberBoro Park Girl & Yogibooboo
So you’re using this hot tools ceramic iron, and you say it doesn’t burn your hair? Just curious what texture your hair is naturally-fine, medium, coarse..?
mytakeMemberSorry, you’re right.
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mytakeMemberProfessional
You make it sound like makeup is wrong, period. Is that what you believe?
mytakeMemberRegarding the chosson letters on display: If my chosson will write a letter to me I would never dream of putting up for display! Like Poster said:
“…Just to end off, your relationship with your spouse, which is hopefully as beautiful as you make it sound, is the biggest treasure in the world. Love notes in the open, and openly speaking about personal relationships is CHEAP. Your wife, yourself and the bond btwn you, deserve better.”
Same applies to chosson and kallah notes/letters/poems etc.
My god, I cannot believe this needs to be explained to anyone…
February 23, 2011 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747761mytakeMemberlooking2grow
Although I cannot personally relate to your situation (my mother never gives her opinion on my clothes…)I just wanted to tell you that I think it’s great that you want to improve your tznius, and be sensitive to your mother at the same time.
Hopefully, like some of the previous posts suggest, you will find a way to wear the skirts you feel more comfortable in with your mother’s approval.
I don’t know any of you personally so I cannot offer more specifice advice, but good luck and I hope this works out for both of you!
February 23, 2011 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747758mytakeMembermsseeker
Thanks for posting!
Members: Please continue to post your thoughts/sturggles/triumphs so we can keep this thread going! It’s a tremendous inspiration to so many of us, so KIT!
February 23, 2011 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747753mytakeMemberDRB
Good for you!! Thanks for sharing your victory!! Lots of luck in the future!!
mytakeMemberobservateen
Since when is eyeliner an Issur Doreisa?
If you have a source for this, please post it.
As far as I know the Navi talks about women who painted their eyes excessively with blue eye shadow, not eye liner, which can be applied today as a very fine thin line.
February 22, 2011 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747739mytakeMembera mamin
For heaven’s sake! The guy was just pointing out how it’s true that men cannot understand a woman’s challenges when it comes to Tznius.
He mentioned that his wife has difficulty with the skirt issue even though he told her that it’s not Tznius.
So what exactly are you answering? He never asked for anyone’s advice or opinion.
It’s none of our business.
mytakeMemberyogibooboo
Rav Falk has no objection to housecoats with slits IF you’re only around immediate family. His concern is that a woman will answer the door or welcome guests, in which case the slit is not permitted. What is wrong with that?
Also, he says that eyeliner be applied with moderation (I’m guessing he’s trying to discourage the really thick, trashy look) and he DOES NOT forbid it. But, yes, l’chatchila, it should only be applied moderately.
Regarding the hair- He says its preferable/recommended that the hair not hang loosely if its longer than shoulder-length. This doesn’t mean that you must tie it together completely (pony) and it certainly doesn’t mean that if you feel you can’t commit to that, it’s ossur!
Regarding every topic in the sefer, Rav Falk clearly states the halacha in addition to the recommended practice. Obviously not everyone can follow these recommendation, and certainly not regarding every issue.
I don’t feel I am up to a level where I can follow his sefer to a t, but at least I don’t discredit or misconstrue the whole sefer.
February 22, 2011 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747736mytakeMembera mamin
Like you said, things are never so simple. Besides, it’s none of our business how this guy runs his home.
February 22, 2011 6:56 pm at 6:56 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747730mytakeMembera mamin
Things aren’t always that simple.
mytakeMemberAnd who’s supposed to say it first…but what if he/she/me/you is older…and what if it’s the opposite gender….seriously, guys!
Do whatever your Mommy and Daddy taught u to do when u were three.
February 22, 2011 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747724mytakeMembertalking stam
Ok, I really appreciate you trying to help me out here, but I gotta take issue with one line:
“…Strength to overcome your personal yetzer hara and to dress and act b’tznius with simcha; and perspective to realize that it is not your only mitzvah, it is one of many, and it will not determine the blessings or tragedies that befall the jews…”
Although Tznius is not my only mitzvah, it’s a special challenge (and gift, as we’ve come to learn here on the thread) given to us women. And, you better believe it plays a pretty serious role in determining the blessings and tragedies that befall the Jews.
I appreciate your good intentions in trying to me be mechazek, but downplaying the significance of this Mitzva/Middah aint gonna do it.
mytakeMemberFrom their website…
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February 22, 2011 4:04 pm at 4:04 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747716mytakeMemberAinOhdMilvado
Not exactly….I do have real name, y’know!
February 22, 2011 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747713mytakeMemberbinahyeseirah
Hmmm…y’know you might be onto something about this misrepresentation thing you mentioned…something to think about. Thnx!
February 22, 2011 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747712mytakeMemberThank you everyone for sharing your thoughts (and helping to keep the guys out!) on this issue.
I was thinking about this thread this morning, and it didn’t make my skirts less cute, but at least I was well armed for the battle…
This thread aint no magic wand that makes the short/tight stuff look ugly, but it’s a great inspiration for me.
BTW- My winning argument to myself this morning was: “Mytake, you are not seriously gonna go out looking like this! You look way too good in this to be sharing it with the general population out there! You will save this look for your husband one day (hopefully really soon). Husband, wherever you are,this one’s for you….”
Thank again everyone!
mytakeMemberIf I remember correctly, according to Rav Falk, it may be applied in mild/close-to-natural colors.
February 21, 2011 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747675mytakeMemberHey, everyone! Thank you so much for your posts, although some of them speak to me more than others, I appreciate all of it just the same.
If anyone has anything to offer allong the lines of “What To Tell Yourself When Youre Getting Dressed In The Morning and That Not-Long-Enough-Skirt Is Calling Your Name” I would love hearing from you! (Something like what seeallsides and s2021 posted.)
I am very familiar with the halachos, I just need some encouragement…I’m not strong enough (yet!)to apply my knowledge and JUST DO THE RIGHT THING.
Thanks again!
February 21, 2011 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm in reply to: Women & Girls Out There: I Really, Really Need Your Help!!!! #747666mytakeMemberSorry, popa, I’d rather not. You gotta be a girl to really get it.
February 18, 2011 5:18 pm at 5:18 pm in reply to: How Many Grandchildren Do You Hope To Have? #741927mytakeMemberCome one, Canine, how childish can you get? It’s silly to give numbers.
As many as Hashem is kind enough to give, and that we’re able to handle!
mytakeMemberofcourse
I guess you should try to be Dan L’Kaf Z’chus the women and girls in the shul, because that’s the right thing to do.
Personally, I find it pretty embarrasing that such an incident can take place in a frum shul. It is completely unacceptable.
Where I daven, no girl would have the audacity to sit if there is an older woman standing! And if it’s a pregnant woman, you would find bubbies offering their seat to her!
This better be a one-in-a-million situation….
mytakeMemberI think there’s a book on him (I read it a long time ago, but I can’t remember the title). Maybe “Voice of Truth”…
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