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November 24, 2010 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm in reply to: Modern Orthodoxy, Chassidus, and the Rambam #712162myfriendMember
Rav Elchonon Wasserman zt”l said it was better to stay in war torn Europe, risking ones physical lie, then to accept a VISA to go to YU in America, thereby risking ones spiritual life. Here is the text the letter:
“Baruch Hashem, Erev Shabbos Kodesh Naso
I received your letters but I have no ability to do anything with this, thus I did not respond.
The yeshivos in America which are able to bring over students are the yeshivas of Dr. Revel (named Yeshiva University) in New York and Beis Midrash L’Torah in Chicago and they both are places of danger in terms of spirituality because they conduct themselves in a spirit of freedom, and what benefit is there to flee from a physical danger to a spiritual danger, but I sent your letter to the revered Gaon, Rabbi Moshe Heiman, Dean of Mesivtha Torah V’Daas in Brooklyn and I suggested that he request of the revered Dean of the Mirrer Yeshiva that he should also write to Brooklyn to the address below:
Rabbi Shlomo Heiman
92 Martin Street
America
Blessing you with life and peace and all good things forever,
Elchanan Bunim Wasserman”
myfriendMemberEver wonder where the minhag of giving gifts on Chanukah came from?…seems like it came from a church origin holiday to me.
It came from Christmas; which is why ehrlich yidden follow Yiddish tradition of giving gelt, and not Christian tradition of gifts.
November 24, 2010 3:18 am at 3:18 am in reply to: Jews Were Protected From Assimilation By Being Despised and Uncivilized #712291myfriendMemberRS: I’m afraid you need to voice a public machaah against your own distortions on this issue. The fact that you find charliehall, an admitted extreme (well, he wont admit to the extreme but will everything else) left-wing modern orthodox pseudo-academic, as your backup speaks volumes.
Rav Hirsch did not encourage non-Jewish culture, in fact his policy of austritt was designed specifically to separate culture from education. He also did not send his students to outside colleges, he made his own. And why in the world would anyone consider it a positive thing to spend years learning secular law – and if so for law, why not for MTV trivia? If all knowledge comes from G-d (quote from Norman Lamm) and therefore is worth pursuing then all knowledge that comes from G-d is worth pursuing – why limit your knowledge to what the colleges teach?
Rav Schwab was a world class Talmid Chacham, who knew Rav Hirsch’s writing almost by heart and who also spent a large chunk of his life discussing Rav Hirsch’s shitos with Gedolim from all other spectrums, such as Rav Elchonon, Rav Bloch, the Gerrer Rebbe and others (btw Rav Schwab said that the Gerrer Rebbe suggested not printing Rav Elchonon’s teshuva because of Kovod for Rav Hirsch! – even though he agreed with R. Elchonon l’halachah, the way some things were said he thought it better not made public).
Rav Schwab was also a very, very big Ish Emes. Another thing about him. He once told of a story where he once mentioned something anti-Zionist one Chanukah in his congregation. He told of the harassment that he got apparently from among his own congregation because of it – not a lot – but more than a Rav should. Now it is clear that Rav Hirsch was staunchly anti-Zionist, yet today not everyone in Khal Adas Yeshurun is. Who knows how those members of his Kehilla would interpret Rav Hirsch? I see some disloyalty to Rav Hirsch in Washington Heights, but not from Rav Schwab.
If Rav Hirsch ZTL were here today he would be one of the foremost opponents of MO, just as he opposed assimilationist values into Judaism then. His policy of austritt was a prerequisite to his policy of TIDE. You can see this explained bluntly and clearly by Rav Shimon Schwab ZTL, who of course was the heir to Rav Hirsh as Rav of the TIDE Kehilla, in his book, Selected Essays.
November 24, 2010 1:34 am at 1:34 am in reply to: Jews Were Protected From Assimilation By Being Despised and Uncivilized #712288myfriendMemberRav Hirsch only allowed the amount of secular studies necessary for Jews to be able to understand and influence their neighbors. Plus, he did not allow any secular studies that taught anything against the Torah or that disagreed with the Torah’s values. He also insisted that his students who learn secular studies be very careful and learned in recognizing and rejecting anti-Torah values they may encounter (austritt). This was a condition for secular learning. He also did not allow any integration (assimilation) into the non-Jewish culture. He only wanted his students to be knowledgeable.
There are those who also maintain that Rav Hirsch’s policies were “horaas shaah”, meaning that they were an emergency measure needed for the Jews at that place in that time only, kind of like Pikuach Nefesh, and his intent was not to imply any value at all to secular studies in and of themselves. Others, such as Reb Elchonon Wasserman ZTL say that Rav Hirsch’s original intent was due to the desire to reduce or end anti-Semitism in his country, but the idea later got out of control and people came to value secular knowledge.
The problem with learning secular subjects is that it is prohibited in the Rama 246:4, source in Yerushalmi – reiterated by the Poskim afterwards [Birkas Shmuel Kiddushin #27 p.42 and Kovetz Shiurim II:47 — both in response to a letter Rav Shimon Schwab ZT’L wrote asking for this psak], to learn secular studies as a curriculum. This is either because of Bittul Torah or a denigration of Torah. Rav SR Hirsch was also bound to the Torah and its sages and so he did not argue with this. Whether Rav Hirsch’s opinion is a Horaas Shah is not the issue. The issue is, how much secular studies is sufficient to accomplish what Rav Hirsch said you need secular studies for? In his days, the non-secular studies Jews did not even learn the German language. Today, all Yeshiva students speak English, go to HS (99%), and can function in the world perfectly. There is no need for BA’s or PHD’s to accomplish what was necessary to accomplish in Germany in the days of RSRH. (Even much of the information we learn today in HS is useless both in the real world, (even for Parnassa) as well as the spiritual accomplishments Rav Hirsch was talking about.) This does not make it a Horaas Shah but rather a goal-oriented pursuit, the amount of time, effort, and knowledge needed to fulfill it depending on the time, place, and person in question. Horaas Shah or not, it is not coincidence that Rav SRH’s shitah emerged specifically in the exact time and place where Haskalah was ravaging our community and that secular studies was the weapon of the Apikorsim to seduce the majority of young Jews away from their religion.
November 24, 2010 12:56 am at 12:56 am in reply to: Jews Were Protected From Assimilation By Being Despised and Uncivilized #712287myfriendMembermdd:
Scores and scores of Gedolei Yisroel were produced from the Greater Hungarian lands since the Chasam Sofer’s time there. Only a few handful were produced in Germany since Rav Hirsch zt”l’s time. This is a historical fact, not a debating point. Research how many Rabbonim each produced.
The thing about Rav Hirsch is, that it is no coincidence that his Torah Im Derech Eretz shitah appeared in the exact time and place that was the hotbed of haskalah. That having been said, everyone in the world agrees he was a great tzadik and meant whatever he said leshem shamayim and to be mekarev the people of Germany in his time, and he did an amazing job saving German Jewry from Haskalah.
myfriendMemberHashem’s Son, Simply search the coffee room:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/searching-the-coffee-room
November 23, 2010 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm in reply to: Jews Were Protected From Assimilation By Being Despised and Uncivilized #712283myfriendMembermdd et al,
Why are you addressing me? I have not said a thing on this thread.
All I did, was quote the Chasam Sofer verbatim, without any commentary by myself. Take up all your baale batisha issues with the heilige Chasam Sofer.
myfriendMembermyfriendMemberManhattan zip codes pay half the price of what Brooklyn zip codes (premiums are based on zip code) pay!
myfriendMemberKvitlech.
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myfriendMemberCheck out Costco’s Auto (and Home) insurance plan. It is through Ameriprise (a former division of American Express). Information is available on Costco.com. It may be worth getting a Costco membership ($50/year) JUST for that.
myfriendMemberThe following is a quote from Igros Moshe, authored by Rav Moshe Feinstein zt”l.
??”? ????? ??? ??? ??”? ? ???? ? ?”? ?????
????? ????? – ???????, ??? ????? ???? ?????? ???”? ?”? ???”? ???? ?”?, ???? ????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ?? ???? ????, ?????? ?? ???? ????????, ??? ????? ??? ?? ??? ??????. ??? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ????? – ???????, ?? ????? ????? ?????
Explanation:
Rav Moshe was entertaining the possibility that it would even be forbidden to make a LEGITIMATE Simcha, like a Bar-Mitzvah or Chasunah celebration on Thanksgiving, since it would APPEAR that one is celebrating Thanksgiving!
To THAT Rav Moshe writes that it isn’t forbidden according to the letter of the law, but still a Ba’al Nefesh shouldn’t do so!
Then Rav Moshe continues and writes that celebrating or making a Seudah SPECIFICALLY for Thanksgiving is CERTAINLY FORBIDDEN. (???? ?? ????? ?????)
To summarize:
One is forbidden to celebrate Thanksgiving or make a special Seudah in its honor!
However, to schedule a legitimate Simcha, like a Bar-Mitzvah or Chasunah, on Thanksgiving, is Halachikly permitted but a Ba’al Nefesh shouldn’t do even that, and should rather reschedule his legitimate Simcha for some other day!
Accordingly, it would be forbidden to eat turkey on Thanksgiving.
Because if it is being eaten as a full meal; it is clearly forbidden, since it falls under the category of making a Seudah.
myfriendMemberyechez89 – you’re the guy who was mevaze Rav Yosef B. Soloveitchek, so I won’t be taking any lectures from you. As you said, that makes you what you described. Prof. Broyde is a former pulpit rabbi, current professor at Emory, and anyone with semicha is not Daas Torah. He uses academic methodologies, not halachic ones in his essays.
tzippi – Use any Sunday instead.
myfriendMemberI’m seeing your point. But that doesn’t make your conclusion necessarily correct.
myfriendMemberProfessor Broyde surely makes some interesting academic observations on the matter. But for halachic conclusions, we rely on Rabbonim.
myfriendMember24 hours.
In the service of G-d.
myfriendMemberShtreimel’s, Spodik’s, Kolpik’s usually run between $1,000 and $5,000.
What are the hats Chasidim wear on weekdays called? Satmar’s are called Beaver Hats, but the others have something else I believe.
myfriendMembertuna – If you don’t know what oisvorf means, for crying out loud, you are DEFINITELY no tunabeigel!
myfriendMemberWIY: There is ZERO basis to assert a Kollel yungerman MUST “sacrifice” if he doesn’t have to.
gavra: Huh? Are you kidding? That is no basis for divorce!! If a F-I-L doesn’t want to continue support, there is nothing forcing him — other than his word of honor, if he promised that. But barring any pre-marital commitments he made, he is under no obligation. He is doing it out of his own free will and the goodness of his heart.
myfriendMemberFACT:
Most Chareidi yungerleit are working and not learning full-time. So this business that almost everyone goes into long time learning is a bunch of hogwash.
myfriendMemberkapusta: Who’ya kiddin? Now you’re pretending to be 19?? C’mon, nothin wrong with you shepping nachas from ’em einekelech!
gavra_at_work: How much do you pay for your no-name brand?
myfriendMemberAccording to Google, this is the only webpage on the internet with this song.
November 19, 2010 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm in reply to: You're Celebrating Your First Chanukah As A Married Person #990556myfriendMemberOn Chanukah Yidden give Chanukah Gelt, not Christmas gifts.
myfriendMembersqueak: No posts were deleted. Yesterday the page count increased from 50 to 75, ruining most internal links on the site (unless the original link itself was to page 1 or part of 2).
myfriendMemberThat’s baloney. You can’t make chozek of Yeshiva bochorim or whatever, under the guise of “it isn’t anyone specific”.
myfriendMemberI think the reason squeal hasn’t gotten back to us yet, is because security is still going through their very intrusive procedure, and squeak isn’t taking it to well.
No kilts next time. Too bad the girls don’t have that option.
myfriendMemberIn which case the OP is much worse, if he is making chozek of others.
myfriendMembersqueak:
Go through security in a kilt, refuse the scanner, and let us know the results.
myfriendMemberThe crazy thing is even if you go through the scanner they can insist you go through the intrusive hand pat-down afterwards, if they think they noticed something in the scanner.
And you can’t refuse the pat-down apparently, even if you decide you will cancel your flight they will insist you go through it just to LEAVE the airport. (That’s what they advised the guy who took the recording a few days ago.)
November 19, 2010 4:17 am at 4:17 am in reply to: It May Be Early But Im Hungry For A Doughnut #711603myfriendMemberThe Donut Man
myfriendMemberThis is a Duplicate Thread:
Here is another related one:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/airport-security-and-religous-jews
myfriendMemberEditor, How about a category for “Tefilla / Davening”? There is so many threads on that subject. (Just search the CR for “davening” in the title.) You can even move the old threads into the new category!
myfriendMemberAccording to Ricola’s website:
All of our cough, throat and vitamin C drops are Kosher and are manufactured in Laufen, Switzerland. If a copy of the kosher certificate is needed, please write to [email protected] requesting a certificate and providing us with a fax number or address to forward a copy.
Source:
myfriendMemberkapusta, you can stop pretending to be 18 and be proud of your einekelech!
myfriendMembergavra: Also, where do you purchase it, and what (no-name) brand(s) are they?
Can someone fill in the young and clueless what on heaven’s earth ICOT is mimicking?
myfriendMembergavra: How much do you pay for your no-name brand? (And how long does it typically last?)
myfriendMemberModern Yeshivish wouldn’t be caught dead wearing tzitzis out.
November 18, 2010 9:53 pm at 9:53 pm in reply to: Inviting Non-Jewish Co-Workers To A Simcha? #1144060myfriendMemberThe sons of the Yidden in Germany, Ukraine, etc. where their goyish friends and neighbors turned them into the Nazi’s for extermination, were never born to relay to us what the goyim did to them.
myfriendMemberWhat’s the lowest cost Bosralino? And what’s the lowest cost non-Borsalino black fedora hat?
myfriendMemberemc2: Here is the thread:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/your-thoughts-on-me-and-my-background-help
myfriendMemberThe Mishna mentions every custom of the time?
myfriendMemberWIY – I was curious. I am lower mid too (possibly but not necessarily within the same decade.)
myfriendMemberI don’t know if you can change it back, but until some months ago whenever a new topic was started the poster was forced to choose a category. Now it defaults to “Decaffeinated” unless the poster changes it to a different category. The old way was better, since it didn’t have a default and forced the poster to choose something.
myfriendMembermsseeker took 96, so I guess Ender is 97 and I’ll take 98.
November 17, 2010 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm in reply to: Did You Know You Can EDIT Your Comments After Posting Them? #713558myfriendMemberd a, the edit button doesn’t go away until its 25 minutes, regardless whether the post was approved or not. If the post was already approved, it will become unapproved until a mod re-approves the edited post.
myfriendMemberYou can also change your password here, surprisingly it seems quite a few people didn’t know.
November 17, 2010 9:39 pm at 9:39 pm in reply to: Did You Know You Can EDIT Your Comments After Posting Them? #713554myfriendMemberWIY, If it lasted 60 minutes instead of 25, it would make no appreciable difference in how long it took posts to be approved.
November 17, 2010 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm in reply to: Inviting Non-Jewish Co-Workers To A Simcha? #1144021myfriendMemberLMA, I cited the Igros Moshe, and Rav Moshe said you *cannot* enter a treif restaurant. See Rav Belsky’s comment on the IM.
apy, You wrote you attended a party at a non-kosher restaurant. That itself is maris ayin.
That’s my last post addressing this point for the umpteenth time due to your willful blindness. Feel free to have the last word, or 10 posts, repeating yourself.
myfriendMemberObviously bomb sees no problem with someone building the most ostentatious house on the block, with everything sticking out to make sure everyone passing, and all the neighbors, take notice.
November 17, 2010 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm in reply to: Did You Know You Can EDIT Your Comments After Posting Them? #713550myfriendMemberIt’s only there for about 25 minutes after posting.
Maybe the mods can increase it a little, since I noticed if you edit your comment it goes back into the unapproved posts for a mod, even if it was already approved.
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