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I’ve been following this conversation with quite some amusement, and one thing I can say is that my belief in chazals wisdom in exhorting women not to learn (except for applicable HALACHA) has exponentially increased.@Menachem
I’m not exactly sure where you saw in my response that I was offended, the fact that your behavior was rightfully called out doesn’t mean that I took any offense from your comment, I have no affiliation with ponevezh or it’s communities and I was responding as a member of Klal Yisroel who thought that your maligning a group of Jews on a public forum for selfish reasons was pretty disgusting.
And as far as your reasoning that you were trying to bring out that it’s not Lubavitch that was at fault, and every community has some misbehaving youth, your original post was on the article that was very clear that it didn’t have any issue with Lubavitch per se, and that those boys were in no way representative of the greater community, and despite that you felt a need, just in case it would somehow be misconstrued as a chillul Lubavitch, to immediately show how other Jews have the same problem. Additionally, your total lack of respect of people other than your own was shown again shortly afterwards, when you were rightfully criticizing the editors description of these boys as terrorists, you decided to describe the yerushalmi protesters as animals. While I agree their actions might not be correct, your callousness in refering to your fellow Jews is disgusting.@ Menachem
Getting back to your original question, you definitely have a valid point that giving the impression that Jews have to much control over these institutions might lead to consequences far worse then letting her retain her job. However, that being said it has to be taken in to consideration that it might be a true sakana to have had her in this position without any consequences for her obvious indifference to anti-Semitism, and a decision would have to be made by true daas torah. Either way, over here I see the obvious divine intervention that in the end she was let go due to the plagiarism, so that while the Jew hatred also played a role, it didn’t seem as he the Jews had to much overt control.@ Menachem
If a fellow lit your house on fire, and then had a change of heart and tried to extinguish it, and in the process his life is endangered and your survival is dependent on his, you would pray for him or just for yourself?
Point being, the reason why you would pray for them specifically over just praying that you be saved is because you feel indebted to them for what they’re doing. In this case, when they’re just cleaning up their own mess, we don’t owe them anything.
(Understandably, this only refers to the Zionist army as an institution, if one knows a soldier and would like to pray for him, such behavior is definitely warranted.)@ Yankel berel
Why do you think the future will be different. My point was simple, the threats to Jewish life are much greater in the state of Israel, and I don’t see any signs that those threats will abate in the future. And additionally, if anti-Semitism in America ch”v grew to the point that it was a serious danger to Jewish life, at that point presumably one could assume that the American government will cease its support for the shnoror state of Israel, which is a death sentence for the state and all it’s residents ch”v, Hashem Yishmor.And if America turns against the Jews you think Israel will last more then one day? The bottom line is that one thing we should have learnt from the past ten weeks is that Hashem only can protect us, and our time would be best spent trying to fulfil his will, and as far as hishtadlus is concerned, the argument that the state of Israel- which has both a government and enemies that have no regard for Jewish lives- is safer, is simply factually incorrect. Just look at how many Jews have been killed in Israel because of their Jewish identity in the past century over the USA, and that should put that argument to rest.
Than you someday.
Just one disclaimer that you forgot to add- that whether or not the state of Israel has control over Gaza has nothing to do with hashems promise to the Jewish people that it belongs to themThe rearm why people are making such a big deal is pretty clear. Because it reminds them that the true Torah hashkafa is not to go and of course it eats them up to on end