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Have there been conspiracy theories that turned out to be true?
There probably is one somewhere (depending on how far you’re willing to stretch the term “conspiracy theory). But the overwhelming majority of them indeed ended up being wrong. This is not surprising, seeing as most conspiracy theories are made up based solely on an over-active imagination and the unshakable assumption that any and all professionals are always lying, with little regard for things like facts, statistics, logic, and common sense.
Showing appreciation for those who learn Torah and keep the world going is not an aveirah, either. And neither is talking respectfully to somebody you disagree with.
Why was this thread unearthed?
nisht, R’ Shteinman was indeed in favor of Chareidim who aren’t learning well serving in the IDF if they could do so in an environment that would allow them to mantain their Chareidi lifestyle and practices. This was the idea behind Nachal Chareidi. However, when it became apparent that NAchal Chareidi was not Chareidi-friendly, R’ Shteinman stopped supporting bochrim going there.
Wahl’s peanut trimmer is muttar even according to the Chazon Ish, who assurs shavers.
Sam2, do you find the Gemara’s statement to be offensive? If not, why is mik5’s comment any different?
51 minutes ago, DY’s subtitle read “Joseph?”
?? ??? ????? ?????, indeed.
Personally I’m torn between voting for Gary Johnson, writing in Paul Ryan, or fleeing the country.
This may be the all-time strangest thread I’ve seen on the CR. And that’s saying alot.
DaMoshe, still lurking in the shadows?
I do not think there is very much loshon hara in the CR, especially considering that we are all anonymous here. But moshav letzim can indeed be a problem, as is bizuy Talmidei Chahamim and hurtful speech.
But then again, these issues come up whenever and wherever there are JEws talking…
Im am not at all trying to justify the posting of pictures of people violating Halacha; but if you see pictures that bother you on a particular website, the most obvious response is to stop looking at that website.
Let’s remember who’s really protecting who here…
how about this for feivel:
“Health!’s English Teacher”
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/decorum-in-shul#post-609462
Not a bad idea, considering…
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-end-of-the-world
Yeah, maybe mod-42 can think of a way of getting those two jerks arrested…
Well now that Mitt Romney and Bil Kristol have given up recruiting a third-party, old-time Republican bid for the White House, the only third party candidate I know of is Gary Johnson… Which may not be such a bad idea, considering the poor excuses for Presidential Candidates the two major parties have dredged up…
Or, we could always go for the write-in…
gofish:
Banning isn’t working. The internet is a keli with so many functions – both good and bad – and a completely different animal than historic challenges.
Meh. The same speech could have been given about TV thirty years ago.
Instead of chasing after an endless cycle of banning, banning new things, banning newer things, which rov am isn’t listening to anyway – how about teaching about boundaries? And how to use technology appropriately as mentchen?
I have some shocking news – most (litvishe) Rabbonim *aren’t* issuing blanket bans on the internet. They are stressing the absolute necessity of having a filter, and of making sure one’s life and the lives of one’s children are not taken over by empty nonsense.
dovrosenbaum:
If a person wants to access inappropriate images, or speak lashon hara, they’ll find ways to do it, phone or no phone.
I think it is imperative to take a little bit of a more nuanced view on this particular subject. Most people are neither a tzaddik gamur nor a rasha gamur; so to speak of people who always, without exception, do or don’t want to do aveiros is far-fetched at best. Most people try to what is right, but if they find themselves in a situation where they are faced with a significant enough temptation (everyone on their level), they will succumb to it. This is why Chazal set up various gedarim (in particular with regards to arayos, which the Gemara tells us “nafsho shel adam mechamdasam, the nature of a person strongly desires”) to ensure that a person does not end up in a situation of overwhelming temptation; the issurim of yichud, harchakos niddah, and kol bi’isha erva in particular come to mind. We try to avoid putting ourselves in situations of temptation and nisayon as much as possible; I don’t see why here should be any different.
feivel:
Yosi. Wait. I must be very dense today.
It appears to me you are saying essentially:
I have reliable sources that tell me they heard directly from Rav Moshe’s son that Rav Moshe actually held directly opposite to how he poskened in his seforim. That he wrote these false psakim so that he wouldn’t be criticized.
And that you believe your reliable sources that this is (or is even remotely possible)the truth.
Are you saying this??
Yes, very important. I’m surprised Rav Moshe didn’t think of this.
That’s why I shake hands with women. In certain situations I have no choice but to hug them also.
I also frequently eat at my goyish neighbor’s house. I don’t want them to think I’m some kind of nut case. Even worse they might be insulted. And we all know that is against The Torah!
I suppose I could figure out some way to explain to women why I can’t shake their hand; or explain to my neighbor why I can’t eat his food. But nah, they still might think I’m lacking Derech eretz.
Besides bacon is delicious.
+1
Avi K, the Rambam says “all” to exclude all of the exceptions that he just listed (in that very Halacha) that apply to a milchemes reshus.
As for the talmid chacham in Shulchan Aruch, that refers to someone who is on the level of Torato omanuto. No Internet, no newspapers, no radio, no chazzanut concerts, no talking about politics or the weather. Only learning (although some say that he can work in order to earn a subsistence income).
True. But the Shulchan Oruch Y”D 246:18 paskens that learning Torah takes precedence over any mitzva that can be done by somebody else, and does not specify that this only applies to a Talmid Chacham.
…and BTW, the Rambam in Melachim u’Melchamos 7:4 does not specify that a Talmid Chacham is obligated to go to milchemes mitzva, only that those who are normally pattur from a milchemes reshus (such as a chosson, somebody who just bought a field, or somebody who’s just scared) are.
Therefore, this Rambam does not contradict the one in Hilchos Talmud Torah 6:10 that says that a Talmid Chacham is pattur from contributing towards the city’s defense, as does the Shulchan Oruch I quoted in the previous post (who adds that the reason is because their Torah protects).
Avi K:
The Shulchan Oruch makes no such distinction. See Y”D 243:2 that Talmeidi Chachomim are not obligated to contribute towards defense efforts, and 246:18 that learning Torah takes precedence over any mitzva that can be done by somebody else.
Sam2:
One is that it’s a Nes that involved the Hatzalah of Klal Yisrael, which necessitates Hallel Mid’rabannan (Gemara in Pesachim)
The second is that there is a Chiyuv (possibly Min HaTorah) to say Hallel for a Nes that leads to the Binyan Beis Hamikdash
Even if I were to accept the premise of these arguments, IMHO they raise more questions than they answer. Off the top of my head – Why can’t the same be said of the Yom Kippur War? And why would these arguments be applicable to any day besides 5 Iyar?
What I never got is how we can say that recorded music is a kli shiur, and therefore assur during sefira, but still say that it constitutes kol isha… What is it, a kli or a person?
Sam2:
What would the Halachic argument be for saying hallel (with a bracha; without a bracha its just Tehillim)? And as MDG pointed out, if we were to celebrate anything, it should be the end of the war, not the beginning…
Also, even if there would be a convincing Halachic justification, then how can anyone use that reasoning for days other then 5 Iyar itself?
I have heard that the Zilbermans (among others) believe the Kol HaTor to be a forgery.
The phenomena of people who, as R’ Ahron Feldman put it, “are observant, but not quite religious.” Commonly know as Frum By Route.
Yes, I figured. But I find the joke to be in bad taste; I don’t like the suggestion that we should allow non-observant individuals to influence how we practice our religion, even as a joke.
Ben Gurion’s minhag was no tallis and teffilin, no shachris, and no God. Not a minhag I would suggest following…
Sam2:
Did you mean to address that to me? Because I can’t see what all that has to do with the (fairly minor) points that I raised…
I think everybody should sit down and figure out what it is they they would/do use WhatsApp for. If the majority of time is spent doing productive things (Torah/Chessed/business), beautiful. If the majority of time is spent on at best wasting time, at worst loshon hara, bizuy Talmidei Chachomim, and abizraya di’Arayos, then you have a serious problem…
(And honestly, which group of people do you think is bigger?)
simcha613:
So you think the State of Israel should not be blamed for acts of antisemitism, since antisemitism has always existed, but it should be given credit for Jews learning Torah, even though Jews have always been learning Torah?
And yes, I acknowledge that the State was started with the intention to uproot Torach ch”v. And I can proudly and happily say, THEY FAILED! HODU LASHEM KI TOV KI LA’OLAM CHASDO!
Say, there’s a thought. The anti-Zionists should celebrate Yom Hatzmaut because “they tried to destroy, us, they failed, let’s eat!”
SL:
it was a direct response to an accusation
I don’t see how that justifies “picking on posters instead of posts”. If somebody accuses you of something, does that allow you to attack him personally?
And btw, what exactly did Joseph “accuse” you of?
so sorry buddy, picking on posters instead of posts is your MO, not mine.
Isn’t this comment, in of itself, picking on posters instead of posts?
Sam2:
R’ Akiva was hoping that when the opportunity came, he would be able to fulfill this Mitzvah.
I think it was more than that… If I remember correctly, it was “all my life I have been pained by this passuk; when will I be able to fulfill it?”
Also, the Gemara doesn’t say he Davened for it, just that he hoped for it to come. We don’t Daven for death… And it is certainly disgusting to say that someone died because of the Chafetz Chaim’s Tefillos.
True, R’ Akiva did not daven for death, and I’m pretty sure the Chofetz Chaim didn’t either. But as DY pointed out, it could very well be that the CC davened that he would die al Kiddush Hashem when it was his time to go.