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I had always assumed that when Satmar talks about “zionist apikursos” they were referring to secular zionism, which is by definition apikursos.
Then again, I do not claim to know the Satmar shittah very well.
mw13ParticipantI don’t think the Palestinian terrorists get too much aid or comfort from a handful of lunatics waving their flag.
Maybe if we stopped giving them so much attention these whackjobs would find something else to do.
September 21, 2016 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm in reply to: Why Rabbaonim in Israel and America SILENT when Frum Soldiers Screamed At #1184288mw13ParticipantThere are indeed Rabbonim that have come out against these hooligans – I seem to remember R’ Gershon Edelstein coming out with a particularly sharp statement to that effect.
But the reason that most Rabbonim don’t condemn this is the same reason most Rabbonim don’t bother to condemn people driving on Shabbos in Tel Aviv – because it will have exactly zero effect (as georgie613 nicely pointed out).
takahmamash:
Doesn’t hating on “the super frum neighborhoods of Yerushalayim” also make one “not so frum”?
September 18, 2016 11:15 am at 11:15 am in reply to: Take the TV out of the Restaurant or we will shut you down #1181001mw13ParticipantOh please – much ado about nothing. The fact that some people in monsey will boycott a sports bar should not be shocking to anybody. Comparisons to thugs and (of all things) the Taliban are simply ridiculous. Methinks these comparisons are far more indicative of the hate of those making them.
Any thoughts on the “halachic perspective” of comparing frum Jews you disagree with to murderous terrorists?
mw13ParticipantBest answer award goes to huju:
Trump is thinking?
Touche.
mw13Participant“Originality is the fine art of remembering what you hear but forgetting where you heard it.”
– Laurence J. Peter
mw13ParticipantHealth!:
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to you too.
mw13ParticipantHealth!:
Why do some people vote DemonCrat, no matter what?!?
For the same reason that some people vote Republican, no matter what. Namely, because it’s far easier to be a partisan hack, yelling, screaming, and calling people names, than to calmly and rationally think through actual issues.
mw13ParticipantSam2:
I have been told that R’ Schachter and many others are Meikel using a Goy to push the elevator if there is a significant number of stairs. The logic is that it’s a Shvus (Amira L’akum) Dishvus (electricity) BeMakom Oneg Shabbos
Interesting. I had always thought (based mostly on hearsay, not actual sources) that the consensus of the Poskim followed the psak pf the Chazon Ish and R’ Shlomo Zalman, who held electricity to be a problem midi’Oraysa.
mw13ParticipantMod-29:
And your source for the pre-shooting conversation is the woman who posted the video?
Mostly it’s from the officer saying on video “I told him not move!” But yeah, some of it is from her (like that there were four shots fired). Not that I’m taking this as Torah MiSinai, just that this is how the story is currently being told – it may very well change.
Health!:
You jumped the gun because you’re obviously a liberal that’s trying very hard to be PC!
I’m disappointed – your opening salvo of insults is usually better than that. But I guess you were spent from the effort of painting Trump as a loving unifier 😉
But anyway, nothing in any of your rants explains how this incident shows why it wasn’t a good idea to have an African American President! Which, I will repeat, has clear racist undertones; I’m somewhat disappointed that the mods haven’t deleted that comment.
mw13ParticipantWas letting Jews vote a mistake?
(Just an innocent question.)
mw13ParticipantSam2:
Funny, I thought the exact opposite. In Louisiana, two officers were in middle of a struggle with a black man that somebody had reported was brandishing a gun; it is somewhat understandable why the officers would feel threatened.
But in Minnesota, the preliminary reports seem to show a different picture. This guy was sitting in his car after being pulled over for a busted taillight, and the officer asked him for his license and registration. While reaching for his license, as the officer had told him to, he mentioned that he had a firearm. (Which was probably not the best timing for that statement.) The officer responded by firing four shots while screaming “Don’t move!” Now, the devil here is in the details about whether the officer yelled “Don’t move!” first or shot first. But either way, I don’t think the officer should have felt a need fire in this case, certainly seeing as he had just instructed this man to take out his license.
Now, I don’t think that there is any evidence that racism played a role here; but it does seem that these cops were a little too trigger-happy on what should have been a routine traffic stop.
mw13ParticipantHealth!:
Now you know why it wasn’t a good idea to have an African American President!
Perhaps the name of this thread should be changed to just “Possible Racism”.
Mods, what are the rules here about censoring insinuations of racism?
mw13ParticipantJoseph:
My primary point is to push back against the immediate blame-the-police mentality of these protesters.
Perhaps you should focus less on “pushing back against” mindsets you disagree with and focus more on the facts. There is no evidence that the man shot was a criminal, and certainly no evidence that he was currently engaged in any criminal activity, forget about criminal activity that would warrant being shot to death.
mw13ParticipantBDE. May her pure soul be a mealitz yosher for her family and for all of Klal Yisroel, ??? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ???????? ??.
mw13ParticipantTrump’s Saddam praise earns bipartisan scorn
By Nick Gass
Donald Trump has been lamenting the death of Saddam Hussein for months. On Tuesday, in yet another sign that the general election is less hospitable territory than the Republican primary, his repeated praise of the late Iraqi dictator finally caught up with him.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign tore into his latest comments, portraying them as only the latest instance of the Manhattan businessman cozying up to tyrants.
House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), who spent part of his morning condemning the Trump campaign’s handling of a social media post he denounced as anti-Semitic, was unequivocal in denouncing the Saddam remarks as well.
mw13ParticipantWherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must – at that moment – become the center of the universe.
-Elie Wiesel
mw13ParticipantIndifference, to me, is the epitome of evil.
-Elie Wiesel
mw13ParticipantThere may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest.
-Elie Wiesel
mw13ParticipantBrent Scowcroft, who was national security adviser to two Republican U.S. presidents, on Wednesday endorsed Democrat Hillary Clinton for president over Donald Trump, in a snub of the Republican Party’s likely nominee by a prominent member of its security wing.
He joined a number of well-known Republicans defecting due to the prospect of a Trump presidency, including Richard Armitage, deputy secretary of state under President George W. Bush.
Armitage gave Clinton, 68, who was secretary of state under Democratic President Barack Obama, his backing last week. Trump “doesn’t appear to be a Republican, he doesn’t appear to want to learn about issues. So, I’m going to vote for Mrs. Clinton,” Armitage told Politico at the time.
The Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Scowcroft’s endorsement of Clinton.
Trump, 70, who has never held elected office, often boasts on the campaign trail his relative newness to politics, appealing to voters disillusioned by the current political climate.
Despite that facet of his appeal – which helped Trump beat 16 rivals in the campaign’s primary phase to become his party’s presumptive nominee – establishment Republicans worry that his inexperience and brash style will alienate foreign allies and other international partners.
“Secretary Clinton shares my belief that America must remain the world’s indispensable leader,” Scowcroft said. “She understands that our leadership and engagement beyond our borders makes the world, and therefore the United States, more secure and prosperous.”
mw13ParticipantI define Hareidi as what it means in its most common usage: anybody and everybody who wears a fedora. Hence, I think the Hareidi movement began in the 1880/90s witht the advent of the fedora, eventually grew to include almost all of the western world, and drastically shrunk in the late 1900s to include just a couple of Ultra-Orthodox Jews, mostly in New York and Israel.
As a matter of fact, every time I take off my hat after Mincha, there is one less Hareidi in the statistics.
mw13ParticipantJuly 1, 2016 4:45 am at 4:45 am in reply to: Are the Agudah and Rabbinical Council of America Connected? #1157890mw13ParticipantWhether one considers “Hareidism” to be a movement or not is very much dependent on how one defines “Hareidism”.
But I’m curious if any of those who believe “Hareidism” is indeed a “modern phenomenon” can name any of the founders of this new movement, and how their beliefs differed from those of their teachers.
mw13ParticipantTo quote (or perhaps paraphrase) R’ Ahron Feldman: “One argues with Chazal is not a heretic, just an arrogant fool.” I think the ame can be said about most people today arguing with the Rishonim and Achronim.
mw13ParticipantThe Thesaurus Problem
I used to think that Hitlerism and Fascism could never find a home in America because, unlike Germany, America does not have a history of aggression and militarism. But with the dehumanizing elements of society now crawling out from under the rocks and being legitimized, one can no longer be sanguine. Ten million people have voted for him in the primaries. Not all of them are noxious, but millions clearly are.
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mw13ParticipantSam2:
The rule of Lo BaShamayim Hi still applies. Eliyahu HaNavi can’t answer those questions.
Part of the inspiration for this thread was that I recently saw a great piece from R’ Gershon Zaks (grandson of the Chofetz Chaim and talmid of the Brisker Rov) on Eliyahu HaNavi that dealt with that very issue.
R’ Gershon Zaks brought down a maamar Chazal that says Eliyahu HaNavi will come primarily to end all machlokesim, and explains that Eliyahu HaNavi is uniquely suited to accomplish this task because he has two different methods at his disposal. Since he is a Navi, he can ascertain the metziyus through nevauh (such as who an avaidah belongs to); and since he was one of the links of the transmission of the Torah (listed in the Rambam’s famous shalsheles hamesorah), he can explain Torah She’Baal Peh as it was originally given and understood.
Also, I would add that since Eliyahu HaNavi is still alive, he can come to us before techiyas ha’maysim.
I also always thought that Teiku standing for “Tishbi Yavo” is a cute mnemonic, but R’ Gershon Zaks brought down a legitimate source for this idea. I forgot who it was from, but DY seems to have found other legitimate sources as well…
mw13ParticipantHealth!:
I’m sorry to be the one to inform you of this shocking and unnerving issue, but you seem to have (accidentally, undoubtedly) ended one of your comments on this thread with just a plain ol’ period. Perhaps you should attempt to compensate for this shocking mistake by adding some more exclamation points to your future posts.
mw13ParticipantWealth certainly does not equate with happiness – you’re totally barking up the wrong tree. What you should be discussing is http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/alcohol
June 22, 2016 4:58 am at 4:58 am in reply to: Creating inclusive Orthodox communties for Orthodox Recalcitrant Husbands #1156837mw13ParticipantJoseph, we can’t only promote acceptance for those ORH currently in violation of Halacha; that would be discriminatory.
Anyway, methinks you’re just trying to bring this plan to fruition:
mw13ParticipantIs making kids eat vegetables child abuse?
mw13Participantborrowing a smartphone comes with a heavy cost in Olam Habah.
So that’s what you’re really getting at here…
mw13Participantby age 18
Whatever makes you think that anybody should be going to the army at age 18?
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mw13ParticipantFrom RCP:
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[there must be] a process to challenge that determination in court.”mw13Participantbump
June 16, 2016 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm in reply to: Shaking hands with the opposite gender, in Israel #1155532mw13ParticipantAiMD:
We don’t know what anIsraeliYid’s psak was, so there’s no way to comment one way or the other whether it was in accordance with Rav Belsky’s “normal” psak or not. In fairness to your assumption, anIsraeliYid does seem to be making a strongly implied juxtaposition, but he softens it with a parenthetical statement.
I had thought that aIY had said that he got a psak that he could shake a woman’s hand in certain situations. However, looking back at the thread more carefully, I see that this was never clearly stated.
Mod-29:
That is an inappropriate leap, and your desire to defend Joseph should not blind you to accuracy at someone else’s expense.
I assure you that I have no blind loyalty to Joseph – I would have thought that to be obvious to anybody who follows this forum. But what does irk me to no end is when people follow a psak that is mere hearsay, often taken out of context, and usually distorted, broken-telephone style, by the many transmissions. This especially irks me when this hearsay psak that Rabbbi X may or may not have ever said explicitly contradicts a written psak that that same Rabbi wrote down for posterity. We just had this not too long ago with R’ Moshe, where somebody on this forum quoted a hearsay psak in the name of R’ Moshe that was clearly the opposite of what R’ Moshe paskened in Igros Moshe.
So I commend aIY for not causing one of these situations, and I apologize for the misunderstanding.
And BTW Mod-29, while we’re throwing around the term, I think it’s a bit presumptuous of you to assume that I am motivated by a desire to defend Joseph, and that that is what caused me to misunderstand aIY.
Sorry, it’s a recurring theme. And actions speak louder than words.
Maybe you’re in denial.
June 15, 2016 9:35 am at 9:35 am in reply to: Shaking hands with the opposite gender, in Israel #1155527mw13ParticipantOh come on. Joseph was citing a Sefer that quoted a Psak from R’ Belsky that seems to be the exact opposite of the one aIY says he got from R’ Belsky. That’s quite a fair point – no need for insults.
Even if aIY did indeed get this psak from R’ Belsky (nothing personal, aIY – I just take everything I read on an anonymous internet forum with a grain of salt), it should be clear that this was an exception to R’ Belsky’s normal psak on the issue.
Joseph, can you cite the page number?
mw13ParticipantOK, I think this conversation has officially lost its forward momentum. I just don’t have the patience to keep responding to the reposting of points that have been conclusively disproven, or svaaros that all of the Poskim clearly disregard.
DY & I have brought R’ Kook, R’ Tzvi Pesach Frank, R’ Moshe Feinstein, and the Tzitz Eliezer explicitly paskening that Yeshiva Bochrim should not join the IDF. The Chazon Ish and the Steipler Gaon can be added to that list as well. You have brought no Poskim of similar stature that argue.
The conclusion here should be obvious.
mw13ParticipantSo ban the internet. Should be easier than rounding up all the Muslims.
mw13ParticipantA brief (mo-29, just for you;) snippet from:
Trump’s terrorism address, fact-checked
By Louis Nelson
Donald Trump sharply criticized Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama on Monday, saying their incompetent immigration and national security policies allowed attacks like the mass killing in Orlando and claiming that, barring a change in course, terrorists would leave Americans “without our country.”
But while some of Trump’s statements were accurate, many were based on a stretch of, or outright disregard for, the facts at hand.
Trump’s most prominent stretch is linking the attack to immigration, given that the shooter, Omar Mateen, was a native-born U.S. citizen. Even if one stretches blame to the decision to allow Mateen’s parents to enter the U.S., that was decades before Obama took office or Clinton held her post at the head of the State Department.
Trump’s flirtation with fiction went further Monday. Here’s what he said in his address that passes factual muster, and what falls short.
No gray area here: Omar Mateen was born in New York City 29 years ago.
mw13ParticipantAvi K/DY:
See Igros Moshe YD 4:36:4 that says that the Rambam would allow taking money for Torah today:
http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=922&st=&pgnum=268
Also, it should be noted that the Rambam was never against being supported by an individual, only the general public. The Rambam himself was supported for many years by his brother, who was a successful merchant, until his brother was lost at sea.
mw13ParticipantYeah, if he could travel back in time. But I think even Trump hasn’t (yet) claimed to be able to do that.
mw13ParticipantAvi K:
The Rambam clearly writes in his introduction to the Sefer HaMitzvos that no korbanos, misas beis din, or wars are to be carried out without the Beis HaMikdosh. And that’s even if you’re not gores the line ?? ????? ???? ?? ????? ????. I’m not sure how you think this can be circumvented…
Also, can you quote the loshon of the Ramban, Ran, and Netziv? I don’t currently have any access to them.
Asfor Rav Moshe’s teshuva, with all due respect he is a daat yachid.
Who exactly are this majority of Poskim that R’ Moshe is supposedly arguing with?
(Again, just because somebody mentions that participating in the wars of the State of Israel is a mitzva does not mean that the war itself has the status of Milchemes Mitzva.)
It is also very puzzling as Rabbi Akiva and his colleagues supported Bar Kochba.
Supporting a war is not the same thing as holding that that particular war has the halachic status of a Milchemes Mitzva. According to you, R’ Akiva should have instructed his talmidim to go fight under Bar Kochva.
But all this about whether or not there is a Milchemes Mitzva today is very much a side point. The gist of the issue, which you have not addressed, is:
So tell me, are there any Poskim that we would normally consider to be a Bar Plugta of the likes of R’ Kook, R’ Tzvi Pesach Frank, R’ Moshe, and the Tzitz Eliezer, that actully pasken that yeshiva bochrim should be drafted?
mw13Participant147, Trump has only (so far) suggested banning Muslims from entering the country; but the Orlando terrorist was born and bred here in the US, so Trump’s plans wouldn’t have stopped him anyways.
mw13ParticipantHey, how does Joseph have two different subtitles simultaneously?
mw13ParticipantAvi K:
The requirement for a Sanhedrin and Navi only refers to milchemet reshut not a milchemet mitzva (Ramban, Hilchot Melachim 5:2
You are confusing two separate issues. The Rambam clearly writes in his introduction to the Sefer HaMitzvos that no korbanos, misas beis din, or wars are to be carried out without the Beis HaMikdosh:
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A cursory glance at the Rambam that you referenced shows that he is only discussing when the King needs the permission of the Sanhedrin to declare war; but both must be established for any war at all to be declared.
I will also point out again that Rashi says in Eirevin 17a, Sanhedrin 2a, and Sotah 44b that all wars after the wars of Yehoshua are not considered Milchemes Mitzva.
Also see the Igros Moshe I previously cited (CM 2:78):
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One can argue whether R’ Moshe holds like the Rambam or like Rashi, but either way it’s clear he does not hold the concept of Milchemes Mitzva is aplicable today.
(BTW, just because somebody mentions that particapting in the wars of the State of Israel is a mitzva does not mean that the war itself has the status of Milchemes Mitzva.)
On a seperate note, the Tzitz Eleizer in his sefer Hilchos Medinah (linked to by DY) says that Talmidei Chachomim, like Shevet Levi, should not be drafted into combat even in a Milchemes Mitzva, unless the war will be lost otherwise. However, in the case of a Milchemes Reshus he says the state must retreat and cancel the military campaign rather than draft Talmidei Chachomim. He brings a proof to this from two Gemaros, one in Sota 10a that says Asa lost his legs because he drafted Talmidei Chachomim, and the other in Nedarim 32 that says Avraham Avinu was punished for waging war with Talmidei Chachomim.
Then he brings down that R’ Kook proved from those same Gemaros that a Talmid Chachom is pattur even from Milchemes Mitzva.
Finally, I think it is rather ironic that you are trying to prove your point by quoting R’ Kook, the Tzitz Eliezer, and R’ Ovadya Yosef, who were all clearly and vehemently opposed to the very idea that you are attempting to advance, namely drafting yeshiva bochrim into the Israeli army.
So tell me, are there any Poskim that we would normally consider to be a Bar Plugta of the likes of R’ Kook, R’ Tzvi Pesach Frank, R’ Moshe, and the Tzitz Eliezer, that actully pasken that yeshiva bochrim should be drafted?
mw13ParticipantLike I said, with many people if you even hint about trimming hair before a boy is three, they look at you like you’re eating chazer.
Never happened to me. But even if it had, I can’t imagine I’d be as bothered as you seem.
If your problem is with spending thousands of dollars on ridiculous things, you should be commenting on http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/materialism-in-the-frum-world.
If your problem is with going to Meron in Lag Bi’Omer, see http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/421597/hagaon-harav-chaim-kanievsky-comments-on-travel-to-meron-for-lag-baomer.html#sthash.GXFD8j39.dpuf.
mw13ParticipantYserbius, if it means so much to you to cut your kid’s hair before he turns three, go for it. But I hope you can find something more productive to do with your time than harp on a harmless, if recent, custom.
And as I pointed out in my previous post, there is also no ancient source for reading the news, playing rummikub, or the Israel day parade.
mw13ParticipantI hear that some people think Wednesdays in June are Find Fault in Other People Day…
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