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Sam there is no question that you are a non Jewish music listener in which case this argument is useless – you will never understand until after you realize whats wrong with non Jewish music.
musicaldignityMemberWe are Jews and we are supposed to keeping to ourselves and not sticking ourselves into the face of the Goyim. Nothing good can come out of this – only bad.
(This is of course besides the point that frum children and others are being introduced to a TV show full of the low culture of today that they would have never been introduced before)
musicaldignityMemberThis is very simple.
For those who listen and think non Jewish music is acceptable – Matisyahu will always be ok
For those who do not listen to non Jewish music and want a Jewish Ta’am to their music – Matisyahu will never be ok
Nothing has changed, this is not about whether he is wearing a yarmulka or not. His music has no Jewish feeling to it just as so many other “jewish” productions today.
Hatzlacha
musicaldignityMemberDo you know whom in particular backs up that heter?
musicaldignityMemberi think its amazing how all you guys know her…i just spoke to her a few days ago and she told me about the book she is writing, sound really interesting. She is extremely appealing to the teenage audience who need someone to identify with. She is not one of those types who seems out of touch with what she is speaking about. I wish her the best of luck in the future!
musicaldignityMemberultimate – when did you you hear her speak?
musicaldignityMemberAlti is the best:) Good friend of mine
musicaldignityMemberi believe the expression is: play by Ear
musicaldignityMemberI actually wasn’t there! I had a wedding that night and I had to leave early! But my friend said it lasted half a minute and it was a joke:)
musicaldignityMemberWhoah this is NOT what I had in mind for this post. Us teens are getting a great education here:)
musicaldignityMemberPopa you are not being very reassuring
musicaldignityMemberRabbi Avigdor Miller said in response to a question that one who smokes does not deserve a shidduch.
musicaldignityMemberPopa I dont know how old you are but for teenage girls who had one or two blood tests in their life (some of them none) and if they did it was maybe one or two vials. What I am the most nervous about is the unknown. Also my family are very deep thinkers. I know its basically a psychological issue. My brother almost fainted the first time he had one. I hope everything will be ok. How weak do you really get afterwards because I have a wedding that night…
musicaldignityMemberI felt better before I posted this. I never had a blood test in my life (maybe when I was like five) and I am very nervous about having dor yeshorim as my first one. How long are they actually taking blood for? Because five minutes is a long time yentish!!
musicaldignityMemberI love how everyone makes hetairim for this issue. Ive heard some amazing ones. Like, Well the producer is not making money off cds anymore anyway so Im not making it any worse then it is. Or Ive heard – I would not have bought it anyway so its ok to copy. And many many more out there I just cant think of this second. Its assur, its a fact, but people will not change no matter how much everyone screams and yells. Baruch Hashem you cant copy full books yet but I think well get there soon.
musicaldignityMemberbesalel what do you mean by try?
musicaldignityMemberGive the guy a break! So he thought it would be nice to cover two songs to add his own flavor to it. And it had nothing to do with the copying. Im sure he had plenty of songs to choose from and the issue wasnt spending the few extra dollars on buying another song.
musicaldignityMemberWhat bothered me was the lack of the essence of being a frum jew. When somebody would watch that they would say – ok – thats a nice families with nice values and interesting customs. Was their one mention of the reason behind our religion. How we follow the torah that was passed down for generations from Hashem Himself. She referenced the “books’ on the wall but there was not one mention of the importance of the Torah. That is the source of everything they discussed there! There was not one mention of the reason why Judaism is the absolute truth and the purpose of our religion. We are not just a religion of “good values” – im sure you will find people in China who preach values as well. Are we the same as the Amish? No! There is a deeper meaning. I dont think this interview was harmful in any way but I think they missed the main point.
musicaldignityMemberwhat is that a number for exactly?
musicaldignityMemberI think high school girls worship snow the most
musicaldignityMemberWIY – “These people have polluted their neshamos and lost their sensitivity for what is fine decent and holy they are in NO position to “elevate” any of these songs. You have to be elevated to elevate. Most people in the Jewish music scene are not elevated people. The few who are surprisingly never use non Jewish songs. I wonder why.”
Could not have said it better myself
musicaldignityMember“the reason the song you were listening to didn’t “sound” Jewish is because there weren’t any trumpets playing (p. s. this is my personal theory). “
I hope your kidding.
musicaldignityMemberanything edible works
musicaldignityMemberWow. I know I must have hit a very contoaversial subject and I can tell that I am speaking to a lot of people who have very different hashgachos then me and my school and many who probably listen to non jewish music on a regular basis. I probably agree with WIY and cinderella the most on this issue if I would try to explain my view. I was brought up and I believe that there is music that can uplift and there is music that can bring you down regardless of the lyrics. Many of my friends dont understand this and thats why it kills me to see them dancing to these songs when they probably dont understand what its doing to them and are exposed to it because some person wanted to make a buck. People have the right to know what they are listening to.
I personally dont like the argument that many songs come from non jewish songs whatever. I definitely dont agree with the people who brought in that music into our community but not every non jewish song will bring you down. For example as so many people mentioned “yidden yidden” is a song that I do not believe could bring anyone down although I dont think that people should start going through non jewish music to decide which songs dont bring you down because most people dont have the sensitivity to decided that – including me. Thats why there is a concept of not listening to non jewish music.
I dont think people today are on the level to go out into the world of lowliness and pick out the unholy (an understatement) and make it holy. Believe me by the time you finish bringing that song to “holiness” you would have brought yourself down a nice notch in that area.
Regarding this question, before I found out these were non jewish songs and my friends were obsessing over them I remember telling my friend – “this song does not sound jewish” She shrugged me off but I found out to be right. There IS a difference. Its not the mere knowledge that its a non jewish song but its what these songs can do to someone. Before people found out that the MBD song was non jewish I dont think anyone suspected it before If they did not previously know the song from which it came. When I said it I thought I was talking about a jewish composer who composed a song to bring people down. (not an uncommon occurrence).
Im sorry because I know I have been ranting but this subject happens to be one that bothers me endlessly in this day and age. I probably will have to ask a Rav or I like the advice of telling a teacher. Thank you for your input.
musicaldignityMemberbpt?
musicaldignityMemberThank you I appreciate your input
musicaldignityMembernoitallmr
I bet you had no clue that your post would be this popular when you posted your first post -_-
musicaldignityMemberyou mention that you could get affected by staff. How modern could they be i thought they don’t want staff that is so modern. I am normal religious am openminded, but NOT modern. Always dress tznius and try not to listen to non jewish music ect. Please let me know
musicaldignityMemberSorry I have not responded recently. So Im the type of girl who loves to act crazy but is not crazy all the time:) I like NICE girls and cant stand snobs, and Im not modern but open minded normal. Also how strict are they. Are you allowed to bring cell phones – that type. Thanks for your input – I really appreciate it!
November 22, 2011 4:43 am at 4:43 am in reply to: Why do ONLY seminary girls get to learn navi? #858946musicaldignityMemberpopa – saying that the reason girls learn navi is that they dont understand gemara is completely false. There are many reasons why women dont learn gemara but not being able to understand it is not one of the reasons.
musicaldignityMemberI liked Gingrich from the beginning. He is easily the most intelligent and capable of all those who stand on the debate stages. He has a very blunt sense of humor and I am not sure if he is personable enough to be president but time will tell. As for his baggage, his personal life I dont think will be too detrimental since people right now just want a capable guy. clinton also had a crazy background but he was elected anyway because he did the job. It might be a problem however if its brought out that he is unreliable like many reports now are saying. Ill be very interested to see how he handles himself in the next debate. I cant imagine him ever getting rattled, and I cannot imagine anyone on that stage starting up with him. Time will tell.
November 6, 2011 9:09 pm at 9:09 pm in reply to: Cain/Gingrich debate tonight carried on C-Span #824323musicaldignityMemberI did not see it but personally I do not understand why Gingrich is not popular. He is easily the most intelligent, he is very personable, he does not resort to attacking his fellow candidates, and has a very good sense of humor. I happen to like Cain as well, and these recent allegations urge me to send him a check not change my opinion of him. I think Gingrich is not getting as much attention as he deserves.
musicaldignityMemberThe problem is not that there is too many singers… the problem is that they basically all get equal attention. In the non jewish music world only quality will become known since it is much harder to get on the headlines. Today on the jewish sites everyone gets a headline whether its Avraham Fried or Berel Weinberg. People are sick of the overload and nothing excites them. And yitay it is not true that there was never money in albums. Not every single person who put out albums did weddings, for example choirs…are you saying that they never made money on their albums since they dont do weddings? And by the way until recently concerts were not as frequent as they are today. So the money was definitely to a great degree coming from albums. In fact probably the reason that before Succos and Pesach, when you open the Yated you see advertisement for 15 concerts is because of all the copying and the fact that albums done pay anymore. Therefore singers are concentrating much more on doing alot of concerts, and just putting out singles to promote them. It was not like that in the past.
musicaldignityMemberBaruch Hashem and may it be the same for the Rest of Klal Yisroel
musicaldignityMemberI dont understand why Gingrich is not popular..he is clearly the most intelligent, he has a sense of humor, and has the answers. He also doesn’t get involved in bringing everyone else down – something that is childish and nauseating. I liked Perry in the beginning but somebody on his staff is directing him wrong, he used to be ok just no prepared. Not he’s prepared with what he is saying but just saying the wrong things. For example, I like how he was the only candidate who did not say “I, and mine” but rather our ect ..it shows something about a person. He also started bringing other people down more which is pointless. His argument last time was that Romney employed illegals!! Thats the most petty thing Ive heard from him. If he gets his head on straight I think he can get to the top of the polls again. But throw out his advisory staff!
musicaldignityMemberjust dont post it on youtube..
musicaldignityMembernot ignore but put clearer ones that rabbanim are speaking out against in our priority…thats why the rabbanim are makbid with that but dont necessarily preach it to us..because they are on a much higher level then us. Also: each person has to decided where they are and decided what they are going to strive for.
musicaldignityMemberthere are so many problems in the world today…children going off the derech..goyish music infiltrating into jewish music and home…tzaros…ect..why waste time discussing a possible issur that whether right or not that basically 99 percent of the jewish world is not and will not get on any time soon the level to keep. Lets make sure that our children grow up to be Benai Torah and Shomrei MItzvos – Hashem would rather have that from us right now then start assuring music entirely. If we can get every other aspect of our lives perfect Halivai! then maybe we can worry about that too
musicaldignityMemberThis song was never on a cd – I dont know where you got that from… Anyway this song does not match my username I will tell you that…but if you like it then enjoy it.
musicaldignityMemberIn a strange way I feel that “jewish music” or so its called that has not yiddishe hartz is more dangerous then non jewish music. Of course non jewish music is based on values the opposite to jewish values however most frum jews understand it to be wrong and therefore have a strong conscience against it. However the ones that become accepted in the jewish world are forcing these values into our ears without us thinking twice about it and we dont have to feel guilty. I know many stories of friends of mine who heard “jewish music” like this that eventually led them to non jewish music since they grew up quite sheltered and these hip songs appealed to them and they followed that path without knowing it was wrong until they came face to face with the real thing.
musicaldignityMember‘Mod 42 do you have the cd on a computer that you can email it to me? As a mod you would have my email address no?’
Thats kind of geneiva. People today dont understand that just because you own something it does not give you the right to send it to all your friends. Its because of this that our jewish music markey is flooded with junk when the kings of music dont make albums because it doesnt pay
musicaldignityMemberthe levaya will be prodcasted online at 4:30 pm tonight. link: http://www.sharelive.tv/events_menu.asp
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