msseeker

I think people who are abusive (such as suffering from Borderline Personality disorder) shouldn’t consider marriage until they get proper help and change.

And the winner is… Obama! (Entered by AYC)

(The loser is America.)

If you think that’s bad, imagine if there’s a divorce ch”v and the benchers are lying around all over. A real converation starter… Anyway, who says a wedding requires a souvenir? Continued shalom bayis and simchos are the most beautiful and meaningful souvenirs.

Ah. Beautiful name, TH, though not one I’d suggest you take IRL upon your gerus.

“Use your creative minds not to develop dialogue but to develop excuses or even LIES (if needed) to get you out of the situation, such as by saying, “I’m so sorry but I can’t stop now because my house is on fire”, and run away.”

Or, “I’m so sorry but I communicate only with dolphins, no missionaries”

Homeowner:

Today’s silent letters (in English as in French) were pronounced in the older versions of the language. Hence we find French place names in our old sefarim the way they’re spelled, not pronounced today, like ???????? (Montpelier, pronounced “monplay”)or ????? (Troyes, pronounced “troy”). Another interesting example: In Yiddish, a Frenchman is a ????????, exactly like the spelling of popular French name Francois (pronounced today Fransua), which means Frenchman. Chalant is an Old French word meaning “to warm up”. The ETYMOLOGY is Chauld-Lent, i.e. “heat up slowly”. This is also the ancestor of Nonchalant – “not warm”.

Screen name.

Where was Dr. Shulman’s article?

Any Jewish kid going OTD is OUR tzarah, not just “theirs”. We cry with them and for them, and we laugh with them at the tzarah, not at them.

Aries, chill out. Laughing at our tzuris is a famous Jewish trait that has kept us going thru 2000 years of golus.

I like bpt’s suggestion. I f there are no women around, how about mumbling “Excuse me,” while looking away and getting lost ASAP?

I apologize. I was so frustrated with the senseless arguments I just had to vent in my mama loshen. In fact I was surprised it passed through the mods.

Wolf, judging by your comment, I’m not sure the translation is accurate. Also, ????? ????? ??? does not mean ?????. It means a normal, rational person who somehow gets completely twisted about a particular thing.

Anyway, enough for me. Our differences in hashkafa are too deep and too wide for bridges of understanding. We should never be rude, though, and for that I apologize again.

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commonsense, where did I ask why we should care?

bpt: I’m msseeker’s daughter. I was personally offended when you accused my mother of lying. FYI, “msseeker” is truly seeking the emes. One of my friends’ mother wears red nail polish, sleeves that barely covers her elbows, yet her daughter is a true satmar talmidah. And I’m proud to say, she is one of the frummest in our class! You can choose to believe this or not, but like my mother, I too seek the emes.

It really amused me that you think Kiryas Yoel is so open minded. I wouldn’t live there if my life depended on it. Talk about sheltered.

I personally didn’t witness the graduation, but my mother did. She was a young sheltered girl then and thought it hilarious when the girl’s male relatives kissed her.

My mother told me her name, which I can’t exactly post here, but you can verify the truth if you can get hold of anyone who graduated there in 1984.

I appreciate your appreciation of our chessed. Just think, if you would tell MO about the chessed Satmar does, they too would think you were joking.

You’re arguing with facts. My kids in Satmar have classmates whose parents are litvish-type, BT, gerim, sefardi, teimoni… Fathers w/o shtreimels, mothers with red nail-polish… As long as the kids conform to the dress code and the parents are ehrliche yidden, nobody makes a fuss. In Bais Rochel, KJ, there was a girl from Monroe township, quite modern family but they probably prefered Satmar to public school. She learned Yiddish and was very well accepted. Her father and brothers/uncles, all clean-shaven, were even allowed to attend her graduation. And KJ is Satmar in its most narrow-minded, extreme form!

No, I don’t mean the silly tunas. I mean the oiberlender types. Trying to register in yeshiva a kid with a chup? Forget it takke. But if totty originally wears a bend-down and business suit, not b/c of shkutzerei, I don’t think there’d be a probem. That’s why I said “wife and *kids* only”.

The caption was in Yiddish, and all who could read Yiddish understand that women are censored out and are happy about it. *I* might be slighted if my husband was exposed to pics of women.

“But if I wanted to join full time, they would expect me (and rightfully so) to dress the part. Wife and kids too.”

Correction: Wife and kids only. Satmar never stressed levush for men. There are Satmar chassidim with felt hats, beaver hats, tall hats, wide brims; long frocks, 3/4 length, short jackets; full beards, trimmed beards, even no beards; shtreimels, no shtreimels, etc. Satmar only stresses yiras shomayim, limud hatorah, tznius, shmiras einayim, chessed, tzedaka, emunah and anti-Zionism.

A Mizrachist who was “converted” to Satmar rov’s shita on Zionism thanks to the sefer Likutei V’Yoel Moshe, asked the distributor of the sefer what he has to do to become Satmar. His reply was: “Nothing. Just be an ehrlicher yid.”

“To me it looks like all the newspapers ran out of news & were happy to some non-sense topic.”

Well, To me it looks like all the newspapers were happy to some frum-bashing topic.

zahavasdad, I agree, but it might have been a mistake, especially since their English isn’t the greatest. We should be ?? ??? ???? frum Jews too, not only reshaim.

“how did the media find out about this all together?”

?????? ???????? ??? ????. They got it from a moser in JPost who probably reads ?? ??????? every week in order to find shmutz on frum Jews.

I don’t listen to radio at all; I read his transcripts.

DY, OK here’s another joke: After a shidduch is made, Plony comes to one of the mechutanim asking for shadchanus gelt. “You?” the mechutan says, “I don’t owe you a cent, you didn’t say a single word!”

“That’s right,” says Plony, “Had I said a single word, the shidduch would never happen!”

I think what O is trying to explain is: stick to the issue and don’t come with anecdotal evidence that has no shaychus to the disscussion. This is a given on any thread but somehow, when the discussion is about levush, people start arguing about OTHER THINGS those wearing the levush are doing. That was not the question! When we discuss shmiras halashon or health issues or whatever and a poster will state, “Well I know many people who are careful about lashon hara but do many other aveiros” or “I know someone with epilepsy who has a very healthy liver”, he’d be ignored, or laughed out of the CR. How is it different when the OP is trying to determine what a black hat stands for, or the difference between a woollen talis koton or a cotton one, or the permissibility of shaitels, and posters regale us with anecdotes of black hatters or chassidim who fail in COMPLETELY DIFFERENT aspects of yiddishkeit?

Just Hovering, you sound like a wonderful person. You’re trying to do the right thing, but you really need to know more. Why don’t you do some more research on Orthodox Judaism (Aish.com may be very helpful) or speak to an Orthodox rabbi. Lots of luck, G-d bless you.