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“if mosherose and zahavasdad will agree to debate, i will moderate and disallow others from posting.”
Why them? Is this a joke?
Which song is it? ??? ??? ????????
It is. And this why 1P2W brought people to teshuva. They saw the Reform rabbi’s poetic ignorance and empty “arguments”.
Lomed, I don’t know how to say it in English. ????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ???. Literally.
“It’s not really right to battle with them, as they are uneducated as to their heritage – the details of cooking on Shabbos, making Brachos on food, tznius, davening 3 times a day, etc. They are really tinokos shenisb’oo. Their descendents as well – unless they are inspired to LOOK FURTHER as I personally was.”
So why didn’t their educators educate them?
Mod, this debate will not come to fruition unless you mods take over and close it to everyone. Or delete everyone’s comments besides the 2 debators.
Again, I’d love to model the debate on “One People, Two Worlds”. Just two knowledgeable people writing short essays back and forth, with one moderator (their “shadchan” actually) stepping in just once or twice, when there’s gridlock (he claimed they ewere both meshuga and raised practical issues on both sides: Toeiva sanctioned by Reform, and women’s roles in Orthodoxy.)
Bomb, I’ll be the acting moderator if they agree to listen to me.
Lomed, way to go! Can you submit a short paragraph on what being a charedi means to you?
GAW, will you kindly take your quibbles and warmed-over jokes to the other thread?
A few more rules:
1. Each side has our full consent to use any argument already used in the CR.
2. NO whining (“Why do you hate us, boo-hoo?”) or ad-hominem attacks (“You don’t know what you’re talking about.”) Only facts or opinions based on facts, written respectfully, in English.
3. The first one to submit a short essay will have first dibs on questioning the other side.
????? ??? ?????? in beautiful Tannersvile (Hunters).
OK, here’s my suggestion: Every representative, please submit an essay describing your brand of Orthodoxy (no criticizing the other side yet). If most of us agree to keep it 1-on-1, we can vote for 1 rep for each side, based on the caliber of their essay. The best essay from each side will be the springboard for the debate.
charlie brown, thanks for saying what I wanted to, in a better way than I could ever think of.
Me?! A mod?
Why, how odd!
Just thank G-d
I’m not a mod!
Were I a mod
I’d grab the rod
Of a mop or broom
And go vroom-vroom
Clean out the Coffee Room!
I’d suffer no fool
Who tries playing cool
And uses any tool
To break every rule
Like a boy in school
Instead of a fight
Every day and night
Over basics so trite
Of Yiddishkeit
We’d treat each other
Like sister and brother
And help one another
Kindle the fire
And shteig ever higher
In ???? and ???? ????
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How many Leibi’s are we mourning today? Children sold in slavery during the 2 churbanos, killed by their own parents during the Crusades and Tach v’tat, thousands forcibly converted in Portugal, countless abducted by missionaries, half a million killed in the Holocaust…
One death is a tragedy, millions are a statistic.
All of the above. Plus I respect MO for keeping Judaism alive before the WWII refugees came here (Hat tip: Lt. Birnbaum and Amos Bunim). And Agudah for their Hatzalah efforts to save Jews during the Holocaust and the souls of the Teheran, Yemenite, and Morroccan children from the leftist Zionists after the war.
Who says I have a theory? Some mod made a mistake, then corrected it, and I unfortunately was duped in between. It’s probably nobody’s fault. I just wish you realized it and dropped your grudge on me. I did apologize, though it was an innocent mistake on my part.
If you feel hatred emanating from my posts while yours are oozing love for chareidim, we have nothing to talk about. Have a nice day.
Again, they dubbed you “Joseph” BEFORE I mentioned it in my silly little rhyme. I promise. Otherwise I’d never even THINK you’re Joseph. ASAIK, Joseph is anything but poetic.
No. I don’t mean when the ideal is perfection and the reality is imperfect. I mean when the ideal is basic shmiras torah umitzvos and the reality is 50% of teens texting on shabbos, 60% of boys sleeping around in colleges, and a YU graduate publicly thanking his gay partner at the graduation.
You mean you didn’t notice that they subbed you (dubbed you) Joseph for a while?
If the reality is so far removed from the ideal, something must be wrong with the ideal.
“The differences between MO and Chareidim can be summarized in one word: Priorities.”
Kapusta, why would this post give anyone a high blood pressure? Those ain’t fightin’ words.
That’s because when a chossid decides to call himself Litvish, he doesn’t exactly have in mind to sit down in Lakewood and learn for 20 years. He just wants to be more modern.
PM, If you don’t know, all the better.
Thanks a lot! BTW, did you see my posts on The Rhyme Game? Please do.
Disagreement does not equal hatred. I love all Jews except those who hate Hashem. ??? ????? ?’ ???? ???????? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ??? ??.
Does anyone know the rest of this great poem?
I’d rather see a sermon than hear one any day;
I’d rather one should walk with me than merely tell the way.
The eye is a better pupil, more willing than the ear;
Fine counsel is confusing, but example is always clear,
And the best of all the preachers are the men who live their creeds,
For to see a good put in action is what everybody needs.
I can soon learn how to do it if you will let me see it done;
I can watch your hand in action, but your tongue too fast may run.
And the lectures you deliver may be very wise and true,
But I’d rather get my lesson by observing what you do.
For I may misunderstand you and the high advice you give,
But there is no misunderstanding how you act and how you live.
“Saying the MO are not known for their dikduk in halacha is like saying Jews are not known for their honesty in business. It’s an unfair stereotype and a complete misrepresentation of their ideals.”
If 50% of Jewish teens were cheaters, it wouldn’t be an unfair stereotype or complete misrepresentation of Jewish ideals; it would be the truth.
“i know everyone will say i’m crazy and ignorant…”
Not me. RSRH is greatly respected and admired in Satmar.
“Your premise that one can simply “choose” to change chassidus is where you are mistaken.”
Not at all. I know of a skverer family that recently became Satmar (for some mysterious reason:-/)
That’s what I was trying to compare, the MO ideal vs. the Chareidi ideal.
Well, the Chareidish ideal is for everyone to be a tzadik gamur.
Every rule has exceptions and every group has fringe members on both sides of the spectrum. This does not mean that there are no rules, or no groups.
AYC, honestly, you don’t believe me? Didn’t you (or anybody else) notice that your subtitle was Joseph when I posted my silly little rhymes? (Sorry, moski, I’m not in the mood of rhyming when someone accuses me falsely. First let me straighten this out.)
I’m really sorry, AYC, but why are you so angry at me? It’s the mod’s fault, or whoever it was that changed your subtitle to Joseph (and then to the current one). How was I supposed to know it’s sheker? I guess you didn’t notice the changes.
“So, if you are going to let your kids come to this “safe” enviroment, beware that they can easily click on a link on the top left of this very page and go to facebook and youtube….”
Nope. My server (Yeshivanet) won’t allow them. It has a whitelist filter, opening only the sites that I ask for and Yeshivanet approves.
Oh, your SN is now newly subtitled!
I thought you’re Joseph; was I entitled?
My dear MO brothers and sisters,
I have nothing against you personally, only hashkafically. I love you dearly as part of klal yisrael and would put my life on the line to help you were you in need. Let me explain why I’m so upset. We do not have TV, movies, theater, even secular magazines, newspapers, or the general internet. I was so happy to discover this little CR, a safe outlet for us and our kids. But along came some MO posters and started questioning, nitpicking, even ridiculing the very fundamentals of our way of life, sometimes in a very disrespectful way, to put it mildly. Some of you told my kids, effectively, that movies are OK, texting on Shabbos is nisht geferlach, kolel is terrible while TV may be a good thing, and chareidim, especially chassidim, are too extreme, even abnormal. One of you told without shame that he went to a theater(!) in the nine days(!). Rabosai, this is anathema to us. You are on a visit to YESHIVA WORLD, PLEASE BEHAVE ACCORDINGLY. Don’t flaunt your heterim on our turf; it’s not derech eretz. Please pretend that you respect our gedarim and chumras, just as you would pretend to respect anyone’s preferences, especially in front of their children. If you don’t like our way of life, go air out your grievances on other sites; there are plenty for you to choose from. Of course you can bring up our faults, but only in a respectful manner, just as you would criticize anyone. I promise you we’ll respect you in return, though we might not approve of your kulos, of course. (if we did, why, we’d be MO too; it’s much easier!)
All the best, have a good Shabbos (no texting, please!:-)
Am yisrael chai, SN means Screen Name
Your collection belongs in the CR Hall of Fame!
Another thing. In the thread about “What is MO” I posted these exact words, no more, no less: “The differences between MO and Chareidim can be summarized in one word: Priorities.”
THAT POST DID NOT GO THROUGH! Why? Because some mod was probably afraid to “insult” the MO. Yet the most vicious slandering against chareidim gets through with no problem. So who are the bashed and who are the bashers?
“Why does it seem like every thread turns into bashing MO Jews”
Now that’s interesting, Mike, because to me it seems like every thread turns into bashing Chareidi Jews. And not only here, but on every Orthodox website I know. Moreover, the frum-bashing is done in the most vile and self-righteous langauge, much, much worse than MO-bashing. Yet whenever we frummies finally speak up for ourselves, the MO crowd starts whining how unfair and blunt we are. In short: we get angry when you tell lies about us, while you get angry when we tell the truth about you.
“s/o pls explain this one to me-wat cemetery are the grandparents/greatgrandparents buried in?”
Perhaps they were trying to determine if they’re Jewish all around, no p’gam.
In Poland they curled up their payes behind their ears because the goyim used to pull at them and tear them out.
If you’re not a krook or a spy
Why do you give every SN a try?
Thank you, whoever you are (I don’t like to pry)
You should change your name to Ohd Yosef Chai
Moski, perhaps it’s the hot and sad season
Your words still have no rhyme or reason!
Moskidoodle, are you under the weather?
Explain your doodle, or get your act together
If you did not understand my rhyme
Say so, I’ll explain it in no time