msseeker

Just saw this from Rush:

“If you want to make a conservative angry, tell him a lie. If you want to make a liberal angry, tell him the truth. Works every time.”

Works for “liberal frum” Jews vs. “conservative frum” Jews too.

MSSeeker IS Chassidish. She’d hate to identify her chassidus in cyberspace, though, so she categorized it (not necessarily herself) as “frummest of the frum”, vehamaivin yovin.

Some stats:

2. Intermarriage among Orthodox: 3%. Do you know anyone formerly yeshivish or chassidish who married a goy? In my entire life I’ve heard of only one person from a crazy home who did that. I guess 99.9% of those 3% are MO. If almost 3% MO marry goyim, how many go off the derech? Scary. So stop lecturing us about our high walls and try to learn what we’re doing right. Don’t argue with success.

Just because we discuss our problems and flaws doesn’t mean that we’re worse than others. Aberaba, this shows we’re trying to improve while others don’t even care. Don’t be like the Christians who read the tochacha and neviim and conclude that the Jews are the worst sinners. Every community is strongest in the sins they decry the most. The way American patriots carry on about our freedoms being snatched from us, you could think the US is the worst tyranny while in fact it’s the freest country. Why? Because we carry on about our freedoms being snatched from us! Chassidim rail about pritzus in their midst while their women are dressed the most tzniusdik – takeh because of the constant railing! Same goes for loshon hora in the yeshivish community. Self-criticism is proof of greatness davka in the area of the criticism, not the opposite.

A yarmulke is not yehareg v’al yaavor either. How would you feel if your kid’s classmate talks him into throwing it off? That’s exactly how a chassidish parent would feel about a kid who tells other kids its ok not to be chassidish and you don’t have to wear a streimel.

aries2756, terrible story, but I have some questions. Did the girl hide her pain behind a facade of gaivah and chutzpah? If so, send her to a school where the teachers are trained social workers who know how to see through her and deal with her. I understand the pain and pride of a teenager, but don’t blame the teacher for not being omniscient. No frum teacher would turn away a yesoma who is sincere enough to show her pain and ask for help.

Another thing: Where was Dad? Where were her sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles, grandparents? Why didn’t they send her for therapy? If the school was so cruel, why didn’t they switch her to a school that allows these things you don’t consider bad? Why do you blame only the school?

Frogot to thank you for the compliment, Blinky.

There was an abuser named Hannity

Who questioned his family’s sanity

Doc said his disorder

Is right on the border

Of a very difficult personality

It seems the more LW posters take mosherose for a too-frum guy. The RW posters, who are, or know, the frumest of the frum, know that this is not “extremely frum”; it’s meshuga.

I think it was Munkacher Rov (or Shinover) who said, “The best segulah is ?????? ?? ?????.”

Whom are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?

oomis1105:

“MW13, Doctors make horrific mistakes ALL the time (they usually bury them)”

So… perhaps “munchhausen (non-existant illness) Mom” was right after all? Perhaps the life and family of this lovely woman (I know her personally) were ruined, probably forever, thanks to a horrific mistake? Or are are these docs immune to criticism just b/c they’re Zionist, like Herzel and all those chazer fressers?

Dunno: “I am referring to a girl who will only want a guy who is at least 5″10. While she would never listen to any suggestion of a 5″8 boy, she meets one in college…likes him…and she learns that maybe his height isn’t such an important factor. In the case of shidduch dating this wouldn’t happen since she wouldn’t even end up meeting him. Same with a guy who decides he can only marry a size 2 girl and many other cases.”

You know, if your kids are so fargoyisht that they make an issue out of such narishkeiten, perhaps you SHOULD go all the way and expose them to the other gender? The shidduch system apparantly works well only in tandem with the Chassidish (known until quite recently as “Jewish”) way of looking for quality instead of quantity (or lack thereof, think size 2). “Az m’est shoin chazer, zol rinen fin burd.”

Moq: “Men & Women of all social strata, intelligence, and levels of religiosity have done stupid things they never would have dreamed of doing.”

At extremely different rates, you should add. 60% of “frum” kids sleeping around? Gevald geshrigen! In chasidish circles it’s less than 1%! Why? Because our men and boys are kept “far, far away from women”. Just proving the point of your otherwise excellent post.

I’m begining to think Mosherose is a plant trying to make “ultra-frum” people (by CR standards) look ridiculous and cruel. The frummest Jews in the world (barring certifiable meshugoyim) don’t believe in or practice such nonsense. And I do know some of the very frummest in the world.

Ruth was eye-catching (to Boaz) with her tznius and she is praised for it.

Oh, I understand. I just opened it and the words of “Rabbi” Stephen Wise made my blood boil indeed.

Forget about their protests for now. Read their articles and Q&A with an open mind and then you’ll understand their protests.

BTW The full name is “True Torah Jews Against Zionism”. I hope this is what you got. Sorry I didn’t get it right.

PY:

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R’ Elchonon Wasserman further addresses your questions in his ?????? ??????.

All: you can research these issues in TorahTrueJews, an excellent website.

Right. BION, NK is very reasonable and articulate in regard to Zionism, not less than Satmar. It’s their actions legabei the Arabs which need a big tikun. Moshiach’s tzeiten.

Dave Hirsh, first of all I’m not missme. More importantly, you misconstrue the argument. The sad fact that their descendants don’t follow them doesn’t annul their issur.

“Sheitels has become universally accepted even among those who originally opposed this trend.”

Not true. Among the many, many osrim: Sanzer rov, Satmar Rov, and the Chasam Sofer in his tzavo’o.

“Kiev was hit by anti Semitic vandalism when the shuls in Gaza were dismantled? Why? Because the shkootzim see that Yidden are weak, and they act accordingly.”

But this was the opposite of Zionism! Please explain, you seem to have a broad worldview.

BTW why oh why did you get such a scary screen-name?

Thank you, kilobear, for your beautiful, informative post.

Mod, what’s the name of the website for names? Thanks.

Philosopher, thanks for elaborating on my post, but I think justme is right. Can we get together? I have a great idea to work together for everyone’s good. I’ve been looking for the right person for years and it seems you fit the bill and would love it. Please ask the mod for my email and/or ask him to send me yours. (No name needed.) Thanks.

cookie, were you tslking to me? I meant the demand for shadchanim and meager supply of this precious commodity.