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Your thesis is basically: The medina is a bad idea because the people are making a Chilul Hashem.
With that thinking why did Yehoshua bother bringing Klal Yisrael in to EY the first time around when a mere few generations later it turned into wholesale Avodah Zara, Civil war, blooshed and immorality much worse then the modern state of Israel.
What about when Ezra brought Klal Yisrael back in round #2? A very large percentage were married to goyim?!?As far as your questions to my comment from Motsai Shabbos, how do you explain Hashems intro statemen to Avraham, Yitzchak Yaakov and Moshe Rebbeinu all being that I will give you Eretz Yisroel – its should have been I will give you the Torah in Boro Park or Lakewood?!?
My feeling is that you need to read the whole of Tanach cover to cover 2-3 times and then come back to the table.
I think all this terrible confusion can be solved with a little brisker lomdus
There are tzvei dinim; There is the cheftza of a sovereign Jewish nation state in its ancestral homeland Eretz Yisroel. Then there is the Gavra i.e. they are the people that live there and the people who govern it. The fact that this cheftza exists is the greatest miracle of all time and everyone everywhere knows that and either like the Muslims, hates it or like the Christians, loves it. Period. As for the people who live there and govern it I will say let Hashem be the judge but I would think twice before bashing the chosen people. At any rate if you really care about the cheftza having better gavras, just stop the banter and get your “better” gavra self over here.I think all this terrible confusion can be solved with a little brisker lomdus
There are tzvei dinim; There is the cheftza of a sovereign Jewish nation state in its ancestral homeland Eretz Yisroel. Then there is the Gavra i.e. they are the people that live in Israel and the people who govern it. The fact that this cheftza exists is the greatest miracle of all time and everyone everywhere knows that and either like the Muslims, hates it or like the Christians, loves it. Period. As for the people who live there and govern it I will say let Hashem be the judge but I would think twice before bashing the chosen people. At any rate if you really care about the cheftza having better gavras, just stop the banter and get your “better” gavra self over here.We moved from Lakewood to RBS and BH very happy we did.
It might not be for everyone but it is more doable now than ever before, if you really want it you can join too!I moved from Lakewood to RBS and BH very happy I did.
It’s more doable than ever before and although it may not be for everyone, if you really want it you can too!The confusion that this generation is subject to is mind boggling and terribly tragic.
Klal Yisroel was/is given the “Eretz Yisroel project” opportunity three times.
1) After Yetzias Mitzrayim
2) Prior to Bayis Sheni
3) Prior to Bayis Shlishi
The Torah/Navi/Ksuvim make it very clear that this not a picnic where all parties live happily ever after. Rather its a very painful and challenging process. This process is a national responsibility to make it happen and not one that Hashem hands us on a silver platter.
For the majority of 2000 years of Golus, this task was irrelevant, however one must be foolish to deny the opportunity we are being handed today with the new reality in Eretz Yisroel. There are more Jews living in Eretz Yisroel than anywhere else in the world. We all accept responsibility and work very hard to do Mitzvos, not do Aveiros, be mechanech our children, support our families etc. etc. why do we expect the greatest era and Zenith and culmination of 3500 years of Jewish History to be any different?
All who delegitimize this new reality of our era are present day Meraglim. instead of complaining, perhaps get involved!
To simplify ;
1) The Torah places an overwhelming emphasis on Eretz Yisroel
2) The Torah makes it clear that its a lot of work
3) Facing reality we see the opportunity is once again at hand.
4) Stop complaining / blaming and start doing.