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I personally brought a Shailah to two prominent Poskim regarding someone whose mother was adopted and then became Frum. He wanted to know if he had to avoid his non-Frum grandmother’s hug. R’ Moshe Shternbuch SHLIT”A Paskened that it was Yehareg v’Al Ya’avor. R’ Dovid Feinstein SHLIT”A Paskened (in the name of his father, I believe) that it was Mutar l’Chatchilah.
To build on what mentsch1 has written:
The only possible Isur I can imagine to purchase eggs from a farm that is Over on Tza’ar Ba’alei Chayim (again, this has absolutely nothing to do with condoning such practices) would be either Lifnei Iver or Mesayei’a li’Dvar Aveirah. Since, however, they are carrying out their practices of their own volition, and could do so whether or not we buy the eggs (nobody is demanding eggs at a certain price or frequency, and it is definitely not Trei Ibra d’Nahara), these would not seem to apply in such a case.
In the Mishnayos in Shabbos it is clear that animals were force-fed in order to be fattened for slaughter (the only Shaila being if such is Mutar on Shabbos). In the famous story involving Rebbi, a frightened calf being led to the slaughter hid its face in Rebbi’s garment, and he sent it off with a “Go – for this you have been created”. He was punished according to his Darga for being insensitive to the calf’s “feelings” – not because his message was incorrect.
Obviously we have Chiyuvim. The first stage, for those in the position to do something about it, is to clarify what those Chiyuvim are with a competent Halachic authority (which I am not).
I agree with my esteemed father-in-law (BarryLS1) on most points here. Before the Mabul, Chazal tell, us it was Asur to use animals for our own use, or to eat them. Since Noach saved the animals, we gained a certain mastery over them, and the right to eat certain ones – along with the Achrayus of treating them Al Pi Halachah. Additionally, acting cruelly toward Hashem’s Beriyos causes one to become crueller, and Derech Eretz Kadma la’Torah. Therefore, in spirit, I agree with the OP that we must not treat animals cruelly.
I do have two issues with the OP, however, and they are related. One is that I do not currently abuse any animals, and therefore why would I agree that “we” have to stop doing so?
The second is that Hashgacha on the Halachic permissibility of consuming animal products and the conditions under which said animals are held – even if, CH”V, contrary to Halacha – are two different things. A Hashgacha mark on an item on the supermarket shelf does not tell me anything about those conditions, nor should it. Anyone can do their own research, ask their own Shailos, and make their own decisions – and they should – but to imply that “we” are abusing animals because we are buying kosher eggs or meat (assuming that it is kosher!) I find disingenuous.
Run a search for Meor / Meor vision programs, or for Rabbi Yosef Lynn. Contact them / him. May Hashem grant you much success, happiness, and peace of mind!
I thought that we Pasken that the very fact that it was mounted by a bull Pasels it (“Alal Aleha Ol” – see second Perek of Parah), and the birth – or for that matter, the pregnancy – merely proves what had happened beforehand to Pasel it. Either way, why wasn’t it kept separate from bulls? This doesn’t seem to be rocket science.
European nations (the EU / the UN)
At first I thought you meant the “equivalent” of Daas Torah for those who follow the entertainment industry.
But yes, it is interesting. Te Rambam b’Pashtus means the metaphysical equivalent of these celestial bodies; i.e., the Malach behind the star.
True. But I do have pleasure!
I’m an incorrigible punster. It was your fault for incorriging me!
True. I think I’m right – therefore I am.
I am never wrong. I don’t agree with any of you. Therefore all of you are wrong.
MODS – For some reason, it does not show up on my screen, which is why I asked.
apushatayid – It’s not that one does not care if the pictures are posted. It’s that the fact that they were later posted did not prevent him from acting a certain way AT THE TIME. This concept is from the two approaches to Hezek Re’iyah in the first 4 Dafim or so of Bava Basra. One is that it is Ayin Hara – it directly causes damage. The other is that it prevents me from acting normally since I am being watched (See B.B. 2b Tos. DH Nafal, and Shulchan Aruch C.M. 378:5 with the SM”A there).
Sam2 – don’t be so sure. Some would ogle the Simcha pictures. Think of it as a more subtle Yetzer Hara.
MODS – is there a reason my first post wasn’t posted?
It was.
Two more points I wanted to make.
One is that Hezek Re’iyah has nothing to do with this. As opposed to the common misunderstanding of the term, it is a Machlokes Rishonim and refers either to Ayin Hara, or to someone feeling uncomfortable and self conscious since he is being watched. Well, on second thought, perhaps there is some connection. But only to Ayin Hara, possibly – the second approach is only b’Shaas Maiseh.
Also, the lack of Tznius is applicable whether or not the Chosson and Kallah are behaving inappropriately. As others have noted, that which they are at the event of their own wedding, in the presence of their guests, is entirely appropriate, and if there are those in attendance who abuse their Shemiras Einayim then it is not (necessarily) the fault of the Chosson and Kallah. Whereas posting a picture for any and all to see – including those who have no connection to the Simchah – is inviting the voyeur in many. Especially considering that there does not seem to be any compelling reason to do so.
The third place that I leined was a Chasidishe Shteibel. The
Minhag there is for the Rebbe to get Shishi, as usual – but on Parshas Naso, this includes ALL TWELVE Korbanos ha’Nesi’im.
All cows have horns. This species is not the one you are familiar with, whose females have small horns.
There is a precedent in Jewish history for the correct approach to warfare. In the Midbar, 1000 from each Shevet went to fight. In the times of Dovid Ha’Melech, there was a rotation. One third fought while the other 2/3 remained behind to Daven and learn for the Hatzlacha of those on the front lines.
In my Yeshiva, during times of active war, the R”Y puts a sign-up sheet on the wall. It is for Bachurim and Avreichim to accept hours of learning Chok v’Lo Ya’avor from 6:00 AM until 12:00 midnight. He explains that it should really be round the clock, but he hesitates giving the Yetzer Hara foothold to destroy the Sedarim of the Yeshivah. He also gives strong Musar regarding the strengthening of Hasmada during Sedarim. If we are partners in protection, then we have to step up our efforts when the battle rages!
My message to any Jew in E”Y who is not learning full-time is: We need you! There are so many missing from the two-thirds necessary to protect the rest! I eagerly await the time when our ranks are full and I too can take my turn on the front lines. Until then, I must remain in the breach where there are not enough men!
I heard from Gaby this morning that B”H there has been an improvement in his wife’s condition. Obviously she still needs Tefilos – she is in for a long and painful recovery BEZ”H.
Also, it is correct that Gaby feels that her mother’s name is Francis. He said that “They gave her the name Tzipora, but she has never been called that”. I’m not 100% sure what he meant.
Tziporah is injured from the jump only, and is expected to BEZ”H mae a recovery. Def. continue to daven.
Mrs. Sassoon was terribly burned trying to save her children. She needs a lot of Tefilos.
Ah, Zehavasdad (*wince*). I’m pretty sure you meant “castigate”.
Edited. Thanks for pointing it out.
Really Fast Do-Over Syndrome
By removing the fringe through rounding off the corner of the Beged.
The premise here is not quite correct. “Eich Esa Levadi, Torchachem u’Masa’achem v’Rivchem” is Leined in the Torah in Eichah Trop.
Someone who has Midos Tovos, someone who is holding at / wants to grow in Ruchniyus at at least the same place / rate that you do, and someone whom you do not find unattractive.
From Kollel Iyun Hadaf website (Background to the Daf):
The commentaries list a number of differences between Kares and Misah b’Yedei Shamayim (see TOSFOS to YEVAMOS 2a DH Eshes Achiv; RABEINU YONAH in Sha’arei Teshuvah, 3:6; TIFERES YISRAEL to Sanhedrin 9:6):
1. One who is punished with Kares will die before age 60 (according to Moed Katan 28a, or before the age of 50, according to the Yerushalmi Bikurim 2:1). One punished with Misah b’Yedei Shamayim will die after the age of 60 but before his time has come (according to Moed Katan ibid., or before the age of 60, according to the Yerushalmi ibid.)
2. When one is punished with Kares, even his children (who are minors at the time of his sin) die, and he bears no further children. When one is punished with Misah b’Yedei Shamayim, only he is punished and not his children (Yevamos 55a and RASHI there). (See, however, RIVA in Tosfos to Yevamos 2a DH Eshes, who maintains that Kares only involves the death of one’s children in the two cases where the Torah adds the word “Ariri.” However, he might be referring to the death of children who are not minors.)
3. Some add that when punished with Kares, the sinner’s cattle and possessions slowly expire until he is left destitute – see Insights to Yevamos 73:2.
4. For a number of specific sins, the Torah assigns a form of Kares in which the sinner not only dies before his time but is not granted a portion in the World to Come (Sanhedrin 64b, 90b).
“Love your fellow as yourself. The rest is commentary.”
I am saddened to hear of your painful situation. Are there any Shuls in your area in which you feel comfortable? Even if the Rabbi of such a Shul is not whom you seek (or if there is no Rabbi), perhaps someone there can make a recommendation.
FrumGuy, I don’t know what line of work you are in. Nowadays, anyone who teaches Torah is called “Rabbi”. Those who have beards and work in Torah institutions are called “Rabbi”. Those who are “identifiable” as Yirei Shamamyim – either outwardly or due to their actions and/or the way they conduct themselves – are called “Rabbi”.
On the one hand, l’Ma’am ha’Emes you should probably make the point that you don’t have Semicha. On the other hand, as long as you feel that you are making a Kiddush Hashem in your work, then perhaps it is not necessary to protest beyond that. (I follow this advice myself, as I am in a situation that is at least somewhat similar.)
The Pasuk had already stated earlier “va’Yamos”. Then Elisha had Geichazi go and check if he was really dead, or maybe he had “woken up”. When the Pasuk stresses that Elisha entered and saw him dead and cold, the whole point is l’Afukei PBA’s Hava Amina.
I realized that she was too inflexible on a number of issues that were important to me. This may not be the best comparison to other Shidduchim, as she was particularly slow to open up.
Perfect time for Daf Yomi.
Sam2 – Bigdei Tziv’onim, in a general sense, definitely means colored clothing. This is clear in many places in Shas.
And in terms of the general topic, I agree with many others – as long as one makes absolutely certain that it is not translucent in any way, then there is certainly no Tzenius issue. The aforementioned bride was misguided, as she acted contrary to Minhag Yisrael.
First of all, being sad and being depressed are two different things. One who is sad is motivated to, if at all possible, remove the source of the sadness, or at least grow from it and become a better person. One who is depressed tends to wallow unproductively in that depression. Now we are very sad. But we are not depressed.
Secondly, I heard (unconfirmed) that R’ Yaakov Kaminetsky ZT”L stopped the band at one of his grandchildren’s Chasunos from playing this song, since it was not Emes. I have heard a “Litvishe” alternate version that goes, “Simchah Gedolah Liyehos b’Mitzvah Tamid”.
I don’t know of a Kehilah that doesn’t sing liberally with the Chazzan throughout Chazaras ha’Shas of the Yomim Nora’im. Is this wrong l’Fi the Mishnah Berurah, or since the Minhag is to sing these words and only these words, perhaps there is no Cheshash that one will say the whole Berachah, and it is not Meichzi k’Yuhara?
You idiot! What I said was, “Zzbu zzbu!”
Patur Aval Assur – of course Moshe Rabeinu was in full-time learning. He just had a very wealthy Father supporting him.
Actually, Moshe Rabeinu was a Sefardi. Had he been Ashkenazi, his name would have been Rabinowitz.
Well, the Peirush of “Rashi” on the first Daf+ fits word-for-word with that labelled “Rabeinu Gershom” elsewhere on the page. Are you saying that this Peirush is, indeed, NOT that of Rabeinu Gershom?
The first Daf and a half of “Rashi” is really the Peirush of Rabeinu Gershom. There is a manuscript that has been found and published that the publishers claim is really Rashi.
Aleinu. I absolutely cannot fathom how, in just about every Minyan I’ve ever been in, people finish it in half the time that I can.
If Amusing Questions is qualified as a division of the Joke Thread, then may I assume that Amusing Answers would be qualified as a multiplication of the Joke Thread?
It is the number one ingredient in nearly all pesticides.
Where do generals keep their armies?
– Up their sleevies!
Why did the sunken ship shiver on the ocean floor?
– It was a nervous wreck!
Why couldn’t the bike stand by itself?
– It was two tired!
yitzchokm – What you probably meant was, this thread ROCKS!
A well-trained pet rock hurls ITSELF at cars being driven by Jews on Shabbos.
I personally keep no more than half of Basar v’Chalav at any given time.
In the case that there is someone who truly wants to follow this up, the Sugyos are at the end of the first Perek of Kidushin.
Sorry – I meant the Meiri (DH l’Olam).
Ayin Maharsha at the end of the Sugya that the point is not to escalate the argument.
Ancient Egypt is where modern encyclopedias claim the concept of fermenting dough originated. Even if the Yidden in Mitzrayim didn’t usually eat it, they certainly knew what it was, and they probably would have chosen it as their food had they had the time to prepare it.