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April 21, 2013 8:12 am at 8:12 am in reply to: Can You Suggest Shadchan Learning Resources? Shadchans willing to mentor? #947250mmbagMember
@Vogue – sorry to hear you had a bad experience with MTurk
@Torah613 – I meant books about shadchanut. Also, there are some good books on marriage/dating for marriage that I think are useful to infer what you need to match people on. Ex.: I Only Want To Get Married Once by Chana Levitan
2 – Good idea, I should speak to a rebbetzin :).
3- True. I came up with what I think is a solution to this. Reject no one, and after hearing who they are/what they’re looking for, tell each person (regardless if they’re attractive/not, smart/dumb etc), I’m giving them a list of the most popular features. Bc who knows what each person knows, and this way people can become aware of areas where they might improve selves, if not already known. Love to hear your thoughts on this?
4- NO worries, thanks anyways.
@rebdoniel – that was really insightful and I appreciate that advice :). Thanks for sharing it! I agree that an open approach will go a long way.
Something I was thinking about is that it’s key to provide people a core for which they can admire/respect the other person, e.g. given middot. Bc ultimately the biggest predictor of divorce is disrespect in a couple, so conversely the greatest predictor of attraction may be a high degree of mutual respect. Thoughts?
mmbagMemberThat has got to have been the funniest post here ever!
mmbagMember“It’s good to have a friend / relative / rebbi / wise person / confidant to discuss these questions with and help you decide if your concern(s) are legitimate.”
– Good advice. I spoke to a friend who helped convince me to go on a second date with the woman who became my wife, b’H. In hindsight, with your Q I realize I had siyata d’shmaya there, to help avoid me losing my bashert.
@Popa – What do you make of the bat kol saying ‘ben ploni lbat ploni’? Also, whatever your points may be, I think you might say them in a nicer way.
April 17, 2013 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm in reply to: How to tell the Shadchan that the girl's too heavy #946260mmbagMember@ShalomToYou – In this case, you actually have the ability to offer another reason without having met her yet, as someone suggested. Her being related to the shadchanit puts you in a catch-22, and isn’t fair to anyone.
Why?
Suppose you dated her and she was stunning. But spoke lashon hara like it was going out of style. Could you tell THAT to the shadchan?
Basically the shadchan made a mistake with this suggestion, and you have your get outa jail free card as a result. You can say that it’s not fair to the girl – you might feel pressured to date her longer than you would otherwise (true from your above points), wasting her time – and it’s also not fair to yourself (wasting your time + you can’t explain why it didn’t work out).
“I’m not sure how to say this, but I feel awkward dating someone you’re related to. What happens if it doesn’t work out? We’re all human and nobody’s perfect … How can I tell you, what went wrong? Even if I find the most tactful way of saying ‘no thankyou’, in your heart of hearts it might still be upsetting and you would have a hard time wanting to set me up again…”
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