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“The color of the shirt has NOTHING, nor does charedism, for that matter. (although both parties use that term), to do with their non-conscription.”Give me one other explanation for why they are exempt from service?
They are Jews, just like the rest of the country, who are not exempt.
They are Israeli citizens, just like the rest of the country, who are not exempt.
They learn Torah in Yeshiva, just like the Dati Leumi bochrim, who are not exempt.So if you can find me any other difference between the Charedim and the rest of the Israeli population apart from cultural self-identification, I will withdraw my statement.
Good luck.
Not particularly surprising.
Imagine if you had to leave your wife, kids, job, kollel or yeshiva for over a year, putting your life at risk or even losing it…and your neighbor (who you are protecting), doesn’t need to because of the color of his shirt and the material of his kippah.
It makes no sense and is causing a huge amount of anger.@Anonymousomeone1
1) Jews believe in the death sentence applied by Beis Din/Sanhedrin in the times of the Beis Hamikdosh, exceptionally rarely. Not the disaster that the death penalty has been in the USA over the past century.
2) Liberals do believe murder is bad. As for abortion, you might be surprised how nuanced the halachic approach to the issue is if you actually look into it. In some cases much closer to the ‘liberal’ position than the conservative one.Human driven climate change is not a belief. It is a verified fact which 99% of experts in the field confirm as true based on truckloads of evidence. Why you decide to reject these 99% of scientists but happily accept scientific consensus when it comes to medical care I have no idea.
There is nothing in Jewish halacha, hashkafa or machshava that demands frum Jews to reject this. In fact, there are plenty of mekoros which predate the modern day scientific method which call for humans to look after Hashem’s creation.
Save your protests for the issues which genuinely go against Torah.Surely the protection of American democracy is more important for Israel’s long term future than 4 more years of a particular president.
Your candidate is going to take the election to the Supreme Court, unless he wins of course.
What a chilul Hashem that our community voted for him.It is fascinating that so many Orthodox Jews believe that halacha falls on the pro-life side of the abortion debate.
Even a cursory glance at the poskim show that halacha is much more accommodating than many Republican policy proposals. A more in depth limud would probably confuse people even more!
Whilst certainly not ‘pro-choice’ in it’s outlook, halacha is so much more complex than the current political debate.
Frum Jews need to really examine whether their hashkofos are actually informed by halacha, or by the terrifying shift of the community to the political right.I am a black Jew.
I am so incredibly distressed, hurt and ashamed to have read this appalling thread.
How can anyone think this is a way an ‘am kodosh’ behaves, thinks or speaks?
Open your eyes.On the Kerem B’Yavne discussion: the classifications ‘MO’ or ‘Chareidi’ are quite simply below the eyeline of the yeshiva, it doesn’t care.
You have boys and rebbeim of all backgrounds, both Israeli and Chutznik,coming together with the simple motto ‘cut out the political trash, and learn something!’
It’s a remarkable place because of this attitude.