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I find it very interesting that if the number 6 million is accurate, it comes out that the number of people nifter during Makas Choshech and during the Holocaust were the same. I hinted at this in my first post…
MivaksheyemesMemberAbba bar Aristotle I never criticize only seek to understand. That being said we still need to try to answer these questions. Those mifrshim say that ONLY shevet levi didn’t work as opposed to 4/5 of klal yisroel. I also believe that it is illogical to think that all the other yidden felt perfectly safe while their brothers are cruelly enslaved. Whose to say they won’t be next? Yet when Moshe comes offering freedom NO ONE from this group takes him up on it? It’s comparable to Mashiach coming and people not wanting to leave their homes in America to go to Israel. Some will and some won’t.
There were many avairos before Matan Torah. Why do you think that there were none?
Before Matan Torah there was only the Shevah Mitvos Biney Noach. Once the Torah was given started the obligation to keep it. One can’t be held accountable for that which he was never commanded!
anon1m0us Your question is very strong!
MivaksheyemesMemberThe Netziv is against those miforshim that say only Shevet Levi didn’t work. It also is kineged hasvarah to say that none of the 4/5 wanted to leave their homes. Besides, all this happened before Matan Torah – before their was the concept of aveiros. You can’t say that the 4/5 were worse than all the other nations that rejected Hashem and the Torah yet they weren’t killed!
MivaksheyemesMemberThank you everybody for your answers!
TheMusicMan- The entire klal yisroel was on the 49th level of Tumah making everyone rishaim. I think this is problematic to what “twisted” wrote as well.
SaysMe-Does it make sense that if someone throws you into prison that your indebted to them in anyway when they free you? You’d say “why did you throw me into prison in the first place!?!”
Abba bar Aristotle- 1)The Netziv answers why hashem killed them but we need to understand why in the world so many people didn’t want to be freed from slavery. It also doesn’t answer why 80 percent of klal yisreol being killed isn’t a huge tragedy.
2)Answers the question very nicely but it’s really hard to understand how the tevah could have been different beforehand. If you have a good explanation i’d love to hear it!
cherryends- Answers that question fully and i will iy”h check it up.
March 25, 2013 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm in reply to: Info Needed On Bais Din Of Lakewood (Knopfler) #940717MivaksheyemesMember -
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