Humility:

it isn’t feeling lowly,

it isn’t insecure,

its to be happy with who you are,

of themselves to be assure.

It isn’t to feel inferior,

its not to be afraid,

its to be brave and step it up,

positive motives are conveyed.

its not to be so shy,

its not to hide away,

its to come forth with what you have,

its what you must portray.

The mist of the storm overtakes me,

whirling wind,

circles,

bubbles,

foam and waves,

I’m drowning,

gasping for air,

desperate for another breath,

I don’t want to die,

I need to see the world,

I can’t go under,

struggling to stay afloat,

its confusing,

its a whirlpool I’m in,

its violent turbulence is shaking me up,

its thrashing my tormented body up and down,

its ruthless waves come crashing down onto my aching sores,

its sharp mist slaps my face like a razor,

so sharp,

so painful,

so confusing.

I actually heard from girls who are there now that there are many girls who spend their nights listening to non-jewish music and movies. Don’t know about boys but if they’re doing movies and things, its also very likely their tznius will look about the same. I’m not saying mini skirts I mean skirts at or a drop above the knee would be my guess.

For whoever asked if seminar is going back down in size for next year they said they are that this year was more than they’d like

BY girl ur ressuring me thank you! but someone just told me that they cram a lot in and there is never free time because theyre packing a years worth of material into a few months. is this true? also whats the deal with staying til pesach?

from what i hear, a good comparison is yeshiva. Its SUPER academic like very very very intense. Most of the girls are very yeshivish or more towards that side. It sounds like a seminary for very “in the box” girls who grew up yeshivish and continued that way. This is all my impression of what I heard but I could be wrong so anyone can say if its different. Personally, I think if you’re going for academic, do BJJ. And yes, lots of girls who apply to masores rochel also apply to BJJ and bnos sara. They are pretty similar in terms of academics.

One more question Bygirl93-when you came home, you signed up for college? is it bad timing to make it into a program like smack in middle of the year? and thanks soooo much for all the information really sounds good!

YES! I need major information on lahav! seriously thinking about it. Got a lot of recommendations to go there. What type are the girls? When do you come home? IS it that by the time you get adjusted and start enjoying it you come home and then its worthless? is it yeshivish? modern? in between? out of towny? as much information as you could PLEASE!!

My question to guys is do you like a lot of makeup?

syag-You are correct. I’m sorry yehudah tzvi -but your last post was unnerving and pushed my buttons.

Whoever said they’re speaking up for the victim not the abuser…I’m not speaking up for the abuser. I was a victim myself. I know what the pains like. I know what the life-long effects are. Been there. Done that. Still in treatment. But I do know that the 11 year old boys who did it to me didn’t do it for not good reason. They must’ve had something happen to them.

aries and PBA I’m in full agreement with you.

OP I’m disgusted by your attitude. You can protect children all you want but what kind of person labels the poor boy a monster??!!

I didn’t read through the entire thread because I was too sickened by the first few longer posts that I read here. I’ve been to BOTH sides of the coin so trust me on this one. There are offenders who have the “disease” to molest children. Then there are children who have been molested and don’t know how to deal with the trauma other than to do what’s been done to them, to others. Usually, a 15 year old boy who molests children was molested himself. The poor boy is suffering inside and needs to get help. Not shunned by people who don’t understand the pain of someone who was molested and only want to protect themselves. This boy does not deserve to be locked up anywhere or killed or whatever you say. He needs to get the proper help so that he can overcome what he’s been through and stop offending others. And another thing-it depends how old the boy was when he did the offense. A young boy not necessarily is able to understand that replaying what he’s been through onto other children is wrong. I’m not saying for sure that this is the case but it is very likely since he is so young. Speak to Rabbi Goldwasser before hanging up this boys picture and ruining his life even more.

Its pretty yeshivish as far as I know. Supposed to be a good yeshiva though. You gotta ask the guys 🙂

YWN should post this on the home page-seriously! Its so true! I think everyone needs a reality check. Unfortunately it happens all the time.

First thing I’d do is update the CR more often…sorry I just had to say that 🙂 and also I’d be the nightime mod cuz there’s never anyone on at night.

Adorable-I can totally identify with you! I am EXACTLY the same way! What I find works for me is that I tell myself that I know whatever decision I make I’ll end up regretting so just take any and it doesn’t matter. it makes me realize why I’m regretting my decision-simply because I ALWAYS regret my decision at some point. Dunno-just what works for me but I have self-confidence issues so that’s another point to take into account as someone else said.

Flowers-

Firstly, you asked me to find you a thread where I asked a question and got an answer. That DOESN’T mean that “I” have to ask it. I can get an answer from another person’s post. And no, I’m not searching the entire CR to satisfy YOU. And for where I said that I don’t care about what boys and men think-I’m referring to the style in which I dress. I remember walking out and asking someone how I looked and they said “do you really think the boys know the difference” and that is what I mean. I was not asking how I looked to make sure I looked good for the boys, I wanted to look good for the GIRLS. That has NOTHING to do with tznius!!! That has to do with the fact that I don’t dress “in style” for men! As for tznius, I can see what men say and as I can according to how strong against my Y”H is that day whether I can conquer it and listen to what they say isn’t tznius. Not every day am I capable of dressing perfectly!

And I said you can’t change my thoughts because you CAN’T! Its my thoughts and I’m adding them the same way you’re adding yours! That DOES NOT mean that I don’t care what’s right! Yes, I DO care what is right. I am a teenage girl for heaven’s sake! Do you think I am Rav Moshe Feinstein?! I am not perfect-far from it! I know that! It doesn’t mean I can’t try my best to serve Hashem properly!

“Yes, every time I go against halacha knowingly I feel mighty guilty but there is a major pressure in today’s society that many girls (myself included) can’t always fight.”

Now, check that out. You yourself proved that I DO care what is right and wrong where I wrote …I feel mighty guilty… and where I wrote …that we can’t always fight. I know what’s right and wrong but I can’t always fight my Y”H! And guess what-you can’t either! Nobody is perfect!

And for what you said about tznius appliying in men and women’s presence-Did I ever say not?! It doesn’t mean that it doesn’t help to get a man’s opinion on things!

“mdd: read mischiefmaker’s contradictory posts and you will see that it’s all bubba meisis.”

And yes, I am very hurt by the way you feel you need to put down another’s posts. What I am saying is not bubba meisis; it’s my personal thoughts and you don’t need to agree with them. There were other posters who agreed with my point of view yet you selected MINE and said it in a disgusting way. There is something VERY wrong with that.

Yeah mods can be a little um…strict but they also are rly funny sometimes 🙂 And w/out the restricting this CR would be totally inappropriate!

observanteen-yeah I guess you were also there but you seem to have a very different experience. I was very depressed and still am. I won’t say e/t cuz ppl here know me but I’ll just say that its not always the teens fault! I had a lot of issues that I’m dealing w/ now that caused it. Also, it came a lot from my surroundings (wont go into it)It was my way of crying out for help. I’m glad you’re fine now-dunno how u did it cuz as soon as I was back on track I got severely depressed (which I was the whole time just didn’t rly come out so much) and now I have an ED too. These things don’t come from nothing. No, its not a blame game but I’m saying that MANY times there is an external cause to it.

And to those who think this topic is L”H you are wrong! I asked a rav and he said it is NOT! For some reason when it comes to this ppl think its L”H but talking bout ur neighbor isn’t. This is an important topic that needs to be brought to the surface because ppl are in DENIAL and it can be prevented!

Shlishi-whether it happens rarely or not, it is covered up. Even one case is too many. (and if you were referring to me specifically, I didn’t not use the word rampant even once in my post so there;/)

The day I made my screen name my friend figured me out and shortly after my sister made herself a screen name and she reads it all the time and posts every so often. Maybe some other siblings post that I don’t know about but whatever.

I tried a million times to sign up w/ frumteens.com and didn’t work-dunno what’s wrong with it or my computer but anyways it barely gets updated (I read it) so whatever but thanx anyways!

Anything that’s low in calories 🙂