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n0m, her uf hacken a chainik. The posuk says very clearly why one should not curse a king or a rich man — because you will get caught. No other reason. It has nothing to do with respect or society. Since when is a rich man a leader? The ONLY reason is that you will get caught and they will punish you. In our society that is impossible; Trump neither can nor would punish anyone for cursing him. Therefore there is no reason not to, except that he doesn’t deserve it.
And the king being the state is the very DEFINITION of kingdom. There is no kingdom without the king. Again, stop hacking a chainik, it’s like you’re demanding proof that a dog is not an elephant, or that a rock is not a tree. They are very different things.
n0m, what on earth are you talking about? Do you have any idea?
I thought Republicans were proud that they were the anti-science party.
Where on earth could you possibly have got that idea? No Republican has EVER said such a thing. You are simply repeating Democrat LIES.
Yes, Dems are the anti-vaxx party. 90% of anti-vaxxers are Dems. Trump is hardly the typical Republican. RFK Jr is absolutely the typical Democrat. The Democrat Party panders to the anti-vaxxers, the astrologists, etc. And how do you not understand what all those other items are? They’re all examples of rejecting science in favor of mysticism and magical thinking.
what very wrong model?
The model of that fraud Neil Ferguson from Imperial College. All the shutdowns around the world were based on that model. Or the model that the Minnesota governor had some students whip up for him in one weekend, on which basis he locked up the whole state. You can read all about it on Power Line.
And no, there is no evidence that “average global temperature” (a meaningless and unmeasurable number) is rising, or that it’s higher than historical levels. Mann, Hansen, and the East Anglia crew have engaged in massive fraud, altering the historical record to make the past seem cooler than it was, so current temps can look hotter in comparison. “Hide the Decline.” That tells us everything we need to know. Read some articles on Watts Up With That.
“denying climate change”. Ah, yes. What used to be called “global warming” until they could no longer convince people that the world was in fact getting warmer because all their predictions failed . So they changed it to “change”, because of course climates are constantly changing so who could deny it?
This “climate change” hoax is NOT science. It is the very opposite of science. It is witch-doctory, exactly like the anti-vaxx movement. It is all modeling, and we have just had a very graphic demonstration of what happens when you rely on models. We’ve just ruined thousands of lives because of a very wrong model that, if it had been produced by a private company, would have got them sued into bankruptcy.
“Climate change” is a deliberate fraud, perpetrated by a small number of outright con men like Michael Mann and James Hansen, and anyone who still believes in it after all this time is either a fool or a willing accomplice. The motive is to destroy capitalism, which is why every “crisis” that comes along mysteriously has the same solution: more government power and more incursions on individual rights.
Democrats are the anti-science party. They are the party of anti-vaxx, of astrology, of insisting that a man can become a woman by just saying so, of anti-nuclear, anti-fracking, anti-GMO, anti-pesticide, in fact anti-every aspect of human progress, anything that can improve the human lot, because they WANT to reduce us all to squalid misery so we will be dependent on them and give them power to look after us.
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a. He was NOT “officially accused” of discussing sanctions with the Russians, since there would have been nothing wrong with that. He wasn’t “officially accused” of anything; in fact he had no idea it was even an official meeting. He thought the FBI agents had come to discuss the transition with him. Agav urcha they asked him whether he had spoken with Kislyak, and/or what he had discussed, and according to them he denied the conversation. We don’t know what was actually said, this is only the agents’ report, composed much later.b. See above. The conversation was, eventually, about his phone call, and according to them this is how he described it. Their impression was that he was not intending to deceive them, he simply wasn’t being exact.
c. The lie he was charged with was this conversation. That he had denied discussing sanctions when in fact he had discussed them. Had the conversation been conducted according to protocol, it should first have been cleared with the DOJ, Flynn should have been told he was being questioned and had to tell the truth, he should have had a lawyer, and above all the transcript THEY HAD should have been provided to him to refresh his memory. They did none of this because the whole point of the conversation was to trick him into telling a lie so they could charge him with something.
d. It is literally maasiim bechol yom that people plead guilty to things they never did. It’s a huge scandal.
Mlhouse, thats the problem with using national statistics. The 2 if the largest measles hot spots,by zip code,were Boro Park and Williamsburg, 2 centers of large Jewish populations.
And your point is? The fact remains that our community’s vaccination rate is higher than the national average, which means we have fewer anti-vaxxers than most communities do. The outbreaks in our communities did not happen because we had a low vaccination rate; they happened despite our rate being high. But maybe if our rate had been even higher they wouldn’t have happened. It’s impossible to know. There is no such thing as 100% safety, but we should try to get as close as we can.
Search for “No Evidence That Flu Shot Increases Risk of COVID-19”
No, a king is not a ruler who cannot be legally deposed. I never said any such thing. The definition of a king is that he is the state; that he is the lord and everyone in his realm is his subject and owes him loyalty. Americans are not subjects. And we do not have kings. We will not allow kings. We will kill anyone who tries to impose a king on us. Therefore Trump is not one. It really is as simple as that.
And cursing him is not dangerous. He won’t and can’t do anything to those who curse him, because we have freedom of speech and he respects that. And why would anyone else want to hurt those who curse him? On the contrary, it is far more dangerous to publicly bless him than to curse him; there have been many reports of violence against anyone expressing support for Trump, and none of violence against his opponents.
Jews are an insignificant minority of anti-vaxxers, and anti-vaxxers are an insignificant minority of Jews. The stats on the measles vaccine showed that the Orthodox Jewish community had a higher vaccination rate than the national average. Only a very few whackos within the frum community oppose vaccines, and it’s unfair to portray us as providing a fertile environment for such. It’s impossible and unreasonable to expect any community to be completely free of crazy people. Anyone who would be provoked to antisemitism by this is already an antisemite anyway, so we shouldn’t worry about them.
RE, the crisis will go away eventually. Of course. And no, he did NOT “agreed to fire Obama’s NSC panidemic task force.” That is yet another lie. Please stop lying about him. Not because he’s the president but because he’s a human being.
In January, when everyone was saying the threat was not great, Trump was already setting up a task force and taking measures to combat it, in case it turned out to be more serious than they were saying. He even announced it in the State of the Union address, which Pelosi ripped up declaring that there was nothing of value in it. So everyone stop lying about Trump.
No, RE, the flag is merely a symbol, and it is PERFECTLY LEGAL to burn it. Any legislator who votes for a law purporting to ban it is violating his oath and has betrayed everything the country stands for.
n0m, I don’t understand what it is that you’re having difficulty with.
A thing is what it is and not something else. A king is a king and not a president, just as a cat is a cat and not a dog. The definition of “king” does not include “has a lot of power”. A king is the state. Louis XIV was France; there was no other definition. Elizabeth II is the UK, though in her case it’s a bit more complicated since the Glorious Revolution enshrined the principle that ultimately sovereignty rests not with the Sovereign or the Crown but with Parliament, and then the Act of Settlement separated the Crown from the person of the Sovereign. Still, it remains the case that she embodies the kingdom, all her subjects owe her loyalty and everything the kingdom does is in her name.
Trump is not the United States. He is merely the executive whom the USA has hired for a few years. The entire executive power is vested in him personally, so he can say “I am the executive branch”, but he cannot truthfully say “I am the United States”. We are not his subjects, or anybody’s. If someone were to kill him, they’d be charged with murder, not with treason. And the whole basis of the USA is the utter rejection of kings, to the point that we fought two wars against that concept, and would fight again to kill anyone who would try to bring it back. Therefore it is un-American to assert that he is a king.
I also don’t understand how you can not get my point about the posuk. The posuk says why you should not curse a king — because it’s dangerous. There is no other reason. Therefore since it is NOT dangerous to curse Trump, or even QE2, the posuk’s advice is irrelevant. On the other hand in a country like China or Russia, where there may not be a king but it is dangerous to curse anyone in power, the posuk’s advice does apply.
Milhouse: I’m positing that virtually every state has housing laws that prohibit an owner, coop or condo from prohibiting a renter or owner from engaging in religious activity in their home while allowing comparable non-religious activity.
No, that is not true. Some states have such laws. Most states do not.
The scenario I described would be no different than if a landlord, coop or condo promulgated a rule or bylaw allowing all prayers except Jewish prayers.
No, it is nothing like that. Such a rule would be a violation of the federal fair housing laws. A neutral no-praying rule would not be.
Who cares how he thinks of himself? He can think he’s Napoleon for all I care. The fact is he is not a king. We do not have kings here. We fought two wars to get rid of the kings and to keep them away.
The whole concept of a king is that he is not anybody’s servant, everyone else is his servant and owes him loyalty. In a monarchy the king is the state. “L’etat c’est moi”. That is why it is treason to plot to kill him or his heir, or to interfere with their wives. In this country the constitution specifically rules that idea out; even killing the president is not treason, because he is not the state, and no loyalty is owed to him.
But the whole question is irrelevant here, because in a country with freedom of speech one may curse even a real king without fear, so the posuk’s advice doesn’t apply.
As such, housing laws would make that illegal. And those same laws would make illegal banning 9 friends from coming to one’s residence for prayer while at the same time permitting those same 9 friends from coming to that same residence for playing board games, shmoozing and/or partying — IF they don’t pray together.
No, they wouldn’t. “No prayer” is a neutral rule, and a private organization has every right to make such a rule, unless there’s a state or local law that says otherwise.
n0m, it doesn’t matter how wealthy or powerful he is, he is NOT a king. He is just another public servant, just like any janitor in a government office. There is no reason to respect him, unless you happen to think he deserves it.
And even if he were a king, there is no danger in cursing him, so yes, feel free to do so.
And TKM, your father was wrong. The whole idea is unworthy of a republic.
The title is wrong, but not because of “Melech al tekalel”. First of all, Trump is not a king.
Second, “Melech al tekalel” is not a commandment, it’s good advice. The posuk continues that the reason not to curse the king is that no matter how careful you are, you are likely to be caught. “Ki off hashomayim yolich es hakol.” If you could be sure of not being caught then you could go right ahead and curse. Now in this country we have freedom of speech, so even if we had a king we could curse him safely. (Indeed, even in the UK and most other countries with a melech, one can nowadays curse him with impunity.) And we certainly incur no risks by cursing the President. So while I don’t agree that he deserves cursing, those who think he does should feel free. That way the rest of us will know how little value we should put on their opinions.
Milhouse, is it your belief that the board of a co-op or condo can enact a bylaw prohibiting residents from praying in their home?
Yes, absolutely, unless the state has a law preventing it.
Can a co-op or condo permit Christian prayer but prohibit Jewish prayer? Could they only permit Christians to purchase a residence in the co-op or condo but prohibit Jews from joining?
No, that would violate the law against discrimination in housing.
Can a co-op or condo permit Christian prayer but prohibit Jewish prayer? Could they only permit Christians to purchase a residence in the co-op or condo but prohibit Jews from joining?
Actually, if its bylaws define it as a Christian community it probably could do that, since its free exercise and/or RFRA rights would trump the anti-discrimination laws. At least, that’s what Hobby Lobbywould suggest.
One may also speak of a “soft petal”, though it’s redundant since as far as I know all petals are soft.
And of course petel is a soft drink.
Perhaps the best contrarian indicator of the likely efficacy of the Zelenko Cocktail is that the Fox News evening lineup of Trumpkopf sycophants have dropped their nightly drumbeat for this drug
Um, no. They’ve stopped talking about it only because it’s no longer news. It’s now commonly accepted wisdom so there’s not much to talk about.
No, it is not. It is called holding him to his own standards. Having enthusiastically supported the ruin of many people based on those standards he is morally estopped from mounting a defense that is contrary to them. He has made his bed, and now he must lie in it.
It’s also one of Saul Alinksy’s better rules: Hold them to their own rules.
Here are some tough ones: “Towing the line” is a real thing that people actually do. But most of the time when you see that written it’s a mistake, and the writer meant “toeing the line”.
“Soft pedal” and “soft sell” are both valid English phrases that are not identical but very close in meaning; so it’s easy to understand how some people get confused and write “soft peddle”, which is not a valid phrase.
Now do weather, whether, and wether.
From a conservative viewpoint, why would one care about someone else’s personal life?
Nobody cares about Biden’s personal life. Ms Reade’s accusations are not about his personal life.
Nor is the fact that right up until he was the accused, he took the position that all accusers must be believed without question, and anyone accused must be ruined. He supported the kangaroo courts with which colleges destroy the lives of so many male students. He supported the utterly baseless accusations against Justice Thomas, and then years later against Justice Kavanaugh. So it’s not a matter of his personal life that when his turn has come around he and the entire Democrat Party have changed their standards. The innocent blood he has spilled in the name of believing all accusers is now crying out for justice.
Joseph, co-ops and condos are not subject to the first amendment.
Zoning boards are subject to the first amendment, but that doesn’t require them to treat religion better than any other activity; they can prevent prayer groups so long as they’re using a rule that applies equally to every comparable group.
Of more concern for zoning boards is RLUIPA, which does require special status for religion. Or if the state has a RFRA, that would have the same effect. Co-ops and condos are not subject to either of those. A co-op or condo could, in principle, ban you from davening in your own home, unless that state has a law that says otherwise.
Joseph, for a Jew wouldn’t the relevant commandment be Midvar Sheker Tirchok?
Here comes Hall the liar. Nobody has said one word in defense of Erdogan. And not only did Flynn not admit lying to Pence, doing so would not have been an offense. It certainly wouldn’t have been false witness.
Yes, it is. What’s that got to do with the price of fish in China? I stated a fact. You’re not entitled to your own.
This isn’t about minyanim or safety, it’s about the rov’s authority. The community has a rov, and he made a public psak. Members of his community needn’t agree with him, but he cannot allow them to publicly defy him. They can either comply despite their disagreement, or they can find another community to join. If he allowed them to make choizek of him and did not take such action against them, he would not be a rov but a shmatteh. How could he ever pasken anything again? This had to be done.
YY, that most are not commuting to work is not surprising at all. After all, nearly all the deaths are people over 80, and most of the hospitalizations are of people who are past retirement age. But there is nothing in the cited report to show that they were staying home.
No, huju, when General Flynn pleaded guilty he did not think he was actually guilty. And if he did at one point think so, it was only because he was given bad legal advice.
For once I’m with huju. The meridian is noon. 12AM is 12 hours before noon, i.e. midnight. And 12PM is 12 hours after noon, i.e. midnight. Noon, by definition, is neither before itself nor after itself!
Joseph says “12PM” is “universally” understood to mean noon. I wonder which universe he refers to, and how he determined this. When I see someone write 12PM I ask them what they meant.
“-theres a difference when something is inside the body and once its expelled out it changes”
No, it doesn’t. What possible mechanism would change it?
Waste product is expelled because it doesn’t belong in the body, at least not long term. It has to go, if only to make room for the new waste that is being created. The same could be said for mucus. But the bacteria you exhale are not waste product and they are not being expelled, they just happen to be in your breath when it goes out. There’s no possible harm they could do by coming back in. Millions of their identical siblings are still in your body, doing whatever they do, and a few thousand more or less makes no difference.
By the way, the home-made masks we’re wearing now are not medical masks anyway, so it doesn’t affect medical workers. The advice changed because of the emerging evidence from other countries that they are effective, not in protecting the wearer, but in protecting everyone else.
Yes, he is a far better person than you are. And by the way, Turkey is not a hostile government. At least not yet. Technically it’s still an official ally.
G, the third amendment is automatically suspended whenever the USA is at war, which for the last century has been more often than not. For instance it has not been in effect since Sep-11-2001. But this has little or no practical impact since the USA hasn’t had any need to quarter troops on civilians, even in war time. It was something the framers thought might be needed one day, but it never really was.
Avi K, you need standing to bring any suit. If the defendant is not harming you then you have no dispute to bring to the courts. And every civil suit is “monetary”. What else could it be? When you bring a civil suit you are alleging that you have suffered harm and are asking for some amount of damages, even if it’s only $1. What other kind of action do you think exists? The only other one is criminal prosecution, which can only be brought by the executive branch of the government.
Another Yiddishism that people use incorrectly in English: using “what” to mean “a thing”, or “where” to mean “a place”, as in “I have what to do”, “I have what to eat”, “I have where to eat”. People without Yiddish or German in their background do not say these things.
Then there are Yiddishisms that have not crept into English, but are sometimes used by Yiddish-speakers with imperfect English. One of my teachers used to say “lime” instead of “clay”, because in Yiddish clay is ליים, while lime is קאלך. I was very confused until I figured out what was happening.
Another teacher would say things like “he gave him a gift”, which sounded very nice but from the context was clearly not supposed to be nice at all. I soon realized that he was using the Yiddish word גיפט, which means poison. I don’t think anyone else in the class ever figured out what he was talking about.
Right, Judy Mikovits is a total nutcase, a fraud, and an alleged thief. Nothing she says should be given any consideration. Her video is garbage, which is why youtube doesn’t want it polluting their server. Since facebook, youtube, and twitter are all private companies they have the right to do that, just as YWN has the right to remove content it doesn’t like.
And yes, they also do this to valid content that they don’t like for political reasons, because they are a branch of the Democratic Party, just like the major newspapers and networks. So when they remove something it could be (a) because they didn’t like it, or (b) because it’s garbage. In this case the answer is (b).
Moshe, the difference is that in Bridgegate the Supreme Court said yes, this was a corrupt act, but it wasn’t a crime, or at least it wasn’t the crime they were convicted of. That doesn’t vindicate them, it just means they’re merely dirty rather than criminal. Whereas with Flynn the evidence is that he was truly innocent.
Nu? My point is that it’s one thing to be destroyed because you have enemies. Someone hates you so he is out to get you. That makes sense. It’s much worse when the person who destroys you has nothing against you; it’s not personal, you’re just standing between him and his target, so he destroys you. That way it doesn’t even mean anything.
1) The more I think of it the more I think “stop by my office” is correct, which inclines me to my second supposition, that it’s a form of “pass by my office”, where “by” is used in the sense of “near”. I’m still not sure about this.
It could also be influenced by the adverb sense, perhaps also with some influence from the German/Yiddish, so it is being used as a preposition in this one instance. Still, this usage is confined to a location, not a person. So even if one can say “by my house” with verbs other than “stop”, one could not say “by me”. That is just an anglicization of the German/Yiddish “bei mir”.
2) Again, that definition specifies that it is an adverb, not a preposition. “By” is the way in which you are stopping. Its referent is the verb, not a location. Its definition is “at or to another’s home”. So it’s not “please stop by my home”, it’s just “please stop by”, which automatically implies the location where the person is to stop by.
Joseph, the government cannot suspend the constitution, ever. And there is nothing in the constitution allowing for the suspension of any rights, except habeas corpus and the third amendment. Congress (not the president) can suspend habeas “when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it”, and the third is automatically suspended whenever the USA is at war (which nowadays is almost constantly). I don’t recall any other such provisions in the constitution, so the rest of it applies in all circumstances.
Right, yes, nazi propaganda. Many “proud Jewish radio hosts” aren’t above dabbling in such sources, or are dupes.
GH, Flynn is not only completely innocent, but a far better person than you are. The same applies to Hall. I would take Flynn over you in any situation.
The worst thing is that Flynn wasn’t even a target himself. The only reason these criminals destroyed him was that he was an obstacle to their conspiracy against the President, so they had to remove him. They deliberately set him up and took him out, so they would have a clear field to undermine their boss the President, to whom they owed loyalty.
Edited. Nu?
I threw my wife out the window the newspaper.
I think that usage comes directly from German.
On the contrary, there is no constitutional right not to be vaccinated, and a momentary jab is hardly a serious hardship. It makes perfect sense that the states’ police power includes it. Nobody disputes that the states are entitled to impose reasonable safety regulations i — but they may not do so at the expense of any constitutionally protected right. The bill of rights has no escape clause for emergencies.
Right, maybe this will explain it. All the predictions you are bringing up were NOT predicting anything as severe as what has happened. They were all referring to the normal kind of pandemic that happens regularly, which is often (Ibut not always) a coronavirus, and often (but not always) from China.
That’s why the Chinese were researching it in the first place. A Chinese lab researching coronaviruses is like a California lab researching earthquakes, or a Florida lab researching hurricanes. It’s something that happens regularly, it’s never good, and every once in a while it’s really really bad. So it makes perfect sense to research it and try to find ways to prevent it and to mitigate the damage when it happens.
Nobody could have predicted that this particular episode would be as bad as it has been, any more than anyone can predict that the next San Francisco earthquake will be The Big One. But everyone knows that some kind of earthquake will happen soon, and everyone knows that The Big One will come one day. So when it does come, will you point to everyone who was talking about earthquake preparedness and accuse them of having engineered it?!
“So” at the beginning of a sentence fills the same function as “Hinei” in Hebrew. The technical term is “discourse marker”.