Milhouse

Meh, apple sauce, sour cream, how about IN SANDWICHES? A latke sandwich is the best.

doomsday: 0.25 per 1,000 died of Pediarix ALONE. But US Babies get MULTIPLE vaccines at 2 months, 4 months,
and 6 months so their SIDS rate was even higher then babies who only got Pediarix in the vaccine trials.

No. 0 out of 1,000 died of Pediarix. 0.25 out of 1,000 died after receiving Pediarix, which is about how many you would expect to die in that period no matter what.

And of course those babies did not get only Pediarix. They got all the normal vaccines as well, except the ones that Pediarix was designed to replace. The whole point of the trial was to see whether Pediarix did better than those other vaccines. They still needed to be protected from those diseases Pediarix doesn’t deal with, so they got everything else. And only 0.25 out of 1,000 died, which means Pediarix didn’t kill any of them.

And 90% of SIDS death “just happen” to occur during the 6 months when newborn babies are given multiple vaccines three times. What a Coincidence

Yes, it is a coincidence. Those are the same months that babies were dying for millennia before there were any vaccines.

Just like it is a “Coincidence” that Children get Autism right after their vaccinations

Again, that is when autistic children have always started showing symptoms, ever since the creation of the world, so yes, it is a coincidence.

ProVaxxers claim that vaccines only cause 1 in a Million deaths. But the vaccine trials of ONE vaccine showed a death rate 1:4,000. Which is the normal rate of crib death, with or without vaccines. The vaccines did not add anything to the expected number.

And Babies don’t get one vaccine at a time but 7-8 vaccines at a time so the death rate from vaccine is even higher then 1:4,000!

Again, no. The background crib death rate remains the same no matter how many vaccines are added, because vaccines do not kill babies (at least not in numbers measurable in a normal-scaled trial).

Prior to 1960s when Infant Vaccines became widespread, “crib death” as it was known was so RARE that it wasn’t even listed in infant mortality statistics!

More lies. Before the ’60s it was much more common for children to die for no known reason than it is now. It was just accepted that babies die. And that’s all crib death or SIDS is.

Folks, the ProVaxxers can’t dispute the PROOF that Dr. Scheibner produced:

Sure we can. I dispute it.

The ProVaxxers can’t dispute that studies published in the Most Prestigious Medical Journals all support Dr. Scheibner’s findings.

Yes, we can. If these studies existed that found the same things you say she did, you wouldn’t even need to mention her. You’d just cite them directly.

How can a Judge say the Parents brought sufficient proof that it is most likely their babies SIDS were caused by vaccines and in the same breath deny that vaccines present a substantial risk of SIDS???

He didn’t say that at all. On the contrary, he said the parents presented sufficient evidence and testimony to entitle them to compensation. That is all. They’re entitled to the money they applied for. They did not present evidence that vaccines present a substantial risk of SIDS.

You just answered your own question on what caused the number of SIDS to drop – they started attributing Babies dying in their sleep to OTHER causes such as “UNKNOWN Cause”

That is SIDS. There are not two categories.

the Number of Babies Dying in their Sleep was basically the Same – even after the “Back to Sleep” Campaign!

More lies. The number went down dramatically. The biggest proof that the drop is directly attributable to this message is that Australians got it a decade earlier and experienced a dramatic drop. For some reason it took ten years for American parents to get the same message, but lo and behold, as soon as they got it the same drop happened. In total deaths, not deaths written off as unexplained, which is what SIDS means. Any chart you’ve seen that says otherwise is fraudulent.

LA Mom posted that two of her friends children fell into a vegetative state after vaccination.
I Did Not Interchange Autism and Vegetative State as you Lie!

Um, yes, you did. In reply #1638039 you did exactly that. You wrote that LA Mother’s fantastic story made sense because autism runs in families.

By the way, just in case Doomsday doesn’t realize this, the 113th Congress no longer exists. The 115th is nearing its end, and in a month the 116th will be sworn in. So this bill no longer exists either.

USA has one of the highest infant mortality of developed nations.

Yes, it does. This is due primarily to: (1) Demographics. The USA’s demographics are very different from those of Europe, and this obviously affects all medical statistics; (2) More babies being born alive. In Europe it’s first of all more likely that a baby with serious problems will not be born in the first place, but also in many countries a baby that dies within hours of birth will be counted as stillborn.

Even Cuba has better Infant Mortality!

Garbage. Cuban medical statistics are just like all their other statistics. The Cuban “medical miracle” is achieved exactly the same way that Mussolini made the trains run on time, and that Hitler achieved his “economic miracle” in the mid-1930s. When you publish the statistics you can write whatever you like. The German economy did not really boom in the mid-’30s, the Italian trains did not really run on time, and Cuban medicine, which before Castro was among the best in the world, is now nothing like that.

Per the Constitution, ONLY Parents have the right to make decisions for their child unless that parent was found to be unfit after having a Trial and Jury.

That is just not true.

Congress requested from the CDC a Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed Study, but the CDC refuses.

This is a specific, provable claim, so you have a chance to verify your credibility. When did Congress make this request? In other words, on what date did the joint resolution pass either house, and what is its number? Was there any response from the CDC, and if so when, and what was it? Put up or shut up.

Viera Scheibner is not a medical doctor, knows nothing at all about medicine, and her claims are ridiculous. There is no reason for anyone to debate her, any more than one would debate some bum off the street. Crib death has been happening since long before the first vaccine was ever invented, and over the last few decades, while vaccination rates keep rising dramatically, crib death rates keep falling (as one would expect, since we’re finding the causes of some deaths, and either preventing them or recording them as caused by whatever caused them, rather than the catch-all SIDS).

Pediarix Vaccine kills 1:4,000 Babies – Per Pediarix Vaccine Insert!
Quote from Pediarix Insert:
The rate of sids among all recipients of pediarix across the 14 trials was 0.25/1,000

I cannot believe doomsday’s sheer chutzpah. 0.25 per 1,000 of babies who got Pediarix died; the normal rate of SIDS in the US over that period was 1.2 per 1,000. 1.2 over the course of the few months in which SIDS is common is very compatible with 0.25 over the course of 30 days out of those few months. So the Pediarix babies died at about the same rate as all babies do. Therefore none of them died because of the vaccine.

1:4,000 is NOT 1:Million as CDC LIES! And that is just from ONE vaccine – but babies get MULTIPLE vaccines
at one time so the rate is likely higher.

1:4000 is indeed not 1:1M. Nobody ever said it was. Nobody ever suggested that measles is as deadly as all the various unknown risks that together make up the SIDS death rate. If we knew what those risks were, and could vaccinate against them we would. And you would be resisting and refusing and condemning those babies to death. But that is not “from one vaccine”. NONE of those deaths were linked to the vaccine in any way but that they happened within the next 30 days, and presumably no more than 1/30 of them happened within 24 hours of the vaccine being administered. These babies didn’t get just one vaccine, they got all the normal ones as well, so even if vaccines did have such an effect the rate wouldn’t be any higher from multiple vaccines.

Basically you’re a deliberate liar, actively trying to persuade people to kill their children by neglect. Shame on you.

Vaccines are NOT safety tested the same way Medicine is. There are NO PLACEBO Tests comparing Vaxxed to Unvaxxed like MUST be done for all other new medicine by LAW!

Another lie. Where no known efficacious vaccine exists for a disease, any newly developed vaccine is tested against a placebo. Where a vaccine already exists and is known to work, of course it would be unethical to test a new and improved vaccine against a control group that is completely unvaccinated. The control group in such a test is of course given the already-proven vaccine, to see whether the new one is better and/or safer.

There are thousands of children who died within hours of getting vaccinated.
No, there are not.

There are Hundreds of Thousands of children who regressed into autism after being vaccinated.
No, there are not.

And there are DOCTORS who WITNESSED it!
No, there are not.

Lo dubim velo ya`ar.

I know because I davened for her…

That makes even less sense than “I know because I’m a mother”. Davening does wonderful things lemaaloh, but one thing it definitely doesn’t do is give one ruach hakodesh.

Millhouse, what if a vaxxed vs unvaxxed shows ALL these diseases are FAR MORE common in vaccinated children then unvaccinated?

What if a “study’ showed the moon was made of cheese?

the recent report by the Departmen of Justice that hate-crimes have inreased 57 percent since the new administration took office

There is no such report. You refer to a report by the ADL, which has been completely debunked, because it includes many crimes that were proven not to have been motivated by antisemitism at all, as well as antisemitic crimes committed by enemies of the new administration.

But Dept. of Health says that Fewer then 1% of Vaccine Adverse Events Are Reported!

That is not true. The Dept of Health has never said such a thing. Doomsday is citing an unsupported statement from one report written by two authors, not an official statement or position adopted by the DOH. If it’s meant as a general statement about the level of reporting in the US, then it’s not clear where these two authors got this information.

Alternatively, they may simply be referring to their own study of 1.4M vaccine doses, of 45 vaccines, given to 376K individuals, over the course of 41 months. They report that they identified 35K possible reactions, so perhaps they simply mean that only 350 of these were reported to VAERS.

Note very well that they are not referring to events that were verified to have been caused by the vaccines. They’re simply adverse events that happened subsequent to vaccines. That’s all VAERS is; every report in there is simply something that happened after a vaccine, and therefore may or may not have been caused by it. But by studying the practices of one chain of clinics these two may have found (it’s not clear) that in practice doctors tend to report only those events they seriously think might be related to the vaccines.

At any rate this is certainly not any sort of basis for supposing deaths subsequent to vaccines were not reported by doctors at these clinics, or aren’t reported by doctors generally. And the fact that an event, including death, is reported is not evidence that it was caused by a vaccine.

shragi schiff: Their effectiveness is highly doubtful given that the first vaccine was invented in 1796 and measles wasn’t declared eradicated in the US until over 200 years later!

Another fool heard from. The measles vaccine was not invented in 1796, you fool. It was first introduced in 1963, the second dose was introduced in 1990, and by 1997 measles was effectively eradicated from the US. That’s not 200 years.

Vaccinator: “Yep, you heard it here first: AVOCADOS CAUSE AUTISM!! ”

Also green jelly beans. (If you don’t get the reference, search for “xkcd” and “significant”)

Yes, Daas Yochid, Chabad not only has extra yomim tovim but an extra rosh hashono. And it’s well known that when a certain rov complained to R Chaim Ozer that the chassidim are contradicting the mishneh which says there are only four roshei shonim, R Chaim Ozer replied ruefully: ביי זיי קומט צו און ביי אונז ווערט וויניגער. “They get more and we get less”.

” People have used nutrition and supplements to cure cancer and other diseases ”

More lies. No, they have not. People who treat cancer with “nutrition and supplements” are called corpses, and suicides at that.

“If autism is “genetic” how did the autism rate go from 1:10,000 in 1970s to 1:59 today???”

It didn’t. Most of that increase is simply more sensitive diagnosis. The rest of it is likely to be due to an increase in the number of couples carrying the genes, as carriers meet and marry each other. But there are many unknown factors at play; the one thing we know beyond all doubt is <i>not</i> a factor is vaccines. It’s been studied so intensely that if there were any truth to it, the evidence would have been found by now.

And I repeat: VAERS is not proof of anything. <i>Nothing</i> in VAERS is confirmed. It’s all simply reports of bad things that happened after vaccines, without any reason to suppose the vaccines had anything to do with them.

Doomsday, stop lying. Everything you wrote is a lie. Name one case where the vaccine court paid out for autism.

It depends what you mean by NK. The old NK, under R Amrom, was 100% within yiddishkeit, and any difference one might have with them was the same as any difference of opinion within Torah. Now it’s my understanding that the majority of NK are still like that, but the Hirsch meshugo’im have so thoroughly besmirched their name that they just keep their head down and stick to what they believe is right.

Hirsch was simply a paid traitor to am yisroel. He’s just like Yishmoel ben Nesanya yimash shemo, and there is nothing more to be said about him. His followers are either traitors like him, or else crazy people who are not responsible for their actions. I think that is most of them; 50 or so unbalanced people whom he misled onto an evil path and they follow it like robots, without the mental capacity to reason their way off it.

<checks box> Indeed it is Get the Macguffin. 2-11 players, 5-10 minutes, lots of fun and very little thought required. Just the thing to relax with after a 3-hour game of Terraforming Mars.

Another recent game that’s pretty, easy to learn, and a lot harder than it looks is Azul.

The whole question doesn’t start. Those rabbonim who assered it started from the premise that it’s a goyisher holiday, but that is simply not true. It’s an America holiday, and from the very beginning Americans have included yidden. Since the first time President Washington proclaimed a day of thanksgiving to the Creator (carefully not specifying any identifying traits that would limit it to one religion) Jewish Americans celebrated it equally with non-Jewish ones. So it’s just as much a yiddisher holiday as a goyisher one.

As for setting up a “moed”, there’s a long Jewish tradition of doing exactly that. Each community has many days that they celebrate or fast every year to remember this or that thing that happened since the time of Chazal. OK, this one does not commemorate any specific event, it’s just to thank Hashem for the harvest; it’s a late Sukkos, adapted for a very different climate and agricultural cycle than Eretz Yisroel. Surely that makes it better, not worse.