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I still tell the plumber what needs to be fixed.
Setting an appointment time is the same with the plumber as with the cleaner; neither of us can impose a time on the other, we have to negotiate a time that suits both of us. If I tell the cleaner to come Wednesdays from 9-1, and she’s busy then, I can’t make her come. And if the plumber tells me she’s available Tuesday between 11 and 4 and it doesn’t work for me, she can’t make me accept it. In both cases they tell me when they’re available, I tell them when I’m available, and we either find something that works for both or I look for someone else.
And what about the personal trainer, massage therapist, piano teacher, gardener, etc? The relationship is the same with all of them. So why is the cleaner different?
coffee addict, wages are also tax deductible. Perhaps you mean that employees have to pay taxes on wages, while if they get a donation they do not pay taxes on it.
akumerma, how could the government know whether you’re overpaying someone?
Simple: Business is business and tzedoka is tzedoka. In a business you buy and sell at market rates. You make a profit, with which you can help people.
So send them some fly paper.
It’s called Ba’er Hetev…
If “normal” and “typical” are not exact synonyms, they’re very close to it. Each is included in the other’s dictionary definition. I suppose “typical” is a little narrower than “normal”. For instance, one could say that although left-handedness in humans is atypical, it is within the normal range. But by any definition autism is abnormal.
RebYidd, I don’t know whether that was meant as satire, but “neurotypical” is just a fancy word for “normal”; that’s what it means. Autists are abnormal, and there’s nothing wrong with saying so.
What is the bracha on conjured-up fruit?
Collect the drool of a recently vaccinated child, put it in a 300 ml bottle of water and shake well. Then pour some of this water into a similar bottle and shake. Repeat several more times. Finally, with an eye dropper, carefully transfer one drop of the final water into a shot of scotch for adults, or grape juice for children, say lechayim, and all your vaccine-derived illnesses will disappear.
bais hillel: Have you ever studied the Science and Principles of Homeopathy?
There is no science in homeopathy. The basic principle of homeopathy is that you cure a disease by ingesting a tiny amount of something that causes similar symptoms, the tinier the better, so that the strongest homeopathic “remedies” are actually pure water, with no active ingredient in them at all.
Homeopaths believe that if you put a little of something in water and shake it up, the whole water gets the power of that little bit, but even stronger, and if you then dilute that water with more water and shake it up some more the whole mixture will be even stronger, etc. Therefore the strongest “remedies” end up being pure water, without even one molecule of the original ingredient that is supposed to be able to cure the disease.
Homeopathic “aspirin” would be stirring a swimming pool with a willow branch, and then pouring a jar of that water into another swimming pool, repeat ten times, and then drink some water from the last pool. Or a homeopathic remedy based on a herb that grows on a mountain would be to drink water from a stream that flows on the other side of the same mountain. Obviously this is pure magic, and cannot possibly be believed by any rational person.
The good thing about homeopathy is that just as it can’t possibly help, it also can’t possibly do harm. Homeopathic remedies are completely safe, and completely useless. They’re pure water.
And no, there are NO genuine, double-blind studies that show its effectiveness. Not a single one. Homeopaths will tell you there are, but go find them. They don’t exist. Just like the genuine studies that find a link between vaccines and autism, which also don’t exist.
“We just received a letter from the CDC asking us to close this thread.”
I assume this is a joke. Because if it isn’t, you’ve fallen for a hoax. But I’m sure it is a joke.
Doomsday, your understanding of what happened to Galileo is just as FALSE as your understanding of vaccines. Almost every single “fact” you wrote about Galileo is wrong.
Folks, today is December TWELVE not December SECOND. And on December Eleven I wrote TWICE: “Why won’t CDC do the Retrospective Study as had been requested by Congressmen???”
So? How does that change the fact that you lied, twice, on the second?
Seriously, the purpose of milk in coffee is to dissolve the bitter oils, which are not soluble in water. Therefore using low- or non-fat milk defeats the purpose.
In the morning.
Folks, More Proof that ProVaxxers on this Thread are Liars! I wrote CONGRESSMEN not CONGRESS which is 100% TRUE!
No, you didn’t, not until you were called on it.
December 2, 2018 10:56 am Reply #1635169 (page 8)
“Congress has requested that CDC do this study, but CDC REFUSES!”December 2, 2018 5:06 pm Reply #1635380 (page 8)
“Congress requested that the CDC do this study, but CDC adamantly refuses.”Doomsday lies again.
Sariray, people who are specifically known to be allergic to specific vaccines should not receive them. But do you deny peanuts to normal babies who are not known to be allergic, just in case? On the contrary, it’s important for babies to be exposed to peanuts early, so they’re less likely to develop an allergy. The same applies to vaccines. Unless a child is known to be allergic to a specific vaccine, it should be given; those who are allergic will have to rely on herd immunity for whichever disease they couldn’t be vaccinated against, which means they depend on everyone else to be vaccinated.
You don’t make sense! There are many medicines that were tested for safety. But if you take 7-8 medicines AT SAME TIME it can be Deadly.
How? What is the mechanism by which medicines which are individually safe, and which have no known interaction with each other, can magically become deadly simply because a large number of them are taken at the same time?
Folks, it is Scientifically IMPOSSIBLE for Autism to go from 1:10,000 in 1970s to 1:50 today because of Genetics!
It didn’t. It was never 1:10K. There has been a significant increase, which very likely is due entirely to genetics. There is no need to suppose anything else.
2cents: You asked why the CDC doesnt comply with Confresses eequest, this has been discussed that there was no request by Congress.
Congressman Bill Posey and Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney have repeatedly asked CDC officials to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study. CDC refuses.
Posey and Maloney are not Congress. The CDC has no reason to pay them any attention.
Congressman Posey and Congresswoman Maloney proposed a
Law to FORCE CDC to do a Vaxxed vs UnVaxxed Study “Vaccine Safety Study Act”. But because Pharmaceutical Industry is the Biggest BRIBER of Congress, this Law was not passed.More deliberate outright lies and slander. You have no right to accuse anyone of criminal activity without evidence. Or I will accuse you right here of murder, robbery, mugging, and removing the tags from mattresses.
The bill (not a law) was buried in committee not because of any alleged bribery, but because it had absolutely no merit. There was never any reason to expect anything else. Or are you next going to suggest that bills proposed by congressmen can automatically be expected to pass, and there’s something unusual about this one getting thrown in the garbage where it belonged?
Doomsday: It is against the LAW for a substance to be labeled “X-Free” to contain ANY “trace amounts” of X
Millhouse: No, it is not. One more doomsday lie.
Yes, it is. Another Millhouse Lie.
No, doomsday, it really isn’t. There is no such law as you claim. Look it up, or ask someone who actually knows the law and they will tell you. You are ignorant and delusional, and just make up laws which do not exist.
You asked why the CDC doesnt comply with Confresses eequest, this has been discussed that there was no request by Congress.
Yes, when this was exposed she simply switched claims, and now says the study was requested by congressmen. Which is perfectly true, but irrelevant, because there’s nothing special about a nut who happens to be in Congress, and no reason the CDC should pay such a person’s delusional rantings any special attention.
It is against the LAW for a substance to be labeled “X-Free” to contain ANY “trace amounts” of X
No, it is not. One more doomsday lie.
Why won’t CDC do the Retrospective Study as had been requested by Congressmen???
Let’s get one thing off the table, because you keep dragging it up. The fact that one of the nutcases who make stupid demands from the CDC happens to be a congressman is irrelevant. Why the **** should the CDC do something just because one congressman demands it? Since when does getting elected to Congress give someone a right to make demands of the CDC?
If Congress asked for a study it would be done. In fact Congress could simply pass a bill requiring it, and the CDC would have no choice. But despite your earlier lie, Congress never made such a request, let alone a demand. So the CDC had no reason to do it.
A vaxxed vs unvaxxed study is:
Vaccinateded per CDC Schedule vs 100% UnVaccinated
That’s ridiculous. Though since your entire position is ridiculous, what’s one more thing? It’s a moving goalpost. The CDC schedule changes regularly. So if they did such a study ten years ago you’d say it was no longer valid, and if they do it now you’ll say it’s invalid as soon as the schedule changes.
But the whole premise is stupid, because it’s impossible that “vaccination” as a general concept could damage anyone. Any damage must be done by some individual vaccine, so it only makes sense to test that specific vaccine for whatever harm it is that it’s alleged to be doing.
Dr E, old school yidden would never blow out a candle. It’s considered a terrible thing, though you’ll hear various reasons given, which is a sign that nobody really knows why.
Has anyone else noticed doomsday’s flim-flam? S/he keeps demanding a retrospective study of vaxxed vs unvaxxed children, but keeps shifting the definitions. If a child has received even one vaxx, no matter what it is, s/he insists it can’t be included in the unvaxxed set, but if you try including it in the vaxxed set s/he’ll complain too. S/he’s never said how many shots a kid must have had to be included in the vaxxed set, but however many it is, these must be contrasted to those with no shots at all.
S/he also completely ignores the fact that the MMR vaccine is the only one suspected of causing autism, so the only logical structure for a study is those who got it v those who didn’t. Which has been done, but s/he rejects it because the unvaxxed set did get other shots, ones that are not</me> suspected, even by anti-vaxxers, of causing autism.
The truth about Bernard Greenberg can be found by searching for “thomas w kavanagh” and “bernard greenberg”.
Bottom line: Greenberg (not a medical doctor) never testified before Congress, but at a conference in 1960 (before the Sabin vaccine) he pointed out that the statistics on the Salk vaccine’s effectiveness were not clear, so we would have to wait and see whether the decline continued or was just a statistical artifact, and also we should look for a better vaccine. Both of these things happened. The Sabin vaccine replaced the Salk, and the decline in polio continued dramatically, until polio was completely eradicated, thus proving that it was not due to the redefinition in the mid-’50s.
Yash Paul’s paper was published in 2006. His predictions proved very wrong. Contrary to his dismissal of the idea that previous eradication efforts had failed because large pockets of unvaccinated children continued to carry the virus, that proved to be exactly the case. By concentrating on Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, and the routes migrant workers took to and from those states, polio was completely eradicated from India by 2011.
Yes, the oral vaccine does cause some cases of polio, but far fewer than it prevents, so as long as the wild virus is prevalent it must be used; once it has been completely eradicated from a region it becomes time to switch to a less effective but safer vaccine, which has now been done, just as it has in the US and Europe. Nobody here gets the oral vaccine any more, but if we hadn’t been given it when we were kids polio would still be ravaging us.
And yes, unexplained polio-like illnesses do seem to be on the rise at the moment. They are not polio; they test negative for the polio virus. Once we figure out what they are we will develop vaccines for them too. Meanwhile there is no evidence at all that the polio vaccine has anything to do with them. It’s just wild speculation by irresponsible people.
According to Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of the Department of Biostatistics of the University of North Carolina School of Public Health:
Stop lying right there. Where is this supposed claim of his? When did he make it, and what exactly did he say, and how do you know? I am telling you he never said any such thing. If he said it he would have been lying, but there’s no evidence that he ever said it in the first place. The entire testimony appears to have been made up.
are you a pediatrician that get paid for vaccinating your patients?
Pediatricians do not get paid much for vaccinations; they often lose money on them.
Suzanne Humphries didn’t just turn anti-vaxx, she renounced medicine altogether and became a homeopath. Which means any sane person would run far away from her. Ironically the whole basis of homeopathy is the (ridiculous) idea that you can cure diseases by giving the patient a very tiny (really non-existent) amount of the very thing that (allegedly) causes that disease. In other words, vaccination.
I’d bet, though, that she makes far more money today than she did as a real doctor.
Ok so polio went down in India.
Not “went down”. E L I M I N A T E D. Immediately after full immunization was achieved. And despite the use of DDT. Therefore Suzanne Humphrey’s bizarre hypothesis is completely exploded.
But polio like illnesses have been on the rise .
So what? Those are not polio. The polio virus is not present in those cases. There are many diseases we do not yet understand, and have no vaccine for. In the normal course of events some of them rise in incidence, while some decline. There is no dramatic rise or decline in polio-like illnesses.
cmberzon, how can you possibly have thought the gemora in Beitza is talking about two pieces of bread, when it explicitly says it is talking about eating bread with porridge?
ודייסא לא מלפתא דאמר ר׳ זירא הני בבלאי טיפשאי דאכלי נהמא בנהמאThat there is no practice doesn’t make it wrong. Moreover, Judaism does teach us להוציא יקר מזולל, and about the advantage of light that comes from darkness, יתרון האור (הבא) מתוך החושך. It’s a catchy song, everyone sings it, and by changing just four words it is transformed from a statement of kefirah to one of emunah.
Again:
מי ימלל גבורות הקל, אותם מי ימנה
הן בכל דור יקים הגבור, גואל העם.
שמע! בימים ההם בזמן הזה, אלוקים מושיע ופודה
ובימינו כל עם ישראל יתאחד ישוב ויגאלpolio had always been a normal gut bacteria.
Polio is a virus, not a bacterium.
In fact, polio has NOT been eradicated in India, the country that still has DDT in use, in spite of HUGE vaccination rate of polio-
Yes, it has.
it is said that children there receive more than a dozen polio vaccines.
Said by whom? Liars and kooks like Suzanne Humphries ?
Yes, the Zionists 100 years ago turned Chanukah into a celebration of כחי ועוצם ידי, the exact opposite of what it was about throughout our history. But the question we’re discussing here is not about that. The question here is that since there were two miracles, which one should be the ikkar of the celebration, and why does it seem that the author of Ve’al Hanissim had a different view than the one we hold today.
Speaking of which, however, let me point out that the heretical Zionist song מי ימלל, which in its original words is surely chazer treif, can be made kosher simply by changing four words. Here is a kosher version (stressed syllables capitalized):
MI yemaLEL geVOOrot haKEL, oTAM mi YIMneh?
HEN bechol DOR yaKIM hagiBOR go’EL ha’am.
HO! BAyamim haHEm bazman haZEH
Elokim moSHIa ufoDEH
Uvyamenu KOL am yisraEL
YIT’ached yaSHUV veyiga’EL.akuperma, <i> Ha-Shem got upset at us for being too happy when Ha-Shem drowned the Egyptians</i>
No, he did not. On the contrary, the gemora you refer to explicitly says that Hashem completely approved of our celebration and shira, and objected only when the angels joined in. The gemora’s exact words are הוא אינו שש אבל אחרים משיש , “He does not rejoice, but He makes others rejoice”.
May I suggest that the reason for the discrepancy is that when the BHMK stood the emphasis was indeed on the victory, and Ve’al Hanisim dates from that time, but after the churban, when we no longer had the benefits of the victory, that aspect became less important, but we still have the spiritual benefits of the miracle, so that is now the main focus of the celebration.
cmberzon, “Hani Bavli Tipsho’i” refers to the Bavli habit of eating bread with kutach, or with porridge or other grain-based foods. NOT with actual bread. Whoever told you it meant literally two identical pieces of bread was falsifying pshat in gemoroh
Hey ProVaxxers who attack Dr. Scheibner for not being a Medical Doctor (but she is a research scientist in geology). Do you use Light Bulbs?
Good grief.
First of all, what sort of “research scientist” is she in geology? What does it even mean? The only research to be done in micropalaeontology is analyzing a static fossil record to derive new conclusions. How can that give one even the slightest clue how to conduct medical research on whether a biological process is happening and if so what might be the causes? The whole post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy wouldn’t even come up in her field, because everything (supposedly) happened thousands or millions of years ago.
Second, we use light bulbs because they work, not because we trust Edison. Edison is irrelevant. It doesn’t matter who invented the incandescent bulb, or how. For all we care it could have been a five-year-old putting things together at random. But you are demanding that we believe this geologist’s medical findings because of her credentials, which for this field are non-existent.
If a janitor claimed to have conducted a medical study and found surprising results that contradict what we know of medicine, everyone would laugh. Well, she’s no better than a janitor. If her findings were true someone else would have found them too, and if that had happened you’d be citing them, not her.
Ditto for these supposed papers in legit journals that you claim found the same things as her; if they did, you’d cite them and you wouldn’t bother with her. The fact that you keep citing her proves that these supposed papers don’t exist.
ZionGate, my father says the same thing. To him sandwiches are only for making a meal portable. He doesn’t get the whole idea of eating sandwiches when you’re at home and can eat the bread and other things separately.
cmberzon, ZionGate had it right. The “stupid Bavlim” did not eat two pieces of bread together! That really would be stupid. They ate bread dipped in Kutach, which is a fermented sauce made mostly from yoghurt, stale bread, and salt . (Think of soy sauce, which is mostly soy beans, wheat, and salt.) This of course makes perfect sense, but in EY they made fun of it.
The number of measles deaths declined from 7575 in 1920 (10,000 per year in many years in the 1910s) to an average of 432 each year from 1958-1962.
So according to you there should have been 4320 deaths from measles between 2005 and 2014. Instead, you say
The vaccine was introduced in 1963. Between 2005 and 2014, there have been no deaths from measles in the U.S.
That isn’t quite true. There were something like five deaths from measles in that period. But close enough.
and 108 deaths from the MMR vaccine.
Wrong. As far as anyone can tell, there were NO deaths from the MMR vaccine.
These numbers are from the CDC.
No, they’re not. That last figure is from VAERS, not the CDC. And VAERS does not list events caused by the vaccine, it lists reports (which can be made by anyone) of events that happened to occur after a vaccine. So over the course of ten years, a bit under 11 deaths a year were reported of babies who just so happened to have received their routine MMR vaccine within the previous month.
Of course we know that many more than 11 babies die every year within a month of being vaccinated. It would be astonishing — miraculous — if there were really so few infant deaths, from all causes, over the course of a month, in the whole USA. But in 11 cases a year someone thought to file a report. Perhaps a lawyer who wanted to sue. Or some conscientious doctor who wanted there to be a record because that’s what VAERS is for, and it’s useless as a research if people won’t file reports just because it’s obvious to them that a baby drowning in a pool is not connected to the shot she got three weeks ago.
<i> If immunizations were responsible for the diminishing or disappearance of these diseases in the United States, one must ask why they disappeared simultaneously in Europe, where mass immunizations did not take place.</i>
One mustn’t ask it, because it isn’t true.
Perhaps I should explain a little about the Radvaz v the Chasam Sofer, and where Reb Moshe stood.
The Radvaz held that there was never any gezera against cholov nochri. It simply never happened. Lahadam. Chazal simply pointed out that in the metzius of their day there was a ch’shash about milk being adulterated, and since sofek d’oraisa lechumra one must be careful. Where the metzius is that there is no such ch’shash, one may drink cholov nochri. So according to him there is no problem at all in the US. You can buy milk from a farm, or wherever you like, and the whole siman in shulchon oruch is not relevant.
The Chasam Sofer held that cholov nochri is forbidden by a gezeiras Chazal, a dovor shebeminyan, and therefore even if we know there’s no ch’shash of treif, it’s inherently treif, just like chicken parmesan.
Reb Moshe absolutely agrees with the Chasam Sofer, and therefore says there is no heter whatsoever to drive up to a non-Jewish farm and buy a jar of fresh milk. Even though we don’t suspect anything, Chazal forbade it.
However, he says, there are two important caveats:
1. We do not need to physically see the milking with our own eyes. What we need is a clear and definite knowledge that the milk did not come from a treife animal. The Torah considers clear and definite knowledge to be the same as physical sight. It allows eidus where the witnesses didn’t actually see what they are testifying to, but they know with absolute certainty that it happened.
2. Chazal only made their gezera on the last nochri to whom the milk belonged before it came into Jewish possession. So we only need this absolute certainty about the last nochri in the chain of ownership; with the rest of the nochrim in the chain there is no gezera, so it’s simply a question of whether there is a real ch’shash, in which case sofek d’oraisa lechumra, or there is no real ch’shash, in which case it’s heter gomur.
Therefore it comes out that if you buy a sealed tamper-proof carton of milk from a bodega, you are completely certain, as if you saw it with your own eyes, that from the time it was delivered to the bodega nobody put anything inside. Any problem must have happened earlier. Since we have no reason to suspect anything did happen earlier, and we have eidus that nothing happened in the bodega owner’s reshus, Reb Moshe holds that it has a din of cholov yisroel. (The term “cholov stam” does not exist in halocho, and certainly Reb Moshe never uses it. I don’t know where this term came from.)
Sounds delicious, but I meant poshut kipshuto, a latke between two slices of bread, with or without condiments.
Daas Yochid, yes, Reb Moshe rejects the Pri Chodosh (which is really the Radvaz, I don’t know why people attribute it to the Pri Chodosh) and declares that all Ashkenazim hold like the Chasam Sofer. His shita is 100% like the Chasam Sofer, that this is a dovor shebeminyon. Indeed his whole shita depends on this. But he makes much of the fact that at a commercial processing plant it’s impossible to adulterate the milk without having to bribe people to keep their mouths shut, and since there’s no profit to be made nobody will pay such bribes. He is very clear that if it is profitable then we must assume inspectors can and will be bribed.
Reb Moshe’s heter seems to have developed over time, but if you learn the teshuvos, especially the third one with all the lomdus, it turns out in the end that one can forget about government inspection altogether. It was a factor in the first teshuva, but once he spelled out his whole shita it no longer seems necessary. Even if there were no inspection at all, the same reasoning would continue to permit all commercially produced milk in a sealed tamper-proof container, so long as it is purchased from a non-Jewish retailer.
To understand this you really need to learn it inside. I don’t personally rely on this shita, but it is not nearly as simplistic as people (both who use it and who don’t) make it out to be. It’s certainly not driven by looking for a kulla. Rather, Reb Moshe held that this is what Chazal really meant all along.
Although I neither oppose vaccines nor rely on Reb Moshe’s heter for commercial milk, let me point out that this heter does not depend on trusting the government. On the contrary, Reb Moshe takes for granted that government inspectors can be bribed, and will be if there’s any money to be made from it. His heter for commercial milk rests on several factors, one of which — but not the most important one — is that in the setting of a large commercial plant it’s impossible to do anything wrong on any significant scale without bribing people not to report it, so it will only be done when it’s profitable. Substituting non-kosher milk for kosher at the plant is not profitable, so it’s not worth paying the bribes that are necessary to hide it.
<i> so I guess Chanukah dinners were dairy (</i>
Yes, eating dairy foods on Chanukah is a much more authentic tradition than eating potato anything. It’s in memory of the miracle of Judith and Holofernes, which somehow got associated in the popular imagination with Chanukah