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Ha, I said a guy would spend all day on a Maharsha, not on a jewishfeminist02 comment. But I wish you all the best in your learning and growth never the less. Be well….
jewishfeminist02: I’m sorry, but I disagree with everything you just said. Gamanit: I am sure there are many girls who do not feel the need to focus on their looks as much as others.
Anyway, it was nice chatting…..
“it’s not lo sasuru because we are not looking at the men to look at the men.”
Yes, and if a man looked at a woman “not in order to look at a woman” it would still be assurm, which proves me point. If a man went to a cheerleaders game, that would be a big problem.
“I am not arguing with the halacha” “The “spirit of the halacha” is also a consideration.”
Yes it is. I thought this was an halachic issue we were discussing. I think it is great that you are concerned with the spirit of the halacha.
Toi: It’s funny you said that because my cousin went to a high school where they teach girls gemarah. I’m sorry, but I firmly believe that women have a need to beautify themselves, to talk about their feelings and social relationships and have less of an aptitude to spend all day on a Maharsha as apposed to most men. All my experience and knowledge confirm this. Plus, if everyone is learning in yeshivos all day, no one would do any chessed (not to say men should sit and learn all day and do no chessed). Whoever thinks that being a lawyer is comparable to learning in yeshiva obviously has done neither.
“Why not just stay home and daven b’yechida?”
So now you are saying that the fact that you can’t see everything as well when you can daven at home perfectly well instead is reason to be over an issur deoreisa of lo sasuru? If the action was reversed, it would be a kol isha problem, yet another example of how men and women are attracted differently. A male visual machshava is much faster.
Talk to the Roshe Yeshiva about it.
“It does not prove that the vast majority, say 98%, of men do not have female counterparts who are equally capable of learning at their level.”
Where do you come up with 98%? I would say most upper level yeshivos, very few women would fit well in. It’s not only the learning level for basic aggadah in a gemara: but many other factors such as knowing when to move on to another topic and going deep into a maharsha, doing mental gymnastics that will turn your brain inside out, knowing your place and talking only when it is relevant etc. I have a cousin who is very bright and she is going to be a lawyer and I have many conversations about philosophy with her. She is such a great girl, but she would not fit in well in the yeshiva I am currently in. Thats not saying anything bad.
In shules, women can stare at men but men cannot stare at women. Obviously, there is a difference between men and women with regards to how they become attracted to the opposite gender.