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He hasn’t ended his singing career, just his recording career. And in case you haven’t noticed, many others have drastically slowed down as well. Very hard to make money on a CD in today’s electronic file sharing world.
“Coffee Roomaratzim”
Love it!!!
Truthsharer: Did you miss my Malbim quote above? Or do you just think that if enough comments pass by after a question is answered, you can just put it back up again and it becomes a shlug up again?
So according to truthsharer, not only are the gedolim all wrong, but Slifkin is way smarter than them, and they only ban him due to their own insecurities.
A maskil once wanted to speak in the Malbim’s shul. The Malbim did not allow him to go up. SO the maskil said, “I will only quote from sources that you approve of!” The Malbim replied that even of one uses all kosher ingredients, but he cooks it in a treifa pot, then the result is treif. The gedolim have already paskened that when it comes to brias haolam hashkafa, NS is a treifa pot. Beyond that point, I don’t really care.
Truthsharer obviously doesn’t accept that gedolim are correct in guiding mesorah. Someone else started a thread tonight on limud Hatorah. I will copy here what I wrote on that thread.
“It is important for a yid to have his daas shaped by the Torah and not by the whims of society. Talmud Torah is the way to help our mind work the way Hashem wants it to. If not, you have people who issue statements like “That’s the only reasonable psak” which was stated by a commenter on a different thread. One must conform his reason to the Torah, and not make halacha conform to his reason.”
It is much easier intellectually to say that the scientific evidence is accurate, and teitch up Chazal that say differently with lomdus. The obligation of a yid is to take Torah as the starting point and then try to reconcile science, not the other way around. That is a challenge. Don’t ever accuse the gedolim of being intellectually lazy.
Rav Yisroel Belsky. Many Gedolim have stated that Nosson Slifkin’s opnions on age of the world and evolution border on heresy.
It is important for a yid to have his daas shaped by the Torah and not by the whims of society. Talmud Torah is the way to help our mind work the way Hashem wants it to. If not, you have people who issue statements like “That’s the only reasonable psak” which was stated by a commenter on a different thread. One must conform his reason to the Torah, and not make halacha conform to his reason.
Ice thinks that since Gefen was the first one to get annoyed with his style, then any one of the other 100 people that have also gotten annoyed by him, must also be Gefen. He’s accused her of being Midwesterner, Miritchka, moskidoodle, EVEN JOSEPH!, and one or two others at least.
There is way less effort required in ensuring that there are no spelling errors in thread titles than in “amking multiple screan names” (sic)
PAssfan: I deliberately danced around that issue. As it happens, the Steipler zt’l addressed the issue to sephardim as well. However, Rav Yehuda Tzadka zt’l wrote back to the Steipler and they argued vehemently about the issue as it applies to sephardim. I am not aware that the Steipler ever backed down. Maybe someone knows a confirmed resolution of this debate between a gadol of the Ashkenazic world vs. a gadol of the Sephardic world, rather than just throwing around what one or another anonymous commenter considers to be a “reasonable psak.”
Why were some of the people here forced to listen to the song?
Because I have a house full of teenage daughters!
I hated that song when it first came out I was forced to listen to it millions of times and now I am absolutely sick of it!!! Who feels the same way??
There is a well known letter fom the Steipler, printed in Kraina D’igrisa (or karyana d’igarta for the dikduk police who seem to be active on this thread) where he says that when the Shem Havaya, which we pronounce as Adnus, is pronounced as the sephardim do, (with the ending vowel sound as ai, rather than oy) one is not yotze whatever one is trying to be yotze.
Yisroel Werdyger.
Also the newest MBD. Not a lot of the booming and high end stuff. His range may not be what it used to be. But simple heartfelt negina, with a taam that 40 years of imitators have not been able to duplicate.
I don’t think that they’re on line. Try calling 773-279-8400
That is correct. The weekend of Parshas Shekalim.
Sunstroke
Yossi: Did you read what the crazy guy’s shita is? He’s not doing it to bring Moshiach. He’s just being moche on the kavod of a rebbe.
I leave it to you to guess which.
eclipse. Sacrilege. Charlie Hall.
Oh yeah, haven’t seen Joseph in a while either!
I have a close friend who was a “Teen at risk” back in the day. He dropped out of yeshiva, went to school, graduated and even got his CPA. By that time he was growing out of his adolescent rebellion, and settled down and married. Moved to Israel, learned in KOllel for 3 years and came back to the US. As he was licenssed, he was able to become employyed very quickly. I think it was more the license than the education. Just an education and a degree, and then several years of removal from the olam hamaaseh, it is difficult. But the license was a very tangible piece that made a very big difference.
I think one of the main reasons the yeshivos don’t encourage this is because once one is out in the world, and is to’em the ta’am of the world and everything in it, it is very difficult to “put the genie back in the bottle”. People will leave yeshiva, fully and realistically expecting to return, but after they are exposed to the velt, it never happens for many people.
And to snjn: Sometimes Popa’s trolling is very subtle and hard to detect. But this thread has it right there in the title!! (At least the recently modified title.)
One could also say, according to the opinion that “Dyo partuzufin bara b’Adam” that man was indeed the final creation, and the woman was removed from him. Cleansing him, if you will.
Bina Yeseira: Does that mean that a pair of plyers is more choshuv than even a woman?
If you travel west today, you can get it multiple times!
To Zaidy78: I don’t mean to be the grammar police, but there is a world of difference between compliment and complement. I’m sure you meant the latter.
I don’t know much about women complimenting a man, most can probably live without it. But I do know that if a man forgets to compliment a woman, watch out!!
msseeker: The arabs are umos, but as they are not the memshala, it is not merida.
If you can call anything in the coffeeroom a relationship, then you can believe that John Doe is a turtle.
Back in the 1970s, it was quite common. Not nearly as much now, although you do find it here and there.
I think that this thread should be forwarded to the Gedolei Roshei Yeshiva immediately. There are comments here about the importance of what should be learned that they nust have surely missed. Let them change the derech halimud immediately to conform with these maamarie Chazal that are first being brought to light!!
I agree with Yitay. I have had contact with some professionals over the years. In the 1980 and 1990s there were only 2 people that made a profit on an album (without sponsorships); MBD and AF. That hasn’t changed much. Maybe Dedi in the short window when he was at his peak. And LIPA. Other Werdygers, (Mendy, Yeedle, and more recently Yisroel) perhaps on the family name. Dachs? Maybe but not likely. Williger and Wald? Fugetaboutit! It always was only to get the name recognition for appearance fees at concerts, weddings and the like.
There are other reasons that MBD is no longer producing albums. At the top of that list would be age. He was mehaneh klal Yisroel like none other for decades, but it is difficult to keep up the standard now that he is in his 60s. (Although Chazan Dovid Werdyger was still near the top of his game at age 75-80.)
I wouldn’t complain about overload. The really good ones don’t come out that often. And the ones the OP as complaining about are mostly ignorable. (Is there such a word?)
I’ve done some independant follow-up. I too back Jothar and whoever else is involved in their quest.
Makom hinichu lehisgader
About two or three years ago, an ad came out with the blaring headline, “10% of this years Bais Yaakov seniors will NEVER get married!”
There was then a huge outcry about who asked them to play god (lashon chol here, no capital and no hyphen necessary) and decide who won’t get married. They can say they don’t understand how the math will work, but who are they to be poseach peh l’satan and proclaim who will be single?!?! In addition, why throw a line out there that could lead some to being meya’esh prematurely.
A couple of weeks later there was a retraction printed in Yated and Modia. It went something like, “We never really meant such a shtarkeh proclamation. We just want to draw attention to what we think is a budding problem.”
They think going over the top is a way to get their message across. Just like getting 60 roshei yeshiva to sign a letter saying that they think it is a good idea to redt shidduchim to older girls, and people shouldn’t get a complex about going with a shidduch where the kallah is a bit older. They then use the signatures of those people to announce and push policies that forbid 19 year olds to date.
Every other initiative they dream up already has the imprimatur of the roshei yeshiva who signed the initial letter, so therefore everything else has their backing as well. I have spoken to one signer on those letters, to mekuravim of two others, and to one other person who is well recognized and is on the caliber if not higher than many or most of the signers, yet he was asked to sign and declined. They NEVER meant to make radical changes and restrictions against anyone dating. Only to promote people redting to those who seemed to get neglected. AS a matter of fact, I remember the week the original letter came out, an engagement was announced between the 22 year old son of one signer to the 19 year old granddaughter of another.
Not the first time that NASI has put an ad in national publications and then had to retract. Let’s see if they have the guts to do it again.
Could it be that AYC is waiting for 42 to add a comment here before reappearing?
Jothar must not come frmo CH. Otherwise he would not have used Shmira and Shomrim in the same paragraph.
Aries: I think it was quite clear that I agree with you that it is a business. They just present themselves as klei kodesh who are moser nefesh for chinuch habanos, yet they run themselves as a business. And they run it more ruthlessly than most businesses do, in ways that both you and I described, for reasons that I explained above. Basically, they have have to respect their customers, so they don’t.
Aries; There is a small amount of movement mid year. Within a month after sukkos there are a few, not many who will seek to switch seminaries. They are already there, it’s not working where they are, and don’t want to quit on the experience. Its not many. But the ones who leave to go home aren’t that many either. Those gaps sometimes do get filled. It is not guaranteed to be a writeoff for the seminary.
And even if so, that should be the cost of doing business. You try to fill 100%, but the parents take risks sending kids, and the seminaries should take risks on accepting.
Let’s take a hypothetical seminary that takes in 100 girls at 18K each. That’s 1.8 million to provide 8 months of programimng and meals 5.5 days a week. They shut down during nissan and tishrei. They make the girls schnorr from the not very wealthy Yerushalmi residents for Shabbos. And when they have 1 or 2 backouts in mid year, they can’t survive on 1.79 million instead? (All this while preaching to the girls all year long they they must be mistapek b’muat for the sake of Torah!)
Seminaries aren’t even willing to accept a little marketing expense. The trips to America by those who interview the girls need to be recovered by the nonrefundable application fees. They do not live in the real business world. But they get away with it because the kids have their parent wrapped around their fingers, emotionally.
And yes, I’m a bit stressed over having to write out all those checks for my third daughter very soon. She’s a wonderful bas yisroel, looking forward to a wonderful year. And I hope to be able to provide it for her, with Hashem’s help. But methinks the seminaries are extrorting from us parents.
Most seminaries demand about 15% when you get the acceptance letter, around 02/15, due by 03/01 to confirm the acceptance. The balance is due in 3 installments. Usually around 05/15, 08/15, and December or January. There are various schalarships that kick in at various times during the year, if you’re eligible, and frequently that last payment does not need to be made.
If there is an issue, that last payment is just about the only leverage that you have. I know someone close to me that had an issue in mid cheshvan, and the seminary was mochel the last payment. But they still got about 15K for less than a month’s service provided. (There was very little going on in the last week of Elul when the year began, and Tishrei which was already vacation.)
It is also not completely true that when they give you a spot they have lost the opportunity to sell it. It is well known that issues sometimes come up, and a (small) percentage of girls switch in mid year. So an opening can be filled in mid year.
Generally there are halachos about backing out of a deal in the middle. (Poel yachol lachazor bachatzi yom.) Under those circumstances, they should not be able to charge you the entire fee. Unless it is stipulated in the contract in the beginning. (Which these days, most are.) Then the klal of kol sheb’mamon t’nao kayam would apply. Meaning basically, if you agree to their terms, you’re stuck with their policies. The seminaries know they can get away with putting that line in, because by the time you get to that point, and you have an acceptance letter in hand, who’s gonna tell their daughter they won’t sign up because of some t’nai in the fine print?
Zion, IL. Right up theer at the Wisconsin state line. Great Outlet Malls. Gurnee Mills on the Illinois side. All the Kenosha spots on the Wisconsin side.
Troll somewhere else if you want info on one of the greatest frauds of more than a century ago.
Always very generous!! with the exclamation!!! points!!!!
Agree mostly with Bein Hasdorim. However there is no obligation to say modim derabanan. Only that when the tzibur is saying modim, if you do not bow and give hodaah, you are considered to be a kafui tova. MOdim derabanan is a collection of the various shitos of what should be said at that time. But if one is saying tefila, and is anyway bowing and saying the regular nusach of modim together with the tzibur, then there is no concern about missing the modim derabanan.
My dear esteemed Mr. 80: What was your last comment referring to?
Yes it does come from Basi Legani. I see you conferred with someone to check that out. (Half an hour ago, my comment was chinese to you. Now you know the sicha by name!) If the Chanadniks don’t interepret it that way, then how do they interepret it? And why was it taken out of later editions?
You may be aware that it is this very quote that triggered the Brisker Rav’s famous line of, “Ehr redt zich ein az ehr is Moshiach.” The rav passed away in 1959. So the biggest gedolim caught on a lot faster than the hamon am.
No one thinks that he thought he was Moshiach back in the Sorbonne or wherever he was in the past. That he didn’t accept in the beginning doesn’t prevent it from becoming the philosophy when it happens late. Only that the mantle of leadership grew very quickly on him and fit quite nicely once it was accepted.
Then ask yourself! Don’t go to a rebbe. Go to your next door neighbor! His neshama is the same chelek Elokah. He was explaining why he, as rebbe, is different from everyone else!
If you understand it that way, then the notzrim were correct too! JC was also a chelek Elokah mimaal!!
Read the article by R’ Chaim Dov. See what he says about philosophies developing from sources. From yegiah and horevania to understand the Emmes of Torah. Not finding good looking pull quote phrases and borrowing the language to justify a preconceived position. a la Yaakov Avinu lo meis.
He was saying in terms of himself! Check the date and event. It was the day he became rebbe!! Explaning what he was stepping into! It is NOT standard Chassidic belief. No other Rebbe thinks he is a chelek of G-d!! And no other Rebbe wanted this man to claim it for him!
PY: The context of that quote comes from the first sicha delivered as rebbe on 10 Shevat 5711. It was a response to the question, “If Judaism does not allow us reach Hashem through an intermediary, then how are we permitted to ask a rebbe to daven for us? Is he not an intermediary?”
The rebbe answered, that going to a Rebbe is not going to an intermediary. It is like going to Hashem directly, as the rebbe is a chelek of Hashem himself. Then in explanation of that line comes my quote printed above.
The Rebbe has himsef stated that he is “Atzmus ein sof mislabesh b’guf gashmi” as was printed in Likutei Sichos vol II, page 500-501. Can be found in any copy printed before 1980. Has been deleted from any copies printed since. Or in the original verbal Yiddish quote, “Dos iz atzmuso alein, vi Er hot zich areingeshtelt in a guf”
The link to the article by R’ Chaim Dov has nothing to do with that website. The article was published in the late lamented Jewish Observer. And yes, I know the esteemed Rosh Yeshiva as well. I have even discussed some of these issues with him personally.
That is also why Didan Notzach was such a big deal back in the 80s. There was a court case, in which they were debating if Barry Gourarie was a successor or not. When the psak came out from the secular court that BG was not a successor, that vindicated the entire philosophy of no successor.
Hence, “Didan Notzach!” It wasn’t just the library. It was the entire messianic philosophy. The court paskened that he was moshiach! Official Chabad publications said “Shechina medaberes mitoch grono shel NY State Circuit court judge.”
The messianism flows naturally. Nasi Doreinu + no successor = Moshiach.
The Frierdike Rebbe had messianism on a much smaller scale, but it still existed, because he had no sons, and there were those who felt he had no successor.
RMMS became rebbe on 10 Shevat 1951. At the time he was almost 49 and had no children. It was pretty much a given from day one that there would be no successor.