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adorable, I know it was an error. Don’t worry. You usually never write in all caps. I was just trying to be clever.
MiddlePathParticipantHaLeivi, thank you for that wonderful post. I admit that I was focusing on a part of Olam Habah that isn’t the essence of it. The essence of it is being in a place close to G-d. Through that closeness, we get eternal pleasure and enjoyment, but that isn’t the driving force. The driving force is our longing to get close to G-d. So I guess my problem is really about how some people view, and teach about, Olam Habah. Of course, we use metaphors to describe the pleasure one gets from Olam Habah and being close to G-d, but we can’t let these metaphors control how we interpret that pleasure. Really, I’m talking to myself and what I wrote in my original post. It was lacking the real essence of Olam Habah.
Concerning the problem you wrote about at the end, I assume I didn’t write with enough clarity, which is why you drew your conclusion, and I am sorry for that. I do think that acting properly for the sake of the world IS acting for the sake of G-d. G-d wants us to be a light for the nations, be a light for ourselves, and be a source of pride for Himself. I think acting morally and being giving for the world is something G-d would want, so that IS acting for His sake.
Yitayningwut, excellent post! I really see what you are saying about the idea of morality by non-believers, and it is similar to what others here have said. Thank you!
MiddlePathParticipantHaLeivi, you are right, it is a written rule. My apologies.
August 17, 2011 8:16 pm at 8:16 pm in reply to: Teenage girls and older chewing gum on the street #800852MiddlePathParticipantadorable, I understand that, and perhaps he is right. But isn’t it also possible that these girls just grew up modern, and aren’t necessarily dressing that way to tell people “I’m cool”, but rather are dressing that way because they’ve always dressed that way? I just don’t like judging people. If WIY knows however that these girls ARE dressing that way to say “I’m cool”, then I am wrong, and I apologize.
MiddlePathParticipantThank you, gavra. And you are correct about idolatry being one of the seven.
Where’s aries? I want to hear her wisdom on this topic!
MiddlePathParticipantSome people ignore the unwritten rule of not typing in all caps, adorable. 😉
August 17, 2011 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm in reply to: Teenage girls and older chewing gum on the street #800837MiddlePathParticipantHere’s what I think:
No, it’s not a lack of tznius.
We shouldn’t be looking for things to outlaw if there’s no reason to.
We shouldn’t assume that people of a “more modern type” have an attitude of “I think I’m cool”.
We should stop trying to figure people out based on observing them for a few seconds.
MiddlePathParticipantKol daveed, agreed, and thank you for clarifying.
tobg, thank you for that insight.
mw13, I respectfully disagree. I don’t think it is worth nothing. If someone who doesn’t believe in G-d helps another person, and that person is inspired to help others, and so on, the original “non-believer” in my opinion has done something extremely worthwhile. I don’t care who or what he believes in. He has brought good to the world. It’s interesting that you mention how someone who doesn’t belive in G-d has no portion in Olam Habah, because that point is exactly what I was talking about in my original post. I don’t think the goal of this world is just to reserve a portion for ourselves in the next world. That’s a nice idea, but seems like a selfish way to live.
MiddlePathParticipant80, I’m sure that many people who don’t believe in G-d are NOT moral and DON’T have values. But anyone can be moral. Anyone can have values. I don’t think these are things bound by religion. Obviously, in a religion, we have specific morals and values. A non-Jew who keeps the 7 miztvos he is required to doesn’t necessarily keep them because he believes in G-d. Why does he keep them? Perhaps, it is possible that he keeps them because he feels they are moral, or because he has a set of values. I’m not denying that many non-believers are not moral and don’t have values, but I wouldn’t say it’s impossible.
MiddlePathParticipantkol daveed, Perhaps that it true, but then again, even people who don’t believe in G-d can be moral, have values, and get fulfillment from helping others. It’s not a total contradiction. Of course we, as Jews, believe in G-d and doing these things are simply part of doing what G-d wants us to do, because G-d wants us to be moral, have values, and help others. Granted, we have mitzvos that we do without any “moral” or “logical” reason (tefillin, shaking a lulav, etc.) that we do because G-d wants us to. But many miztvos we have are things any good person would do, regardless if they believe in G-d or not, and for those, it’s more difficult to teach people who lack faith to do them solely because G-d wants us to.
adorable, That’s true, but I don’t think it’s generally the reason you are helping others. You are helping others because you want to make life better or easier for others. The pleasure and fulfillment you get from that is simply the effect of doing such a noble thing, and long outlasts any tangible pleasure in this world.
MiddlePathParticipantThank you, everyone. Mommamia, the connection you made to parenting is a good one! I didn’t think about that. I suppose it takes a certain level of maturity to get fulfillment and happiness out of this world by giving to others, and not just by receiving reward for doing good deeds.
I’m waiting for aries to post here. I really would like to hear what she would say about this, as she always has great posts filled with deep understanding and common sense.
MiddlePathParticipantThank you, everyone, for your responses. I am actually very aware of everything you all said. It was just bothering me that these ideas I was taught aren’t really the best way to find meaning and purpose in the world that G-d gave us. I believe that it is more beneficial to live life helping others and making positive impressions on people than to live life just racking up “points” for ourselves for the world to come.
Also, as a side point, something else has been nagging me, and it’s something that some of you brought up here. It is the concept of doing good deeds because G-d wants us to. Of course, this is the highest level of holiness, to do something out of love for G-d, and only because He said so. But really, I’m worried about that concept. Because if, G-d forbid, a Jew questions G-d’s existence or rebels against the Torah, and he was taught to only do good deeds because G-d wants us to, then he has no reason to do good deeds. If he doesn’t believe in G-d, he will have no problem stealing, murdering, etc., because the only thing preventing him from doing such things is that “G-d said not to”. Wouldn’t it be safer for people not a such a high level of faith, to be taught the lessons and rules of basic moral conduct that they are simply how a mature, responsible human being should act? I think people will be more understanding that one should not kill because it is breach of moral human conduct rather than “G-d said we shouldn’t kill”. Especially because such a major problem in our generation is a lack of faith in G-d. Perhaps people (like us, I hope) who are solid in their faith can do good deeds and act morally because G-d wants us to, but for those of lesser faith, I think it would cause more problems.
MiddlePathParticipantemlf, I appreciate you bringing up the rules of words in Mishpachas Sh’nei Segolim. But there are a few exceptions. Most notably, the word ’emes’. It should be pronounced “eMES”, with the stress on the last syllable. This is because the segol under the aleph is a half-segol (chataf segol), and therefore, doesn’t get stressed. According to my Biblical Hebrew teacher, if one pronounces the word ’emes’ with the stress on the first syllable, it no longer means “truth”. It has no meaning, because it is not a real word. I don’t know where he got that from, but he knows dikduk enough that I trust him.
MiddlePathParticipantQueen Bee, I can already tell you are a wonderful person from the fact that you write back a personal message to every poster that communicates to you. That’s very special. I’m sure we can all gain a lot from you!
MiddlePathParticipantadorable, I’m absolutely sure that the right guy for you will find you, and your looks, extremely attractive.
MiddlePathParticipantI would love to have a smaller, less expensive, and more personalized affair for my wedding. But I think girls in general want something fancy, so whatever my bride would want is what I would try to do. (Of course, there may be some compromising.)
MiddlePathParticipantMayan, are you really an architect? I was thinking of becoming an architect, but in the current market, I didn’t think it would be practical, so I’m going into something a little different.
Aries, if I may say something, I think you are a wonderful mentor and Life Coach for all of us here.
MiddlePathParticipantI try to write well, grammatically. As I said on another thread, I like it when haifagirl offers her grammatical wisdom. I wouldn’t say I am a grammar freak, but I appreciate it when people use good grammar in their posts. It makes you appear intelligent and helps get your point across more clearly.
MiddlePathParticipantWell, a packed schedule is better than an empty schedule! I’m happy your’e keeping busy, but I’m sure decisions will still have to be made, so stay focused and everything will turn out great.
MiddlePathParticipantadorable, I know. But this got me wondering, how are you doing with your decision making? Is it any better?
MiddlePathParticipantUh oh, adorable, you can’t decide?! I thought you were past that! 🙂
MiddlePathParticipantI am sorry, Goq, for the type of relationship you have with your older siblings. I can’t imagine how difficult that must be. Thankfully, I get along with all my siblings, and we all need to, because otherwise, I’m sure one of us would have suffered mentally to the point of no return because of my father.
MiddlePathParticipantAries.
MiddlePathParticipantadorable- A picture of a slurpee? Or manicured fingernails?
I would have picture of a guitar or a supercar.
MiddlePathParticipantI don’t think it would be a good idea. As yummy cupcake said, confidentiality would be lowered, and also, I think people would start judging others based on their pictures, which would be a terrible thing. (Especially for me, since I’m Goth.) 😉
August 16, 2011 4:54 am at 4:54 am in reply to: How do you know you're in school for the right profession? #797956MiddlePathParticipantQueen Bee, I agree that a lot of people end up working in fields they don’t really feel a passion for. It’s not necessarily a problem; Some people just want to fit in, or make a high salary doing something they don’t really enjoy. But I’d rather do something I love and get paid an average salary than do something I find dull and get paid an above average salary. I am very passionate about the field I’m going into, and I love all my classes.
And for people who are undecided about their chosen career paths, there are numerous surveys and tests online that people can take to find out which fields they can use their talents in, and people generally enjoy doing things they have talent in.
MiddlePathParticipantFeif, I’m glad your’e feeling better, and I hope you have a full recovery soon!
August 16, 2011 1:43 am at 1:43 am in reply to: How do you know you're in school for the right profession? #797954MiddlePathParticipantIt happens way too often, and not only to girls. I have friends who are juniors and even seniors in college and still don’t really know what they want to do. Some will probably figure it out soon enough, and some will drop out and get jobs that don’t require degrees. This is just the way of the world. I began college when I was 20, and then, I had an idea of what I wanted to do, but the degree I’m currently pursuing is a bit different from what I had in mind at the beginning.
College is very expensive, so I would advise anyone planning on getting a degree to really think about their future before making a decision.
MiddlePathParticipantWelcome!
MiddlePathParticipanton the ball, I hear that. But wouldn’t you agree that you would achieve the most in the way you enjoy learning the most? Personally, if I had to learn in a way I didn’t enjoy, I would not achieve much.
Also, about the idea of exerting ourselves, I agree that it’s a central idea in learning. But I don’t think enjoying learning and exerting yourself in learning are mutually exclusive. I think many people enjoy exerting themselves in learning.
MiddlePathParticipantWhat I mean by “settled” is that it was concluded that some people here believe one should not be complimenting appearances of a date, while others here believe it is okay. There are also people here that believe it depends on who or what number date it is. And I think everyone here is correct, for the circles they are in. But I think NO ONE here is promoting the idea of complimenting appearances of a random woman on the street.
Does this settle the issue?
MiddlePathParticipantI like it when haifagirl offers her grammatical wisdom. We should all be able to write correctly. Perhaps if someone uses a colon instead of a semi-colon, haifagirl should go easy on it..
MiddlePathParticipantI think it all depends on the student. Some students like to delve into topics and spend a lot of time on more minute details. This is fine for them, because it makes them excited and happy to learn. Other students like to cover a lot of ground, and simply want to know more basic material rather than deal with the fine details. This is fine for them, because it makes them excited and happy to learn.
So, I think it is best to learn in the way you enjoy most.
MiddlePathParticipanthaifagirl, that is very clever!
Bar Shattya, thank you for clearing that up. I think if you read through the posts on this thread more closely, you will see that your issue was discussed and settled.
MiddlePathParticipantThank you, oomis. I am in my lower twenties.
Health, I completely agree with you. It’s always best to be honest. True complimenting is when it is sincere.
Bar Shattya, I don’t know who or what you are referring to, but I’m sure there is a more polite way of saying whatever you are trying to say.
MiddlePathParticipantTry autotrader.com. In that price range, there are many great used cars with tremendous value. What type of car (sedan, SUV, coupe) are you looking for? Also, check your local paper for cars for sale by owner.
And always check the carfax report.
MiddlePathParticipantGood luck to all of you today.
MiddlePathParticipantThank you, s2021. Well, seeing how my father was not a very good role model for a husband, I knew I had to learn it myself, so that’s where I got the motivation from. And I did a lot of reading about treating women properly, as well as spent some time with girls when I was a teenager, and I picked up a lot of things. There is much I still don’t know, and I try to pick up new things all the time.
And guys are not supposed to be clueless about this. Unfortunately, many are, but guys should know this stuff. (Maybe yeshivos should give a class in how to treat a wife.)
MiddlePathParticipant“asking to marry her is not proof enough?”
Proof of your attraction to her isn’t the point. Girls don’t just want “proof”. That means nothing. The point is, it is important for a woman to constantly feel assured and confident of her beauty, especially under circumstances where she is working hard to look attractive for a date; Or if she’s married, for her husband. A husband should get used to complimenting his wife on her appearance. It is very important to her.
And when you say “a lady who is not your wife”, you are making it seem like everyone here is encouraging giving compliments on looks to random women, which is NOT the case. Almost all of us were referring to dates, not random women.
MiddlePathParticipantI agree with the OP’s premise. But it really doesn’t necessarily have to do with ties. It is the general idea of having a formal way of dressing and detracting from it at a time one should not be. So if you wear a colored button-down shirt for shabbos shacharis, it may be a lack of respect to attend mincha in a polo shirt. And if you wear a black hat with the brim down for shacharis, it may be a lack of respect to attend mincha with the brim up.
MiddlePathParticipantoomis, I completely agree with you. I think it’s important for a girl on a date to know that her efforts at looking pretty and attractive are appreciated and noticed. I once was on a date, and the girl commented how she was busy the whole day and didn’t have time to do her hair, and I could tell she was a little disappointed. So I said something along the lines of “It’s okay, I think your hair looks nice, anyway.” (This was a second date.) And I could tell she appreciated that.
MiddlePathParticipantFair enough, popa.. Is it a state that touches one of the Great Lakes? (That narrows it down a little.)
MiddlePathParticipantCongrats, popa! Are we now Midwestern buddies?
MiddlePathParticipantStamper, I understand that. I guess I shouldn’t date someone from “the Yeshivish community”. And I don’t think someone from “the Yeshivish community” would agree to date me anyway, because I’m not “yeshivish”. Far from it.
MiddlePathParticipantThere is no one answer to this question, because “modern” is defined differently by different people. For example, I am considered “modern” by some of my previous Yeshiva classmates and probably some people here. I am also considered “not-modern” by some of my previous Yeshiva classmates and probably some posters here. Modernity is in the eyes of the beholder. And, as many said, quite unimportant, as long as we all strive to be worthy of being called G-d’s chosen people.
MiddlePathParticipanttracht, yes, I really do. And I don’t want to sound arrogant, but they are very professional looking, and tailored exactly to what you want. And I charge much less than the real “professionals”. Would you be interested?
photogenic, mazal tov on your brother’s engagement!
MiddlePathParticipantNo problem. I try to always keep the peace. Sometimes, things get rocky, but with honest and respectful communication, we can always work out our differences.
MiddlePathParticipantI think it depends on the girl in question, as we can see here with adorable and kylbdnr. I think the only girls that would go out with me are the types that would feel comfortable receiving such compliments, anyway, so I’m fine with it.
MiddlePathParticipantFair enough, 80. I will cease posting such material in the future. I am sorry that I caused people to get upset. Thank you for understanding.
MiddlePathParticipantSorry, obaminator. I appreciate you that you are trying to help, but really, I have a very different view about this, and I won’t change it. I feel that I am responsible and mature enough to know when to make such comments and when not to. But I respect you for sticking to your beliefs.
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