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July 1, 2018 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm in reply to: Orthodox Rabbi Takes Job at LGBT Synagogue – Discuss #1549966mentsch1Participant
In no way does my following statement condone what he has done
Never the less, this guy has had a difficult life and the choices he has made is somewhat understandable when viewed through his personal trajedy
As ZD has alluded to, His wife embraced the lifestyle, got custody of the kids and has since transitioned one of his children into a transgender.
Think about the tragedy, the shock. You think you have a good marriage suddenly your wife tells you its all over and there is nothing you can do about it. You think you might have yiddisha nachas from your children, but your ex shmads them in the worst way. You have a choice; write them off and start from scratch, or try to find some sort of connection. Apparently his attempt to keep a connection went way too far.
He needs to do tshuva, but man he has had a difficult challenge.mentsch1ParticipantCynically i assume union bosses are behind this crazy system
living in brooklyn , i often see groups of 5+ mta enforcement officers standing at main bus route intersections. They pend a lot of time talking and there is no way that the fines offset their union saariesmentsch1ParticipantMidwest
I’ve read the federalist, and have no idea how your interpretation of the second amendment jives with that.
For those unfamiliar, the federalist papers are to the constitution what the Gemara is to the Torah.
If you haven’t read them, google it , Or ask a librarianmentsch1ParticipantI’m currently reading a book by Bridgette Gabriel called “why they hate”. In the book she describes her experience growing up as a Christian in Lebanon at the outbreak of the Lebanese war.
Lebanon was a democracy with a Christian majority. But once the Christians became the minority (and with Yasser Arafats help) war broke out. The Christians were left to defend themselves with local militias.
She wrote the book to warn the West that we are only at the beginning of our war with islam, as demographic shifts in Europe (and the us) will only bring the same end result unless we make some changes (haven’t gotten to that part yet)
Also had a nice conversation ( over shabbos)with a British expat who saw the writing on the wall and came here bc he doesn’t want to have to wear a cap to avoid being beaten up.
I’m sure this doesn’t help the OP with his fears.mentsch1Participantthe op didn’t bring up a second amendment question or some scenario of us vs the us army
He brought up an end of the world scenario and a hashkafic question
In regards to all apocalyptic scenarios , the army/police are never there for the citizen. They are always busy trying to contain the violent scenario . You see this repeatedly played out during riots. The furgerson riots being the latest example. The rioters will cause and get away with a lot of lawlessness and the citizen caught in the middle will have no one to rely on but himself.
In terms of hashkafa, I have an interesting POV . Because I own guns but don’t keep them at home . For two reasons. Safety with little kids around (ie a wife who says no) but also bc I don’t like the effect it has of instilling thoughts of “koach v’atzum yudi”. Essentially, if times are ok I don’t think you should have them . But if there is clear danger then it should fall under hishtadlus.mentsch1ParticipantMidwest
Wouldn’t you say the same thing about the Maccabees? What chance did a poorly armed small resistance group have against the Greek army?
Or by extension any resistance group in Europe against the Nazis?
Wasn’t the American revolution similar ?
I am sure history is replete with these examples. Because it isn’t a straight numbers game. There are many factors including morale , and winning the allegiance of the people.mentsch1ParticipantAnd Midwest
It’s AR 15’s and AK 47’smentsch1ParticipantSlapping ready now every time he says
STOP EUROVISION….June 4, 2018 8:03 am at 8:03 am in reply to: Enforcement of gittin in civil court custody cases in New York #1531785mentsch1ParticipantJoseph
Unfortunately kids are pawns in many divorces and there is little a court can do. The most common example is badmouthing the other parent which is very frequent and leads to issues.
That said, I agree with you that a kid shouldn’t be raised under two different religions. But again, what can a court do? If intermarried couples do it (and plenty of people I know where raised with Chanukah lights and a Xmas tree) why can’t divorced couples? Why would the courts view it as harmful and not multiculturalism?June 3, 2018 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm in reply to: Enforcement of gittin in civil court custody cases in New York #1531516mentsch1ParticipantJoseph
Intermarriage is inherently contradictory. I had a classmate (male not frum) who married a catholic classmate. At the time I asked Rabbi’s what to say to dissuade him. One pointed out that statistically kids of intermarriage are likely to disrespect both religions (he felt it was bc both parents had violated a cardinal rule of their faith so how could they demand allegiance to the faith). Courts don’t stop intermarriage despite the inherent contradiction.
And these couples break up all the time and go back to their original faiths, how can courts stop that? or demand fealty to a specific religion?
And even if they force the catholic to raise the kid jewish (as was agreed upon) the kids still see someone they love leading a completely different lifestyle, so it will rub off anyway
Unfortunately we see this all the time in frum divorces, one side has a big religious decline. I often see divorced women minus sheitels , in pants, taking their uniformed daughters to bais yaakov. Yes it’s great they are abiding by the originally planned decision on how to raise them, but it is contradictory to have a parent abide by a completely different set of rules. Kids don’t abide hypocrisy. If mom can wear pants so can I, bais yaakov upbringing or no. And no court is going to make mom put on a skirt.June 3, 2018 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm in reply to: Enforcement of gittin in civil court custody cases in New York #1531513mentsch1ParticipantGH
Courts aren’t nuanced enough to understand the differences in frumkeit. Try explaining the difference between satmar and misnagid to a non jew and you will get a blank stare.Joseph
I still find that position untenable. The agreement is based on an understanding that the agreed upon arrangement is “better”. Ex That frum is better then not frum. And what court would agree to that? Why would they subject the kid to abide by an arrangement that they (the non religious court) doesn’t agree with?
The only way would be for psychologists to say it would be damaging. But for every frum psychologist who would say yes, there is an atheistic psychologist who would say it’s not damaging.mentsch1ParticipantSomeone who knows my identity and saw this discussion last week just sent me an audio from Rav Reismans july 4 hakel on mishley.
He starts off the shiur by discussing these tzedakah “segulah” ads
He first starts by stating that many of these ads are straight out sheker and therefore the tzedakah is guilty of theft (he told a story of someone borrowing money to get a promised segulah)
But after saying that he feels the gedolim need to make a macha, he says “I want to stay out of the politics and instead discuss why people are so dumb that they actually believe these promises” (His words, not mine. feel free to find the cd and listen)June 3, 2018 9:25 am at 9:25 am in reply to: Enforcement of gittin in civil court custody cases in New York #1531386mentsch1ParticipantFYI
my divorce didn’t link custody to religious issues. It did specify that we agreed to send to a specific type of school (mainstream brooklyn) and specified a frum expert on children as being an arbitrator in future disagreements.
BH we both stayed at the same level of frumkeit. But the question is, how enforceable are these clauses?
If only there was a family court expert in the CR who could answer these questions!
CT, you have been noticeably abscentJune 3, 2018 8:21 am at 8:21 am in reply to: Enforcement of gittin in civil court custody cases in New York #1531371mentsch1ParticipantJoseph
“Ok” doesn’t enter the discussion
The question is would the court enforce it one way or the other. Why would the court see Christianity as being more valid then Islam? At best they would ask the kids if they feel they are being pressured into something they don’t want to do and then if the answer is yes they might get involved.June 3, 2018 2:07 am at 2:07 am in reply to: Enforcement of gittin in civil court custody cases in New York #1531281mentsch1ParticipantFrum
I like your overall reasoning
Courts do overturn agreements all the time.
Prenups and wills can be contested. I know a case of someone signing a non compete that covered the whole five boroughs and a court overturned it. Courts take into account a variety of reasons including various types of duress. Ex. They needed the job so they signed the restrictive non compete . Or in our case , she wanted a get so she agreed to abide by a religious standard she didn’t really feel like keeping.
And as I said earlier. In our liberal times , no one is going to argue that raising a kid in a less religious environment is harmful.mentsch1ParticipantThere is irony here considering the lead headline from Rav Addas
Nothing good ever happens from Badmouthing holy jewsmentsch1ParticipantAt some point in my life I felt this tug.
I was in ner Yisroel, Atlantic City was sort of on the way home. But being the prepared person I am , I didn’t walk into the casinos unprepared. I memorized several basic strategy books. But as others have said, basic strategy for blackjack will allow you to reduce the houses advantage from something like 40% (with emotional betting) down to 2% or so.
So foremost in every “professional “ gamblers mind is the fact that you can maybe reduce the house advantage to only 2%. KNOWING I couldn’t win conquered the tug toward compulsion . If you haven’t read the books , then please do . Know the math.
But addiction is a hard thing to beat without help. So if you feel like you can’t stop by yourself please seek help.
A gambling addiction is a family killer. An almost certain path to divorce and misery. So get cured.
Hatzlocho!!mentsch1ParticipantRav Reisman is a big misnagid on segulos
One story he tells is of a yid sent to a rebbe (perhaps someone else who heard this can remind me of which one) to ask for a segulah for a shidduch
He was told to learn mesechtas kiddushin
Our religion is not about easy fixes. That’s AZ
It’s about building a shtark relationship with Hashemmentsch1ParticipantIncidentally
I corresponded with an American gadol
He had written something in a sefer that implied you should give to every tzedakah
I wrote my objection, and told him that I have a problem with the seeming false advertising of numerous tzedokos
I also discussed tzedakos that hold bbq fundraisers during the nine weeks and that I don’t give to these tzedakos
He wrote back that he personally gives to very few of the solicitations that come to his door
But suggested that I should always give to someone who knocks on my doormentsch1ParticipantGH
I agree . I take the sy syms approach of being an educated consumer. The vast majority of my tzedakah goes to private individuals and institutions that I have vetted based on several criteria.mentsch1ParticipantMilhouse
The “reward” you mention. I believe you are referring to the rambam that promises no one loses by giving tzedakah. IOW The reward is parnasah
Not a shidduch. Not a refuah shelema. Though I’m sure the zchus of the mitzvah always helps.
My point was that the guarantees implied in multiple circulars and the pursuit of segulos is borderline AZ
If you would like to prove me wrong feel free to trymentsch1ParticipantGH
I would go further and call it a form of avodah zara.
AZ is partly an attempt to get things easily without the effort Hashem wants from us in tefilla/tshuva etc.May 28, 2018 10:48 pm at 10:48 pm in reply to: Stop Eurovision song contest next year in Yerushalayim #1527807mentsch1ParticipantDoes this qualify for weirdest CR exchange yet?
May 28, 2018 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm in reply to: Enforcement of gittin in civil court custody cases in New York #1527753mentsch1ParticipantLittle
Not sure what your point is
Many divorces never proceed to a courtroom. Mine didn’t. My custody arrangements were made by the same arbitrator that worked out the rest of the agreement and it was ratified by the court.May 28, 2018 9:34 am at 9:34 am in reply to: Enforcement of gittin in civil court custody cases in New York #1526842mentsch1ParticipantJoseph
In this day and age , being “true to yourself “ is the ultimate value . And who you are , even your gender, can change on a daily basis. Is it any wonder that a modern court is going to find forcing someone to “live a lie” unconstitutional?
Twenty years ago psychologists may have testified that we should enforce the clause bc it’s in the children’s best interests to not live two different lives in two different homes.
But now those same psychologists testify that having same gender parents is perfectly normal and doesn’t cause harm. So what do you expect?mentsch1ParticipantUncle Ben
Very good point .
I knew that after the toeva marriage law, that polygamy would be the next “frontier “, after all, the government shouldn’t have the right to tell us who to marry.
But you are absolutely correct . And the only argument against the idea of multiple husbands is not knowing the father of the children, but that’s easily solved with dna tests.
OTOH
I don’t believe the Supreme Court will ever allow incest bc of genetic abnormalities and obvious coercion argumentsmentsch1ParticipantThere is a tshuva from the radvaz that discusses the two luchos based on the gemorrah in Sanhedrin (21b) and yerushalmi Megillah (12a)
There is a machlokis on what form of Hebrew was on the luchos , ksav ivri or ashuris
The radvaz theorizes that ashuris was on the first luchos and ivri on the second. Since ashuris is so kodesh that it can’t handle avodah zora it couldn’t be used until the time of Ezra when the yetzer for az was destroyed.
Quite an interesting topic. Check out the artscroll yerushalmimentsch1ParticipantYou definitely missed some
Here’s one
Did you ever hear of a mass shooting back when this country had religious values?
Have you ever heard of a violent incident in a Jewish/catholic school?
Maybe we should teach religion in our schoolsmentsch1ParticipantRebyidd
They want everyone to be equally miserablementsch1ParticipantGH
Are you a vegetarian?
If yes , just please come out and say it so we can properly pounce on you
And gut vuch to all, hope you had an uplifting Yom Tovmentsch1ParticipantA Rav I know has an interesting perspective.
He showed me a tosefta that describes restricions placed on yerushalyim in order to maintain its kedusha
His point. An American embassy (and multiple other embassies that follow suit) mean an increase in goyim. Which means an influx of bars/restaurants/entertainment/traif food. Non of which belongs in the holy city.mentsch1ParticipantGh
“When do we stop feeding the beast that would devour us?”
This argument comes up all the time about a range of issues and countries. Many of our grandparents (and even our generation) refused to buy German cars. People I know refuse to travel to Poland and Ukraine and “ give those anti semites my money” . I don’t believe there is a right or wrong answer, it’s a degree of sensitivity.
One of the reasons the frum velt loves Nicky Haley is bc she never ceases to point out the emes and hypocrisy. We lose the high ground if we similarly become hypocritical.
As the European Muslim population grows so will European anti Semitism. A few Jews not buying products won’t change anything.mentsch1ParticipantCoffee
The world may be hypocritical.
But
Netanyahu has always argued that divestment is a form of terrorism. It would look really bad, and give legitimacy to the BDS movement if he embraced the same tactic.
Which is why he would never publicly take that step.
What he does behind closed doors, and the pressure he puts on business owners is a different story. But I suspect he would never do it in case it became public.mentsch1ParticipantGH
Politically, don’t you think that it’s obviously hypocritical to denounce the BDS movement and then go and announce your own divestment?mentsch1ParticipantSD
“THey’re not paying her, they want her to do the dirty work of preparing a speech…what’s the justification of that?”
Trust me
No one wants to sit through your daughters speech. Not the parents, and not the rabbeim who have to endure these things every year.
It’s pretty much the same at every bar mitzvah.
Show of hands. How many here enjoy all the speeches at a bar mitzvah? Especially the pshetel?
That said it’s “what’s done”. Every graduation has a speech from the valedictorian, and it will look weird if she refuses. I’m reasonably sure every valedictorian writes their own speech even in Harvard.
It’s a learning experience. And a good one. Public speaking skills is something to hone and useful in many professions.May 14, 2018 8:26 am at 8:26 am in reply to: Would you let your children listen to non-jewish music? #1520093mentsch1ParticipantIn my own extended family, which runs the gamut from MO to yeshivish , it is clear that those families that shielded their kids the most are enjoying the most Yiddish nachas from their children. Obviously it’s not true across the Jewish spectrum but it’s starkly true in my family.
Let’s also remember the Gemara that says that one of the reasons acher (Rav Mayer’s rebbe) went off the derech is bc he was always singing goyish music.mentsch1ParticipantLitvishe
The first part of your statement is still wrong
Addressing the second (rushing). I made this point in a similar thread. Just like every other profession a doctor has to make a parnasah and pay the bills. In a Medicaid practice the reimbursement is far less then private insurances. the only way a doctor can stay in business is by volume, seeing more patients per hour . If you have A crummy insurance you are in essence paying your doctor below the appropriate fee for any given procedure and you can not expect the same service as you would get at a concierge practice.mentsch1ParticipantLitvishechossid
“Same with dentists, even worse. They will sometimes rush bigger treatments like extracting a tooth over fixing it with a root canal or similiar since they will get paid better for the extraction rather than the whole treatment. Also might use less quality materials for treatments.”
You realize this statement is inherently contradictory
An extracted tooth can only be billed for the extraction.
I have several dentist friends and I can assure you that they get reimbursed more for root canals then extractions. Any one who has had these procedures knows this
Also, do you really think that doctors/dentists have two drawers, one with expensive equipment for the good patients and one with the cheap stuff?!
It doesn’t work like that. You really have no clue.mentsch1ParticipantOP
I have yet to see anywhere that there is a chiyuv to give to a specific cause. Just the opposite. We are required to vet tzedakos bf giving and are granted latitude to decide whobwe give to.
Personally I shy away from many popular tzedakas for various reasons, including not liking the percentage that goes to fundraising or administrative costs, feeling that the advertising campaign goes against Halacha etc.
My largest donations go to organizations I have vetted and individuals I know (or my rabbeim know) that don’t have two cents to rub together.
So feel free to be judgemental if you find a particular tzedakah distasteful. Just make sure to give tzedakah.
But remember, just bc you don’t like a particular tzedakah doesn’t mean that giving to that tzedakah isn’t counted as giving. Case in point, the famous Halacha that giving a formerly rich person a Mercedez is tzedakah. Most of us find that a poor usage of tzedakah and would shy away from that gofundme program. But that doesn’t mean Hashem views it any less an act of charity.mentsch1ParticipantGH
As I have stated on other threads I am very liberal about our court system. I think jail is dehumanizing and should only be used for violent offenders.
That said
Procedural error and false information is not the same thing as innocent.May 6, 2018 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm in reply to: If Nassi is wrong, how do you explain why 1000’s of older girls are stil single? #1517058mentsch1ParticipantJoseph
I ran your idea by my wife
She’s perfectly fine with helping out the crisis by bringing a co-wife on board
As long as she’s 400 lbs and rich.mentsch1ParticipantGamanit
I believe you completely missed the point of my sarcasm and the points I have been making. mainly I am arguing that despite accusations of “jealousy” there are genuine hashkafic questions on the idea that traveling to a new exotic local every pesach is perfectly fine and rational. Frankly I would go so far as labeling it nuvel brushus hatorah. If you have the money then go be m’kayim the mitzvah of oleh regel (at least in spirit since there is no bais hamikdash). Running to vegas/egypt etc. is not in the spirit of yetzias mitzrayim. We were running away from places of tumah, today people run to them.
In addition, I find the argument of “I need to do it for my sanity/enjoyment” bc I cant handle the cleaning/cooking lame. I’m not saying it’s never appropriate. The one time we considered doing it was after a wedding we made close to yom tov. But we decided against it. But I can hear it. I just find the idea that people can’t handle the annual stress of the yom tov prep, so they need to run away from home, wussy.
Those were my points.
But
If you want to start another discussion, sure. I think your point was prepackaged pesach foods really help the working woman. I agree whole heartedly.mentsch1ParticipantZD
You are absolutely right, it is so much harder to make pesach these days compared to 100 years ago.
Granted our bubby’s Had to literally make everything from scratch including plucking and kashering the chickens.
But we have problems. Our prepackaged food comes with so many chumros. And our 4000+ square foot mansions don’t clean themselves!
True we have live in maids (or if you worry about the kashrus of your kitchen , then just a woman who comes twice a week). But it’s oh so exhausting to tell her which rooms to clean.
I’m getting so stressed out thinking about it I need to stop writing and call my shrink for more anti anxiety meds!mentsch1ParticipantDoes Mir actually give a BTL or are you just trolling?
BH I turned my Ner Yisroel BTL plus a lot of science courses into a successful healthcare career.
Plenty of my friends went to law school with a BTL and a good LSAT . Same for med/dental school with prerequisites and good mcat/dat’smentsch1ParticipantLess
“mentsh1,you mean they don’t comply with your hashkafa.”
I am pretty sure that the 4/5ths of Klal Yisroel that didn’t leave mitzrayim said the same thing to Moshe Rabbeinu
I’m pointing out the irony that pesach has become our most gashmiyusdik Yom Tov, when it was only made possible by those who shunned the gashmius of mitzrayim.
As for your other comment; google straw manmentsch1ParticipantConsidering that there is a mitzvah in the Torah to be Oleh regel three times a year I can only imagine the conversation after 120
G-D: nu yankel, I gave you lots of money. So how come you didn’t come visit me more often?
Yankel: G-D but how many times can we see the same sites?mentsch1ParticipantZD
Jealousy?
During my pre-sefirah haircut I was listening in on a conversation.
Two people talking excitedly about where they were headed.
One was looking forward to sedarim on the Vegas strip .
The other was headed to Egypt “to the exact spot where the yidden crossed the yarden “
It’s not jealousy, it’s me being judgmental that nebach so many yidden haven’t got a hashkafic clue.mentsch1ParticipantHealth
I completely disagree that “knowing your BP” will prevent serious disease
I’ve made this point on the second amendment arguments
For the most part a persons life span is predetermined
Death comes from a bullet or heart attack
We can put ourselves in danger by dangerous behaviors, but I believe our hishtadlus is limitedmentsch1ParticipantSo getting back to my hashkafa post
George Burns died aged 100 from old age. As most of us know he always had a cigar in his mouth.
It was said that The chofetz chaim said to the kallah of Rav Isser Zalman Meltzer that long life and health aren’t necessarily synonymus.
So
How much hishtadlus is even necessary?
Can a person in China go to a clinic and do the recommended treatment of acupuncture for a serious disease and expect the same result as surgery in the US?
Aren’t the years of a persons life predetermined?(FYI My opinion is , that you can’t rely on open miracles. So a cancer pt cant pray away the cancer. Or use non proven methods like Vit C transfusions. But many tests are becoming standard for litigious reasons not medically necessary ones. And much medical knowledge seems to swing back and forth. So I am undecided on specifics)
mentsch1ParticipantUbiq
I did some googling
Full body scans were huge in 2000-2002 then dropped off
some places survived
I have had a couple of patients tell me (relatively recently) that they went to some of these high end places and dropped 15K for workup scans/bloodwork/diagnosis etc
of course things turned up that requires further attention -
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