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Hey doomsday, here’s a question:
If you’re explaining what keej is saying, how did you come up with different numbers than keej?
It states on the FDA website βvaccination is medicationβ. Why are we medicating our healthy children?
So that they don’t get sick.
Is that seriously the best you can come up with?
Ignored.
You can’t be selfish and then complain that no one comes to your aid when your selfishness comes back to bite you.
Doomsday,
Wrong. They either pick countries with very low autism rates (like Denmark) or Third World Countries where unvaxxed babies are like to be suffering from malnutrition, dirty water, no sanitation, overcrowding and thus have a higher mortality rate then the vaxxed babies.Wrong. Whenever they start doing a study in the US, all the scientists involved mysteriously get eaten by hyenas.
(See? I can make up garbage too.)
Folks, WHY are these vaccine studies usually done in FOREIGN Countries and NOT USA
Probably because there aren’t enough anti-vaxxers in the US who are willing to be part of such a study.
I would like to take a survey:
Is there anyone here who understands what keej is trying to say?
Just answer yes or no and we’ll take it from there.
bais hillel.
What was the sample size in Dr. Aaby’s study?
Keej,
If group B consisted of only 1000 children, and 10 were autistic, what would you conclude from that study?
Keej,
According to your logic, you should include every person on Earth in the group of people at risk for regular autism.
You’re looking at two separate groups and comparing the ratios of each group. You can’t take numbers from one group and use them in the calculations for the other group.
This just seems blatantly obvious to me. Am I crazy? Am I missing something?
Keej,
Making sense?
It’s really not, and the fact that you don’t see the flaw in your logic is truly mind boggling.
In a room
ZERO deaths from Measles (in USA)
Well there you have it. Clear, indisputable proof that measles is not dangerous.
The fact that CDC refuses to do such a study β demanded by Congressmen β is in itself Proof that CDC and
Vaccine Industry know that VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM β and many other diseases.The fact that you use the word “proof” incorrectly effectively discredits every logical argument you make.
I just came across this:
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/256672/halachically-speaking.html
Do they have an Aron that can hold 3 Sifrei Torah? If not, it might be problematic.
I once tried this with vodka, but it didn’t work, so I used rubbing alcohol instead.
Doomsday,
Vaccines no longer contain thimerosal. That makes most of your 157 studies irrelevant.
Please stop bringing those studies up as a support.
The Journal of the American Medical Association, the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine have all published reports that support her findings.
Doomsday,
You keep saying this vague sentence. Seems awfully fishy to me that you can’t be more specific.
Unless you’re just lying again. That would make perfect sense.
I believe since both positions have risks, the PARENTS and not the government make that decision.
What if the parents work for the government? Who makes the decision then?
I’m going to preface my comment with the following: I am not a scientist, and as such, I don’t really know how to properly interpret scientific studies.
That being said, I just skimmed through abstracts of the infamous “157 studies” and found that an overwhelming majority of them discuss the use of mercury (thimerosal) in vaccines. Based on what I’ve read elsewhere, virtually all vaccines (aside from certain flu vaccines) are currently available without thimerosal. Therefore, most, if not all, of those 157 studies are completely irrelevant to this discussion. Am I wrong?
Retzicha.
ΧΧΧ¨ ΧΧ ΧΧΧ
My opinion is that it is allowed.
Doomsday,
I can’t help but notice how you keep mentioning that you’ve spent hours studying the facts, as if that’s a lot of time.
Doomsday,
do yo ubeleive the government should be allowed to force parents to provide antibiotics to a child wit ha treatable infection, that would otherwise be fatal?
What about food, do you believe the government should be allowed to force parents to provide food to their children?I’m not ubiquitin, but I’ll answer your questions anyway:
Yes, you moron.
Something viral. Kinda.
Gosh, can’t we have one thread free of anti-vaxxer garbage?
Please. It’s Chanukah.
GH,
You’re misunderstanding my point. I was responding to avreichamshlomo. I was just pointing out that the reason for waking someone up in this case is not in order to be motzi that person, but rather so that you yourself can be yotzei pirsumei nisa (if nobody sees it, there’s no pirsum).
Regardless, in the cases you brought, it would probably be appropriate the wake the person. Nothing to do with pirsumei nisa, just because it’s a mitzvah and they most likely don’t want to miss out.
I believe the purpose of waking people up in this case is not to be motzi them, but rather so that there is pirsumei nisa.
doomsday,
So, are you going to admit you were wrong, Meno?Seriously? Your quote mentions nothing about death (you added that yourself), nor does it mention anything about serious vaccine adverse events.
So you’re just lying again.
(I just want to make it clear, I don’t actually think you’re lying. I think you just have a problem with understanding scientific studies, and perhaps a problem with reading comprehension as well. My “lying” comments are just to point out how absurd it is that you are accusing everyone else of lying. There are decent people in this world. Not everyone is out to get you.)
Doomsday,
Wait wait wait. Let me get this straight.
-1% of adverse effects are reported
-168 Deaths are reported
-That means in reality there are 16,800 deaths?That’s extremely faulty logic. It would be reasonable to assume that a much higher percentage of severe adverse effects are reported than mild adverse effects.
So now that I’ve caught you repeatedly pushing a faulty argument it must be that YOU ARE A LIAR!!!
THAT MEANS EVERYTHING YOU HAVE EVER SAID MUST BE A LIE!!!
GOTCHA!!!
(Mods – sorry for yelling)
It must be terrible to live your life with the assumption that everyone is lying to you unless proven otherwise.
I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy.
Plastic and fabric transfers can melt in laser printers.
Also photo paper. Learned that the hard way.
On an unrelated note, does anyone want a whole box of photo paper? I have no use for it…
βVaccination is Medicationβ.
Why are we medicating our healthy children??Stop with that stupid semantics argument. If the FDA put out a statement saying “vaccines are technically vegetables,” you would be fine with them?
Bottom line is that they are a thing with properties and characteristics, and they serve a purpose. What you call them is irrelevant.
I also think the doctor’s response was pretty dumb.
In 1977, Jonas Salk, the creator of the polio vaccine, testified before a Senate subcommittee that βall polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.β
You know a little while ago I noticed something interesting:
Whenever I find something that I had misplaced, I find it in the last place I look.
I’ve heard of it, but that’s about it.
Hope that helps.
Mindful,
If it happened to YOU chvβsh would you keep saying there is no evidence?
Honestly, I can’t say how I would react in that case, and as I’ve said before, I don’t blame those parents for thinking the way they do.
Would you look in the eyes of a mother telling this story and tell her βscience doesnβt support your accountβ
No, because that’s a terribly insensitive thing to say to someone who’s in that type of pain, but I would still think it in my head. 100%. Whole-heartedly.
Once you go down the rabbit hole, there is plenty of evidence.
Again, plenty of stories, not scientific evidence.
But regardless, lack of science does not negate reality.
True, but it makes more sense to make medical decisions based on science rather than what you perceive as reality.
When reality does not match βscienceβ it means there is something off with the way the experiment was conducted. It does not mean that REALITY does not exist.
As has been pointed out, there is a perfectly reasonable scientific explanation for all of these stories.
Before you start blaming and spreading hate, and absolute lies about βanti-vaxersβ talk to people who actually experienced vaccine injury.
Mindful, no one denies the fact that these stories exist. The stories are simply not scientific evidence.
@meno Yes itβs a coincidence….
Was that in response to me?
The people with the millions and billions pay scientists to run the study exactly how they want, to prove exactly what they want. The end.
See this is exactly my point. You’re saying that the overwhelming majority of scientists, politicians, health agencies, etc. are corrupt and lying for money and have yet to be busted for it.
It’s certainly possible, but it’s highly unlikely.
Of course, theyβre all delusional and looking for scapegoats.
I didn’t say that. I don’t blame these people for thinking the way they do.
I’m just saying that it’s not how science works.
All of the things you’re saying are absolutely possible. Though in the grand scheme of things, taking all factors into consideration, they’re highly unlikely.
You can explain all you want. When a one year old gets ill immediately after an MMR and a week later is diagnosed with kidney failure, doctor says coincidental. When a five year old gets some overdue vaccines and stops talking and eventually is diagnosed with autism, conincidence. I know both of those people. And both of their parents say it occurred because of the vaccine. But if doctors refuse to see the truth glaring at them, doesnβt mean it isnβt happening.
Wait, so you’re saying that vaccines caused illnesses TWICE?!
Sounds like science to me!
This study actually supports my theory that anti-vaxxers are afraid of doctors and needles.
And bottom line hashem really runs the world so as long as you dont do something dangerous such as run across a highway…
…or miss an oil change on your private plane…
Under-vaccinated children had significantly lower rates of ER visits
Maybe their parents don’t let them cross the street without wearing a helmet.
Joseph, do you think they would sign the same letter today?
A religious exemption does not have to be signed off by your shul rabbi; it has to be based on sincere personal religious beliefs. If someone feels that the risks of vaccination outweigh the benefits, then that person would have a real halachic issue putting his healthy children at risk for the theoretical benefit of the klal.
I don’t understand. If you say it’s a real halachic issue, then you should be able to produce a letter signed by a legitimate rav stating so. If you can’t produce such a letter, then any “sincere religous belief” you have is apikorsus.
I think anti-vaxxers are just afraid of doctors and needles.
Swiss cheese is not wholy at all.
Actually nothing is wholy.
Oh.
So here’s another:
l’ma’an tizk’ru
not
l’ma’an tisk’ru
Did anyone say that one yet?
HoDO al eretz v’shamayim
not
HOdu al eretz v’shamayim