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“Except for the unpleasant real estate dispute in Eretz Yisrael…”
Surely you don’t mean to say that’s the only difference between Jews and Muslims.
Well if there’s no picture then it didn’t happen
lightbrite,
All the logic in the world is not going to help with your argument if it is not backed by Torah sources.
FuturePOTUS will never be my president.
I just had a crazy epiphany – it’s possible for one username to actually be two people…
“See Midrash, Kohelet 7:13 …”
I appreciate that you finally brought a source that seems to support your position.
Though I believe the commentaries on that Midrash say that Hashem was referring to a spiritual destruction through sinning, rather than a physical destruction of the world.
“The bottom line is that we don’t do it just because.”
Actually we do. We do it just because the Torah says so.
“Waste in general is not holy”
Really irrelevant to this debate. It exists, whether it is holy or not.
“One may never see the waste in the ocean, but it can become him. That sounds crazy but it isn’t. Pollutants get absorbed in the muscle fibers of fish.”
I am not a fish, and it is unlikely that a significant amount of that pollution will end up in any fish that I, or anyone else, eat.
“We are not living in a perfect world, nor are we meant to. Nevertheless, that does not exempt us from being socially and environmentally proactive. Does it?”
Well if we were never obligated in the first place, then we are exempt, ipso facto.
Again, most, if not all, of the sources you brought discuss the prohibition of bal tashchis. You haven’t brought any sources extending that prohibition to a prohibition against damaging the environment as a whole.
I would also like to point out that bombarding me with the footnotes from articles that you read is not an effective way of winning this debate. All you need is one solid source supporting your stance.
“What is the point ?
Why does a girl have to pretty in her husband eyes ?
Why does the torah agree with this statement ?”
Marriage is an intimate relationship between two humans. The nature of humans is such that physical attraction plays a significant role in their relationships.
The Torah was written for humans. Thus, the Torah recognizes that physical attraction is important in a marriage.
There’s a big difference between throwing food in the garbage (which is what most of your sources are referring to), and dumping waste in the middle of the ocean.
“It’s our responsibility to also be mindful and conscientious about protecting the environment as best we can in this world.”
Source?
“Is it permissible for the talmudim to be on board on such a vessel without the need and for only amusement or the joy of learning in a new setting, when it comes at the expense of such needless pollution?”
So you’re basically asking if we have a halachic obligation to avoid polluting the environment?
Argh… I just got a jury duty questionnaire in the mail. I think they’re reading this thread
“And a pretty funny one at that.”
Thanks. To be fair, I didn’t make it up. I heard it from a Rebbe in Israel.
Just trying to follow, are there currently two members of the BMG administration named Aharon/Ahron/Aaron Kotler?
“How is it that you can open a trash bag at either end?
Sounds like a plastic tunnel where the food would fall out the other end?”
It was a joke
And a pretty funny one at that.
“if there is no rebuttal to my controversial statements then according to the Talmud I must be right”
Or people might be sleeping/getting ready for Shabbos. Don’t ask what I’m doing here.
“The court officer later said that the unofficial policy was to put people like that back in to be called in six months”
You only have to serve once every two years, so if they call you again you can easily get exempted.
Edit: After further research, it might not be that easy because you have to hold onto the certificate that they give you and if you lose it you’re stuck.
LU,
“This is actually the best generation that has ever been”
How do you know any of those things (besides #4)?
A lot of products in Israel are actually better.
The ketchup in Israel is much easier to get out of the bottle without shaking. Also the garbage bags – here in America you have to figure out which side to open, but in Israel you can open either side.
What happens if they don’t end up setting up a date? Do they get to keep the money?
Apparently it’s a lot of work.
If it’s worth it people will pay. If it’s not they won’t get any business.
Supply and demand.
“Yes, yeridos hadoros is very true unfortunately.”
I don’t think that was the question. The question (made clear in the “confusing” last sentence) was whether the yeridah in this dor was worse than that of previous doros. (It’s a calculus question)
“If people want to go on a cruise how about having a gevir rent out the whole boat & make a real kosher cruise?”
Now we’re talking. Anyone in the Coffee Room a gevir?
“It shouldn’t be hard to get out of it. Just say something one side doesn’t want to hear during questioning and they’ll turn you away.”
I’ve never made it to the jury selection stage, but I’ve heard that it’s not always that simple. The lawyers do this all the time, they know what to look for.
“just because hes very frum doesnt have to mean hes extreme.”
But maybe he is extreme.
I think they have their own kitchen and dining room.
“I would have thought that a kosher cruise meant the whole ship. It sounds like that’s not the case. Is that correct?”
These ships are generally huge, they hold thousands of people. There’s no way a kosher cruise could fill one up.
“It sounds like the kosher cruise is a partitioned section of the entire cruise ship. Is that correct?”
I’ve wondered this myself. I can’t imagine its partitioned in a way that stops you from going back and forth. If that were the case and I were one of the regular guests, I would be pretty annoyed that I had paid for a cruise and half of the ship was off-limits.
Anyone know how it works?
To say that a person missing his/her wallet is a case of sofeik pikuach nefesh is a huge stretch. Even beside the points that Joseph made (which are good points), the chances that this person is going to need emergency medical attention in the near future are very slim.
If you say this is a case of sofeik pikuach nefesh which is docheh shabbos, you can probably use the same logic to justify being mechalel shabbos in any situation that arises.
Joseph,
Probably. Assuming the weather is nice, a cruise ship is pretty much the same as a beach.
Outlandish?
Joseph,
a) I guess it depends on the cruise ship, but I didn’t have any problems with automatic doors or elevators, we brought our own cold food for shabbos (granted we didn’t have hot food, but again, I’m not willing to pay five times the price for that).
b) Shemiras einayim issues – I can’t see how a kosher cruise can resolve that.
“is it just inferred that you light 4 is you forget twice and so on?”
The Magen Avrohom there says so
4 million dollars. Paypal is fine, I’ll eat the fee this time.
“truck drivers who don’t have rest stops”
Is there such a thing? Sounds illegal to me.
“I read there was a custom to add a candle for each Shabbos you missed candle lighting, but I’ve never actually seen that observed.”
Rabbi Ribiat discusses this in his Sefer. I forgot exactly the words he uses, but I thinks he calls it a penalty from the Rabbis, or something like that. It definitely sounds like more than just a custom.
I thought zos chanukah was the 6th night
Es Chata’ai Ani Mazkir Hayom…
I once went on a “non-kosher” cruise with some friends (I’m not advocating for it, just saying I did it). We saw a few other Jews so we tried putting together a minyan, but it didn’t really happen. Then all of a sudden on Friday night there was a minyan with like 50 people. I don’t know where they all came from.
The airline food was decent, I never would have paid 5 times the price (literally – look it up) for whatever a kosher cruise offers. Most of the issues which exist on a non-kosher cruise are either avoidable on your own, or not solved by a kosher cruise.
MA,
I think you misunderstood the question.
I don’t understand. Is this thread supposed to be about confusing halacha, minhag, chumra, and shtus with one another, or is it about halachos, minhagim, chumros, and shtusim that are confusing?
Maybe there should be more mods. Are you hiring?
“His last thread was about a friend who thinks every day is Shabbos…”
And the one before that was about seforim that taste nice
“Maybe the person tried being straight-forward and those posts got deleted?”
So are you saying it’s OK for him to be dishonest to get around the rules?
“How much does a patent lawyer charge per minute to speak to him?”
That’s a good point.
I just did like 4 minutes of research and it seems you can file a provisional patent application for a fairly small fee, which would give you some kind of protection before pitching your idea to a company.
I was suspicious as soon as I read the first post. Then I noticed the username and that sealed the deal.
It’s like a few months back when all of the sudden a whole bunch of new users started asking about a certain seminary because they all heard that big changes were being made and that it sounded really exciting.
It’s counterproductive in my opinion. It just makes you look bad. If you’re gonna advertise your product, or even a friend’s product, be straight up about it. Honesty goes a long way.
Talk to a patent lawyer before talking to anyone else.
You don’t want to pitch your idea to someone, have them say no, and then decide to do it themselves.