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Menachem ShmeiParticipant
It’s hard to know so early.
אל תפתח פה לשטןMenachem ShmeiParticipantRebE,
Thank you for the resources.
I took a look at בנין בית המקדש, I have a lot to say on it, it is VERY one-sided and lots of ideas seem to have big issues, but we’ll leave that for later.
Menachem ShmeiParticipant@Shmiras Haloshon, ujm obviously has only seen wedding videos on VHS tapes, hence the ignorance.
Menachem ShmeiParticipantExcellent question.
The Lubavitcher Rebbe discusses this (חידושים וביאורים בהלכות מלכים סי’ ב, לקוטי שיחות חכ”ז ע’ 191 ואילך), here is a synopsis which I wrote elsewhere:
The Rambam rules that the third Beis Hamikdash will be built (by humans, and specifically) through Moshiach, in order to fulfill the mitzvah of building the Beis Hamikdash. This opinion is also brought in Chazal.
(ראה ירושלמי מגילה פ”א הי”א. פסחים פ”ט ה”א לגי’ המנ”ח מצוה ש”פ. ויק”ר פ”ט, ו. במדב”ר פי”ג, ב)Others hold that the third Beis Hamikdash was already built in heaven and will descend at the time of Geula.
(רש”י סוכה מא, סע”א. ר”ה ל, סע”א. תוספות סוכה שם. שבועות טו, ב. תנחומא פקודי יא. זח”א כח,א. ועוד)We can reconcile both opinions in several ways:
1) The physical Beis Hamikdash will be built by Moshiach, and the “spiritual Beis Hamikdash” of fire will descend from heaven and enclothe itself in the physical building. Similar to the fire on the mizbeach which was ignited from a physical flame, and a spiritual flame also descended from above.
(ערוך לנר סוכה שם ד”ה א”נ)2) The Midrash explains that the gates of the Beis Hamikdash sunk into the ground and were buried in Har Habayis. The third Beis Hamikdash will descend from heaven, and the gates will rise up from the ground, and will be set into place by the Yidden. Halachically, erecting doors is considered erecting the entire structure, so the Yidden will thus fulfill the mitzvah of building the entire Beis Hamikdash.
(איכה ב, ט: “טבעו בארץ שערי'”. במדב”ר פט”ו, יג, ועוד. ב”ב נג, ב)3) The details of the Beis Hamikdash which are already known to us (from מסכת מדות) will be built by Moshiach. The unknown parts which are described cryptically in nevuas Yechezkel will descend from heaven.
4) If we are worthy of the Geula (“זכו”) – the Beis Hamikdash will descend from heaven. If the Geula comes at its set date without us being worthy (“לא זכו”) – we will have to build the Beis Hamikdash ourselves with Moshiach.
(ע”פ הגמרא בסנהדרין צח, א שבמצב של זכו הגאולה באה באופן נסי, ובמצב של לא זכו באה ע”פ טבע)The reason why the Rambam only mentions the human aspect of the Beis Hamikdash is because his focus throughout Mishneh Torah is on human behavior (“ספר הלכות”). Additionally, the Rambam only describes the Geula in a “לא זכו” fashion, although it seems that he agrees with the possibility of זכו.
(אגרת תחיית המתים ס”ו: אין דברנו זה החלטי)
@GefilteFish, according to options 2 and 4, the Rambam agrees that the Beis Hamikdash can/will descend from heaven which fits with the Gemara Rosh Hashana.
@Reb Eliezer, I would love to see some input.מנחם שמו
Menachem ShmeiParticipantReb Eliezer,
I made a grave error earlier when writing that according to the Rambam kibbutz goliyos is before binyan hamikdash. It was a typo.
The Rambam is clear that Moshiach will build the Mikdash before he gathers the Yidden to Eretz Yisroel (הל’ מלכים פי”א ה”א וה”ד):
המלך המשיח עתיד לעמוד . . בונה מקדש ומקבץ נדחי ישראל . . . ואם יעמוד מלך . . ובנה מקדש במקומו וקיבץ נדחי ישראל הרי זה משיח בודאיRegarding the brocha in Shmoneh Esrei, this is referring to the complete kingship of Moshiach which is only after he completes his main purposes.
The Rambam clearly holds that the Mikdash must be built by Moshiach himself, because if not it wouldn’t be one of the signs of Moshiach.
What does this have to do with a Beis Hamikdash of fire? Melech Hamoshiach is a physical human being, who, according to the Rambam, will build the Beis Hamikdash physically with his hands. After that, the Beis Hamikdash of fire will descend from heaven.
(ראה ערוך לנר סוכה מא, א ד”ה א”נ)Thank you for pointing out the Tosfos Yom Tov which I wasn’t aware of.
The Yerushalmi is explained to be referring to the complete kingship of Moshiach which happens after the entire process.
However, from the Tosfos Yom Tov it is indeed implied that the Mikdash will be built before נצח כל האומות שבסביבו, whereas from the Rambam it is clear that it will be built after. וצ”ע[@common saychel, please excuse me for going off topic]
מנחם שמו
August 3, 2022 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm in reply to: The fake-ocupation cover / mask (fakeupation) #2111807Menachem ShmeiParticipantdbrim, the people of this thread are not ignorant or self-hating, the Israeli government is.
The only one who ignored the first Rashi and declared Israel an occupation is…
Israel itself!When some goyim had “טענות” on them, instead of opening up a chumash (which every Christian and Muslim (l’havdil) believes in), they decided to give up land. THEY declared that this land is no longer a part of Eretz Yisroel (r”l). Then they continued to keep the military there, thus declaring that they are an occupation.
We, who learn chumash, know that Eretz Yisroel is the land gifted to us by Hashem, and is completely not dependent on the decisions and proclamations of a government of (majority) Jewish people, the UN in 1948, or the US. No one has the right to take it away from us, and there is no such thing as occupying a land that always belonged to us.
If only the Israeli government would realize the same thing.Menachem ShmeiParticipantTHE ANSWER IS:
In Yemos Hamoshiach, the Bein Hametzarim greeting will (presumably) be:
“AH GUTTEN MOED!!!”
Chasam Sofer (דרשות לח’ טבת ח”א פז,ב):
אמרו הקדמונים שיהיה י”ז תמוז יו”ט וט’ באב [יו”ט], וכ”א יום שביניהם כמו חול המועד
[When Moshiach comes,] Shiva Asar B’Tammuz and Tisha B’Av will be Yomim Tovim, and the 21 days in between them will be like Chol Hamoed.Menachem ShmeiParticipant“Are we to expect a frum man to be so fickle as to have no control of where his eyes roam?!”
As a frum woman, you clearly know nothing about men (frum or not).
Also, often you are victimizing yourself by thinking that the complaints are coming by men who feel affected by women’s behavior. We men like to complain about EVERYTHING. Whenever we see something that seems to be an infringement on halacha or hashkafa, we like to make a whole tumult about it. Whether it is being done by women, men, children, politicians, or the government – we always have big טענות and start threads about it, etc.
Next time you see a man complaining about tznius, don’t think it’s a personal attack on you, realize that it’s just another halacha that he feels was violated that he has to shout about.
Menachem ShmeiParticipantThese two posts were approved in the wrong order:
August 3, 2022 12:23 am at 12:23 am in reply to: The fake-ocupation cover / mask (fakeupation) #2111493Menachem ShmeiParticipantYserbius123,
Actually, I think I understand what you are saying. They don’t call it Israel but there is no real independent government there, and the territory is being occupied by Israeli forces, so it is technically “occupied territory.”
Menachem ShmeiParticipantThe Rashba writes (שו”ת ח”א סתקפ”א):
מצוה לפרסם עושי מצוהUnfortunately, nowadays, people’s decisions are largely affected by how the rich people behave. Just look at the power that Elon Musk and Bill Gates wield on matters like Covid and free speech. People respect their opinions.
When people see rich people give tzedaka, it inspires them to follow suit.
המעשה הוא העיקר – What will cause more people to give tzedaka? A plaque? Then make a plaque.
[This is similar to the idea of making a big deal out of Torah learning, with siyumim etc., because this shows that we value Torah. קנאת סופרים תרבה חכמה, people get inspired when we show the great value of learning. So it is with all mitzvos, including tzedaka]
מנחם שמו
August 3, 2022 12:22 am at 12:22 am in reply to: The fake-ocupation cover / mask (fakeupation) #2111492Menachem ShmeiParticipantYserbius123,
Did USA occupy Afghanistan? Keeping the peace to protect your citizens and save lives is not called occupation.
Especially when it is in some non-independent terrorist “state”.Menachem ShmeiParticipantReb Eliezer, according to the Rambam the Beis Hamikdash is built after Moshiach wins the wars against the nations and kibbutz goliyos.
(הלכות מלכים פי”א ה”א וה”ד)Although the Raavad and many others disagree with the Rambam on many of his points in these halachos (for example: השגות הראב”ד הלכות מלכים פי”א ה”ג, פי”ב ה”א), no posek disagrees regarding this point.
The כלל is that whenever the נושאי כלים don’t voice their opinion, it means that they agree with the Rambam (משנה למלך הלכות כלאים פ”ט הי”א. שדי חמד כללי הפוסקים ס”ו סק”א. וש”נ).
RebE, I am sure that you know that we rule like the poskim and not like Gemara Bavli or Yerushalmi.
מנחם שמו
P.S. Did you find the answer?
Menachem ShmeiParticipant@common saychel,
Learning from ujm, I apologize if I said anything to hurt you or irritate you.
I understand that your pain is causing you to lash out randomly in every thread about the same one idea (although it’s quite ironic to keep going off topic about going off topic!)
I hope from now on you won’t be irritated by normal conversation, even if it sometimes goes מענין לענין באותו ענין.
Respectfully,
Hatzlacha rabba,
מנחם שמוMenachem ShmeiParticipantI don’t understand the logic to say that “men will anyways hear female singers” –
I assume we are discussing a frum singer who dresses tzniusdik. Why must she dress tzniusdik? People will anyways see immodesty!Obviously, every person is responsible for themselves to behave tzniusdik in public. The same should seemingly apply to singing –
“קול באשה ערוה, שנאמר כי קולך ערב ומראך נאוה” (Brachos 24a).The comparison between a CD and YouTube is ridiculous.
On the other hand, @lakewhut has a very important point: Jewish female singers can be a good influence for Jewish girls instead of the other shmutz on youtube.
Of course, like everything in the life of a frum Yid, every singer must consult her personal rov who can inspect the pros and cons and rule accordingly. I assume that they do so, and therefore there is really no need for us to tell them what to do.
Menachem ShmeiParticipantujm,
Wow, that was beautiful!
I was slightly distressed by the sharpness of the argument above, so I was pleasantly surprised to see this heartfelt comment.
You have inspired me to learn from you in my own life.
Thank you for this valuable lesson.
If we all embrace this attitude, especially now in the 9 days, we can be sure that Moshiach is coming very soon.
Menachem ShmeiParticipantRebE, I was too modest to quote your vort due to the ושל גבוה part 😊
Menachem ShmeiParticipant@common,
“We dont know why and to ask why in my opinon is kifera”
As I brought from the Gemara in Menachos.
@Kuvult, thanks for lightening the atmosphere (even if it had to be macabre humor)July 31, 2022 11:42 pm at 11:42 pm in reply to: Talmeidei Chachamim with kids not like them #2110696Menachem ShmeiParticipant@common saychel, I was just quoting you!
Sometimes we are quicker to point out how someone else needs to fix himself before seeing the same problem in ourselves.
As the Baal Shem Tov explains the reason why Nosson Hanovi gave Dovid Hamelech a mashal for the story of Bassheva, and only after Dovid gave a ruling in that case was he able to apply it to himself.
(הובא בלקוטי מהר”ן קמא קי”ג. וראה גם המבואר בלקוטי שיחות כ”ק אדמו”ר מליובאוויטש ח”ד ע’ 1208)Menachem ShmeiParticipant@common, I’m going off topic in order to protect the readers from the “PURE loshen hora” of this thread. 😊
Menachem ShmeiParticipantSome things are just completely incomprehensible, like the sudden death of an innocent 13-year-old bochur while bringing Yidden closer to Yiddishkeit.
At times like these, we must remember the Gemara about Moshe’s question to the Ribbono Shel Olam when he saw the terrible fate of Rabbi Akiva:
אמר לפניו, רבש”ע זו תורה וזו שכרה
א”ל, שתוק כך עלה במחשבה לפני
מנחות כט, ב-Menachem ShmeiParticipant@coffee addict, well said, thanks.
@common, I apologize for going off topic in the JINO thread. Hope there’s no hard feelings!
July 31, 2022 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm in reply to: Talmeidei Chachamim with kids not like them #2110579Menachem ShmeiParticipantmobico,
“Anyway, to the best of my knowledge, the term Ahavas Chinam was coined by R’ Kook ZT”L”
This is indeed a widespread misconception. It is first found in the talks of earlier chassidishe rebbes.
See talks of the Kozmirer Rebbe (Rav Yechezkel Taub): כמו שחורבן בית המקדש היה על ידי שנאת חינם, כן לתקן זה צריך אהבת חינם, שכל אחד מישראל יאהב את חבירו בחינם
This was also quoted by his grandson the Modzitzer Rebbe.This is also quoted in the name of the Ahavas Yisroel of Vizhnitz.
“I did not know that it was used by the Lubavitcher Rebbe.”
Yes, he used the term many times. Another example (in connection with Rosh Chodesh Menachem-Av, yahrtzeit of Aharon Hakohen):
:בכך נוספת הדגשה מיוחדת בקשר בין חורבן בית המקדש בחודש אב ומיתת אהרן בר”ח מנחם אב: הסיבה לחורבן בית המקדש השני הייתה החטא של שנאת חנם. והתיקון הוא באותו עניין: הוי מתלמידיו של אהרן אוהב שלום ורודף שלום – אהבת חנם
(לקוטי שיחות חי”ח ע’ 412)But anyway, obviously, I agree with you that whatever we call it, the ikar is to actually love every Jew!
Menachem ShmeiParticipantcommon saychel, I’m happy to hear that you love everyone and respect all opinions.
Halevai there would be many more people like you.Unfortunately, there are others who enjoy stoking the flames of machlokes. The topic you brought up is שנוי במחלוקת, and completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
In a thread that was created to emphasize how ahavas yisroel is needed in this month to bring the Geula, why would I answer a question which will DEFINTETLY cause machlokes among Yidden?
There are already countless threads dedicated to debating this topic, and I’m not about to turn this into one of them.
I hope you understand.
מנחם שמו
July 31, 2022 12:48 am at 12:48 am in reply to: Talmeidei Chachamim with kids not like them #2110437Menachem ShmeiParticipantmobico, the מקור for the chiluk is from the fact that there is a chiluk in regards to שנאה:
When the Gemara describes the reason why the Beis Hamikdash was destroyed, it doesn’t just say that it was because of שנאת ישראל or שנאת אחים (like the lashon haposuk לא תשנא את אחיך), rather it emphasizes that this was שנאת חינם. See יומא ט, א.
Obviously אהבת ישראל is pretty much the same as אהבת חינם. But when using the latter term, we are EMPHASIZING that just as they hated other Jews who did nothing bad to them, so too we love other Jews even if they did nothing good for us.
This term was used by many gedolim in recent generations.
For explanation, see for example, the Lubavitcher Rebbe here:
https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=15944&pgnum=338If you don’t want to use the term, no problem. But try not to get irked.
Menachem ShmeiParticipant@Reb Eliezer – “The name Av”
The Lubavitcher Rebbe explains that although on a lower level the name אב shows on the negative aspects of the month (which is why we add the name מנחם as a comfort), on a deeper level, אב brings out the highest form of love that a Father has for His child, which is unconditional despite the child’s improper behavior (like in golus).
On the possuk אנכי אנכי הוא מנחמכם, the Midrash explains (פסיקתא דרב כהנא פסי’ אנכי, יל”ש ישעי’ רמז תעד):
דרכו של אב לרחם, כרחם אב על בנים, ודרכה של אם לנחם, כאיש אשר אמו תנחמנו, אמר הקב”ה אנא עביד דאב ודאם
It is the way of the father to have mercy, and the way of the mother to comfort. Hashem says, “I will be like a father and a mother”
The month of Menachem Av highlights both attributes:
“Menachem” represents Hashem comforting us from previous sufferings.
“Av” represents Hashem’s mercy to protect us from any current/future sufferings and send the Geula.(שיחת כ”ק אדמו”ר מליובאוויטש מטו”מ תשכ”ב. ראה גם תורת מנחם חל”א ע’ 151)
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Menachem ShmeiParticipant“a former First Lady that lost to the 45th president”
קבל את האמת ממי שאמרה 😊
Menachem ShmeiParticipantWe can also get chizzuk from the incredible Yalkut Shimoni about this month:
ילקוט שמעוני ירמיה רמז רנט
עלה אריה במזל אריה והחריב את אריאל . . על מנת שיבוא ארי’ במזל אריה ויבנה אריאל“There arose a lion (Nevuchadnetzar) in the mazal of Lion (Chodesh Av) and destroyed Ariel (the Beis Hamikdash – “G-d’s lion”) – in order that there should come a Lion (Hashem) in the mazal of Lion and rebuild Ariel.”
We see here that the destruction in Chodesh Av was IN ORDER to bring to the rebuilding of the Beis Hamikdash in Chodesh Av.
While we are sad and mourning, let’s remember that the darkness of golus is IN ORDER to bring to the light of Geula (similar to what RebE brought: כל המתאבל על ירושלים זוכה ורואה בשמחתה).
מנחם שמו
Menachem ShmeiParticipant@common,
“Let’s add in Torah and mitzvos (especially ahavas chinam)”
No need to turn this into a machlokes thread.
There are enough of those.July 29, 2022 10:40 am at 10:40 am in reply to: Talmeidei Chachamim with kids not like them #2110235Menachem ShmeiParticipant“Ahavas Yisrael is much more powerful than Ahavas Chinam”
mobico, when the Bais Hamikdosh was destroyed, the Gemara tells us it was due to Sinas Chinam.
In other words, not only did they hate Jews (Sinas Yisroel), but it was for no reason whatsoever (he didn’t steal from him, he didn’t hurt him, just pure senseless hate).
The way to be מכפר for this and bring the Geula is through the opposite:
Not only to love Jews (Ahavas Yisroel) because he did something nice for you, or because he is a mentsch, or a perfect shomer Torah u’mitzvos (or wears the same type of hat as you), rather Ahavas Chinam – for no reason, just because he is a Jew.July 28, 2022 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm in reply to: Talmeidei Chachamim with kids not like them #2110131Menachem ShmeiParticipantmobico,
I understand that you are just trying to bring out the point that there can be a great tzaddik whose son strays from his path, but please, don’t compare current OTD kids to Menasheh! Have some compassion! Do you know what these children go through these days?
The Chazon Ish writes that it’s impossible to compare the כופרים of the olden days to people who go off the derech now, due to the unique darkness and concealment of Elokus that exists in our time.
Instead, we must be mekarev them with love and show them the light of Yiddishkeit as much as possible.
(יורה דעה סי’ ב סט”ז)If this is how it was in the time of the Chazon Ish (when the Am Yisroel was full of bochurim who were true lamdonim in Yeshiva who went after the enlightenment etc.), how much more so in our time when the darkness and ignorance is so much greater, חושך כפול ומכופל.
If כל ישראל יש להם חלק בעולם הבא, even including true sinners and רשעים, how much more so these poor lost souls who are suffering from the darkness of almost 2000 years of golus.
(רמב”ם הלכות תשובה פ”ג ה”ה: וכן כל הרשעים שעונותיהן מרבים דנין אותן כפי חטאיהם ויש להן חלק לעולם הבא שכל ישראל יש להם חלק לעולם הבא אף על פי שחטאו)Let’s treat them with the true compassion and sympathy that they need, and with Ahavas Chinam we will bring them back to their heritage, and most importantly the Geula for all Yidden.
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Menachem ShmeiParticipantMDG, David Duke is an extreme example of extreme.
How about Marjorie Taylor Greene?Menachem ShmeiParticipantMod,
The story that was removed from my post actually brings out a beautiful point, and there is nothing wrong with it. In your opinion…
If I remember correctly this was an actual מעשה שהיה that was mentioned on Halacha Headlines (last year?). I will try to look into it and repost with more accuracy.
I am shocked that from all other posts, this was chosen to be removed!?!?
I’m pretty shocked you don’t understand why it’s a problem.
Menachem ShmeiParticipantI don’t remember who said this vort,
Well that’s good, it’s awful motzei shem rah.
Menachem ShmeiParticipantAvram,
1) I’ve seen this practice in Young Israels and other MO shuls.
2) Why were you at a conservative or reform service?
3) Do they actually sing “bib bam”!? I always thought it was a children’s song!
Menachem ShmeiParticipantReb Eliezer, isn’t it ironic? This thread is about Talmidei Chachomim’s children being less involved in Torah, and you are telling a story of a poshete yid whose son is a great talmid chochom! 😊
The Lubavitcher Rebbe wrote in Hayom Yom (25 Shevat):
Saying Tehillim every day crucially affects the one saying it, his children, and his grandchildren.24 Shevat:
The Tzemach Tzedek once said: If you would know the power of Tehillim and its effect in the highest heavens, you would recite it constantly. The kapitelach of Tehillim break through all barriers and ascend higher and higher.The Frierdiker Lubavitcher Rebbe (Rayatz) writes that the world stands on the poshute Yidden who say Tehillim despite not understanding the words. (Likkutei Diburim)
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July 28, 2022 12:11 pm at 12:11 pm in reply to: Talmeidei Chachamim with kids not like them #2109770Menachem ShmeiParticipantOne of the main innovations of the Baal Shem Tov was the approach to the “poshute Yid.”
In his time many Talmidei Chachomim looked down at poshuteh Yidden who couldn’t receive a proper education and they were considered a lower class that didn’t deserve any of the privileges of the Talmidei Chachomim.
The Baal Shem Tov changed this by putting great emphasis on the holiness and purity of the poshute Yid, how sometimes his sincere words of Tehillim are more dear to Hashem than all the Torah learning of a great scholar.
The Baal Shem Tov embraced and welcomed the poshute Yidden, and inspired them with Ein Yaakov and stories of tzaddikim, and many of his opponents couldn’t handle this and continued to degrade them.
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Menachem ShmeiParticipantAlways,
Obviously, the aforementioned belief is not NEEDED to be shomer shabbos, as I clarified in my last post.
To the best of my knowledge, the Torah doesn’t say that we rest in Shmita because Hashem rested on the seventh day. [Although this may be explained in other places, it is not the explicit reason given in Torah]. Whereas regarding weekly Shabbos this reason is stated explicitly in Torah.
[Maybe this is actually proof that ששת ימי בראשית are 24-hour days. If not, the Torah could have said regarding Shmita, “work for six years and rest in the seventh, because Hashem created the world in six years and rested in the seventh.”
After all, days, months, and years are just תקופות and shouldn’t be taken literally.
(This is obviously not a strong proof because we can’t dictate what the Torah “should have said,” but I’m just turning it back on you.)]מנחם שמו
Menachem ShmeiParticipant@ujm,
“These are mostly nochrim” – and therefore you should pray for their destruction instead of their teshuva?
Maybe you’re a bad faster, but next Yom Kippur, try to follow along in Maftir Yonah.
besalel, indeed there are gedolim who disagree with Rabbi Miller’s approach, but that’s no excuse for bashing such a gadol.
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Menachem ShmeiParticipantubiquitin, I’m happy that you liked the story!
You’re right, even if the 7 days of creation wouldn’t be literal, we would still have to keep Shabbos every seven days (nice example you gave from sukkah!).
There is definitely no worry of people actually not keeping Shabbos because of this (the story was just for comical relief. Although I could imagine someone coming up with this סברה just to excuse himself, but that doesn’t make a difference).The point I was trying to make (as I have seen written by gedolim) was that just as we take the 7 days of work literally, there is no reason not to take the 7 days of creation literally, unless we would have a true Torah’dike reason to think so.
The fact that currently there are scientific theories that “prove” otherwise shouldn’t make us learn apologetic interpretations in the simple pshat of the Torah, Midrash, Gemara, Rashi, etc.
(especially according to the Malbim (and many others) which Reb Eliezer brought)However, your point is true that there are times when Torah tells us that something is a משל, and I wouldn’t say that believing this regarding ששת ימי בראשית is כפירה.
מנחם שמו
Menachem ShmeiParticipantCorrection:
Hopefully, just as it was by the first golus that just when they were holding the lowest level of tumaah (שער המ”ט) Hashem took them out of מצרים, so may it be with our final golus:
Society has sunken to such lows, let’s daven that these people do teshuvah and stop this abomination, and we will also do teshuva for all of the aveiros that we do, and we will immediately be zoche to the גאולה נצחית שאין אחרי’ גלות when all pain, suffering and illness will be removed from the world, and we will joyfully serve Hashem properly. Amen!
[Why daven for punishment when you can daven for teshuva!?!?]
(מקורות:
מ”ט שערי טומאה: ז”ח ר”פ יתרו
סוף ישראל לעשות תשובה בסוף גלותן ומיד הן נגאלין: הלכות תשובה פ”ז ה”ה
גאולה נצחית שאין אחרי’ גלות: תוד”ה ה”ג ונאמר – פסחים קטז, ב
יתמו חטאים ולא חוטאים: ברכות י, א)מנחם שמו
Menachem ShmeiParticipantThis 24 hour argument is out of context.
The discussion is not how Adam Harishon built his clock/sundial (if he divided the day into 24 parts or 12 parts or 2 parts), the discussion is if ששת ימי בראשית were 100 billion years (ר”ל) or six days.
Apologetics vs. Literal understanding of chumash, midrash, gemara, rashi, etc.
I still wonder: Do the apologists celebrate Shabbos with their families every 7 billion years?
I once met a staunch מאמין in science who didn’t keep Shabbos ר”ל. When I asked him why, he said that of course he keeps Shabbos! But according to the orthodox Jews he spoke to, the six days of creation cannot be taken literally, so they must have been billions of years.
“Don’t worry,” he said, “today is still Sunday for me. In 6 billion years I’ll start preparing for Shabbos!”
When I tried explaining him that Shabbos is definitely literal, he argued:
“Don’t lie to me! I know the 10 commandments: Work for six days and rest on the seventh, BECAUSE G-d created the world in six days and rested on the seventh. Whatever 7 days means in creation is what it means with regards to Shabbos!”
[מעשה שהי’ יכול להיות]מנחם שמו
Menachem ShmeiParticipantyungermanS, maybe you should go into fortune telling!
Please tell me, what divine punishment is in store for me?Maybe you can tell me which specific aveira I did to get my finger chopped off when I was a little boy?
[Don’t be afraid to plead the fifth. It’s called שתוק כך עלה במחשבה לפני” (מנחות כט, ב)”]
Menachem ShmeiParticipant“I differentiate between the Yidden and the Goyim who think they’re Jewish.”
That is indeed very important. As the Lubavitcher Rebbe says, when a goy is told by a “rabbi” that he is a Yid, not only does it bring a terrible churban for the Jewish people, but also for the goy himself (e.g., a goy who keeps Shabbos is חייב מיתה).Last week, I met someone on the street who excitedly told me that he is Jewish and he wants to learn more about his heritage.
Before putting on Tefillin with him, I asked him to clarify his roots. It came out he was genetically %59 “Jewish” from his father’s side.
I politely explained him that Judaism does not consider him Jewish, and that he must serve G-d as a righteous gentile (sheva mitzvos).
He walked away quite dejected, but much safer than if he wouldn’t have known, חס ושלום.Boruch Hashem, it is usually easy to be מברר if someone is halachically Jewish or not (aside from when it comes to marriage when we are more מחמיר to be %100 sure).
Menachem ShmeiParticipant@coffee addict,
Yes, my name is based on the Gemara (ירושלמי ברכות פ”ב ה”ד) that says that Moshiach’s name is Menachem.
(וכ”ה באיכ”ר פ”א, נא. משא”כ בסנהדרין צח, ב דשם גרסינן מנחם בן חזקיה)I chose this profile name for two reasons:
1) Since my name is actually Menachem (get it? מנחם שמו?)
2) It’s nice to remind myself about Moshiach when I’m online (every word makes a difference – “צריך כל אדם שיראה עצמו כל השנה כלה כאלו חציו זכאי וחציו חיב. וכן כל העולם חציו זכאי וחציו חיב . . עשה מצוה אחת הרי הכריע “את עצמו ואת כל העולם כלו לכף זכות וגרם לו ולהם תשועה והצלה see Rambam Hilchos Teshuva 3:4)“henceforth it is proof that the rebbe can be moshiach?”
Maybe I’m trying to prove that I can be Moshiach…
[Regarding the names of Moshiach listed in Sanhedrin, the Rebbe’s father Reb Levi Yitzchok writes that all the opinions are true – כל הדעות אמת הם ואלו ואלו דא”ח (לקוטי לוי”צ על מארז”ל ע’ קו)]“I do not have my own opinion”
If you look at what I wrote, I continued that you should ask your rov, which you replied that you did.“I very much deal with…”
Nu, I guess we have a מחלוקת במציאות.
My heart goes out to those holy Yidden who you “very much deal with”. May Hashem bless them and protect them.מנחם שמו
Menachem ShmeiParticipantI wrote:
“Are you ready to (theoretically) let a fellow Yid die (חס ושלום) because you chose (on your own) to follow a certain opinion?”
You wrote:
“accusing Reb Moshe, the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, and the numerous gedolei poskim of “theoretically let a fellow Yid die (חס ושלום) because Reb Moshe, the Kitzur, etc. chose (on their own) to have their opinion””The difference is obvious: THEY are entitled to their own opinion. YOU are NOT entitled to your own opinion.
I don’t know who you are, but I assume that you are not a posek like the aforementioned.“Yes, absolutely I have clarified with my Rov and Posek … they do not have the din of תינוק שנשבה.”
I wonder what qualifications the rov gave you to know if the person is a תינוק שנשבה… Unless maybe he holds that the very idea doesn’t apply anymore, after all, it was only in the days of the Rambam, Shulchan Aruch, and the Chazon Ish that there were plenty of Jews who never received an education about what Shabbos is. Nowadays, every Jewish child learns all about Shabbos, and chooses to violate it anyway. (!?)
Or maybe תינוק שנשבה only applies to close relatives?“The halacha is absolutely clear”
No it is not. For example, I brought several halachic giants who disagree (Mishna Berura, Chazon Ish, Lubavitcher Rebbe). And there are many more. I would say רובם ככולם of poskim hold that today’s estranged Yidden are a very unique case that must be treated very differently than the classic דינים of מומר and מחלל שבת בפרהסיה.“if you were alone … would you save him?”
No. (in the hypothetical case that I would be completely certain that it wouldn’t become known)“A very significant portion (very possibly a majority) of non-Orthodox “Jews” (secular, Reform, Conservative) that self-identify as Jewish, are in fact non-Jewish.”
Again, this is a lie. The vast majority of “non-Orthodox” Jews are halachically Jewish. As I mentioned before, I deal very much with these types of Jews (presumably more than you), and most of them can point to a definitely Jewish maternal bubby or elter bubby, etc. (who is often just as frum as your own bubby. Assuming yours was frum).
You are using your ignorance to cast a libel on millions of holy Jews.“Or the false conversions in Israel of Russians and Ethiopians”
Any conversions by a non-halachic entity are a terrible tragedy.מנחם שמו
Menachem ShmeiParticipantIf the six days of creation weren’t literal 24 hour days, then maybe also Shabbos isn’t literally every seven 24-hour days? Maybe we should rest every 7 thousand years? Or every 7 million years? Or billion?
ששת ימים תעבוד . .ויום השביעי שבת . . כי ששת ימים עשה ה’ . . וינח ביום השביעי
(ראה פרקי דרבי אליעזר פ”ג ואילך; מדרש רבה בראשית; סנהדרין לח, ב. ובכמה מקומות)
מנחם שמו
Menachem ShmeiParticipantAlways, question out of ignorance: Which Rashi? Which rishonim?
Menachem ShmeiParticipant@Always, talking about Shlomo Hamelech and educating one’s son with the rod, let’s not forget what Shlomo’s son Rechavam said about the rod:
“אבי יסר אתכם בשוטים ואני איסר אתכם בעקרבים”
If you have any memory of what you learned in school, you remember how well that worked out.
Balance is always important.[I just noticed that the source is: מלכים יב יד.
Ironically, the source for ירק ירק is: במדבר יב יד]Menachem ShmeiParticipantRabbi YY Jacobson chazzered a beautiful vort of the Belzer Rebbe:
A famous educator in Eretz Yisroel asked the Belzer Rebbe why the style of education changed in this generation, what was wrong with the simple פאטש from previous generations?
The Belzer Rebbe opened up a chumash, and showed him the possuk (במדבר יב יד):
“ואביה ירוק ירק – her father SPITS at her”In Targum, which was written a thousand years later, it says:
“אלו אבוהה מנזף נזיף בה – if her father would CHASTISE her”In Rashi, which was written a thousand years later, it says:
“אם אביה הראה לה פנים זועפות – if her father SHOWED AN ANGRY FACE to her”Nowadays, a thousand years later, concluded the Belzer Rebbe, we must even be careful with our facial expressions when dealing with children.
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