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November 24, 2008 6:51 am at 6:51 am in reply to: Is a Boy Looking to Date a Girl or a Chavrusah? #1217800mekubalMember
Joseph,
I agree with you and others with one caveat. Women can study to the level of Moreh Horah. Also we must recognize that the term “women’s issues” covers a large portion of Torah SheBaal Pe. For instance just the Shulchan Arukh you have all of Orach Chaim, well over half of Yoreh Deah, and all of Even HaEzer. If you take the associated Gemmarrahs, there are more tractates involved than most people will ever master.
However I do agree that organized education in that sense is problematic. However it has been done here in Israel at B”Y Sems under the auspices of the above mentioned Gedolim… However, I will leave what happens at one of their schools up to those very Gedolim as I am sure that they are better able to establish the proper boundaries than I am.
November 23, 2008 5:33 pm at 5:33 pm in reply to: Is a Boy Looking to Date a Girl or a Chavrusah? #1217794mekubalMemberJoseph,
The question came up in a Shiur about a year ago, that he gave at a Semicha ceremony for those of us who completed Hilkhot Niddah and Mikvah. The precise question was could a Rav review with his wife the Hilkhot of Niddah including the relevant Gemmaras so that she could help as a go between in the case of Shailot to save the woman asking embarrassment. That was his answer. For R’ Yosef you can find it in Yalkut Yosef Hilkhot Limud Torah. Considering that R’ Eliashiv has repeatedly referred to R’ Yosef as the Posek HaDor, that in itself constitutes a psak. When dealing with words of such Gedolim I would say it is better to leave to them and aside form that AYLOR.
Other supporting evidence would be the Ben Ish Hai, in Rav Pealim and also in Laws of Women. In laws of women he states that it is a necessity that a woman learn the relevant Torah SheBaal Peh as well as possible.
R’ Yehuda Deri reiterated the same, as well as gave a psak that it is a learning husbands job to see that his wife has the requisite knowledge in the above during a shiur at Yeshivas Toras Yisrael.
Chareidi Midrashot in E”Y teach basic gemmarra skills to the women in third year(yes I know third year has been essentially cancelled this year unless one can prove they will be a teacher) however they quote as their Rabbinic authorites R’ Eliashiv, R’ Auerbach, R’ Styman and the Rebbes of Gur and Belz. Somehow I doubt this would be going on without the support of these Gedolim.
Tzippi,
That may be the case. It is a point that overall to me seems irrelevant, and something I have no desire to argue.
November 23, 2008 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm in reply to: Is a Boy Looking to Date a Girl or a Chavrusah? #1217790mekubalMemberMaRan Eliashiv and MaRan Yosef have both ruled that included in teaching women the laws that apply to them is teaching women any Gemmarra that deals with halakhas that apply to women. Thus the list of exclusion of what a woman could learn B’Iyun is quite small, and the in the end if a woman were to learn all of those b’iyun my guess would be that she would be far ahead of your average Yeshiva Bochur, and even many Kollel learners.
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