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“The RCA rejects conversions done by other Modern Orthodox rabbis and also rejects those done by Chareidi rabbonim, such as the Vaad of Queens (one of their converts was recently deported from Israel).”
The RCA, in compliance to the Rabbanut of Israel, adheres to standards and policies that exclude some MO rabbis. I don’t know about any particular case, like the Vaad of Queens. I don’t even know if they consider themselves charaidi. From what little I can tell from their web site, they are a vaad that is made of the local rabbis, not necessarily charadi.
rebdoniel said “Also, I converted already (with R’ Angel). “
rebdoniel said “I feel that as someone who is Zionist…”
giyoress al pi halacha said “I don’t see how your halachic status could be questioned by anyone.”
Rabbi Marc Angel’s conversions are not accepted by the RCA and consequently not accepted by the Rabbanut of Israel. Did Rabbi Angel tell you that?
Please elaborate on your lack of understanding.
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“ppl chill out what does it bother you if someone talks a different langaugelet them talk the way they want dont let it bother you. “
Some get the feeling that by speaking Yiddish they are doing things better than non-speakers, and therefore those that don’t speak it are lesser Jews. See above.
“MDG: The Sephardic pronunciation has many errors in it. The closest to being correct, by far, is the Teimani pronunciation. “
Maskim 100% 🙂
There seems to be a difference between the Halachic tradition and the Kabbalistic tradition. The BeShT just incorporated more style from the Kabbalistic tradition into the davening.
“The Ashkenazi pronunciation is more correct. “
With accents, Ashkenazim very often mispronounce them. Pick up a Chumash and see where the accents are based on the Taamim. One on my Rebbis pointed out that misplacing the accent, like in the word viAhavTAH in k’riat shema, can change the meaning. Saying viaHAVtah changes the meaning and one may not be yotsai K”Sh (he was not sure though).
The “Sav” (Tav w/o a dagesh) comes from a different part of the mouth (palette) than the S,Z, and Sh sounds (teeth). See the Mishnat HaGR”A or Lishon Chayim. OTOH, I don’t think that it’s sound is a hard “T” like in modern Hebrew, but still the “T” sound is from the right part of the mouth.
W.O.W.
I don’t know how to say this nicely, but here goes. One other issue that you have to remember is that boys, starting from about 13, have a bit of “fire” in their blood.
He already feels that he doesn’t match up to other kids his age. On top of that he got these feelings that no one talks about (especially in frummer circles), so he thinks that either he may be the only one in yeshiva with them or just bad kids have those feelings.
I’m not sure about how to approach it. No teenager would want to talk about it with his mother. Subtlety is key.
“By spending hours on the computer watching these movies, it is helping to prepare him for living that kind of life. He is ‘educating’ himself to be secular”
He has to know that movies are not real: not the plot, not the drama, not the dialogue, and not the characters. Everything is over dramatized.
“Every day he reminds me that he is not going next year to yeshiva, what he will do instead, …. But he may just challenge me and do exactly that to see if I will throw him out of the house. G-d help me. “
It sounds like he is testing to see if he is really loved.
“Rambam uses the word Taalis -so this word wasn’t made up recently by some Koifer. So there is no comparison to something like “Dayog”. “
Tallis was not a Hebrew word (at least not in the Tanakh) and became incorporated at some point. Other words came into Hebrew like Sanhedrin, Gematria, and other Greek words. Do you say that since the Ancient Greeks were depraved pagans that we cannot use their words?
Dayag reminds me of Dayan. A dayag works with dag and a dayan works with din. Is it the exact same rule? I don’t think so, but close enough. Could it have been better? Maybe, but that’s a moot point now.
“So you’re agreeing with me that it wasn’t a good example because it’s slang? You are trying to make it sound like I’m wrong somehow. “
It seems to me that you want to harshly criticize, which is based on Sinat Chinam, and that is wrong. I’m just trying to dan l’chaf zechut.
Health said about Ben-Yehuda: “So I think he made a language to mock LK. That’s why he decided to put the Sefardi pronunciation to it -to make fun of it (LK). “
I think that he understood that the Sefardi pronunciation was more correct.
I know he was a kofer, but that does not invalidate everything that he did.
“I do remember years ago, my husband would complain….”
W.O.W, you mentioned about a month ago about Rabbi Lawrence (Leib) Kelleman. In his book, to Kindle a Soul, he mentions that (good and bad)emotions from parents to young children (when you are building that relationship) come out in the teenage years (when that relationship is tried and tested).
“I do remember years ago, my husband would complain about my son not staying in the shul for all the tefillah, or not praying, or not sitting near him. I told him to just focus on the positive, and forget anything negative. It got to the point where my son didn’t want to daven in his Shul anymore. Then sometimes, they’d argue about it at home. Do you think this could be part of the problem? “
Yes, he has many bad memories of being in shul with his father. He may wake up late and put on tefillin and daven on his own, but he won’t do something that reminds him of bad times. The problem is worsened if your husband compared him to other boys or made mention of what others would think.
It seems to me that your son has lost trust/faith in your husband. And I’m sorry to say this, but lost a little trust in you by extension, although not so much. How to earn it back? That’s the million dollar question (but I can only give you my 2 cents). IMHO give and love unconditionally and don’t get upset when he does something stupid. That does not mean that you cannot set fair boundaries. But when you do set fair boundaries, explain them to him so that he can understand why they are fair. If he violates them, don’t say anything unless it hurts others. And even then, speak calmly.
“he made up words that wasn’t needed…. So here is another example -Dayog -Fisherman. The way to say this in LK is probably Odom Sheoichaiz Dagim (Bemetzoida).”
First of all it should read “he made up words that weren’t needed”
Second of all, all languages evolve and new words are created. Did you ever wear a “tallis”? Did you know that the word “tallis” does not appear in Tanakh. According to your savara, one can’t say tallis (or tallit); one has to say beged im tzitzis al hakanfos OR something cumbersome like that.
“The same reason he made up words that wasn’t needed -like Shairootim for Bais Hakeesay. “
Shairootim means servicies, or as I would translate it in this case “facilities”. You might say to someone in English, “I need to to use the facilities.” It’s just another way to refer to the “Bais Hakeesay”
Not even those lived in the time of the Bible used biblical Hebrew.
One of main differences of Torah Hebrew and the Hebrew of Kutuvim is the style of language (I read that in a sefer, but can’t recall the source). Look at Megillat Ester, for example. It’s Hebrew is much closer to modern Hebrew than the Torah is to Modern Hebrew. The language of Hashem’s Torah is unique. The Hebrew of the Neviim is also unique, but Ketuvim was often written in the vernacular.
oomis1105,
Thanks for that recipe. I printed it already and can’t wait to make it. 🙂
oomis1105,
Thanks for that recipe. I printed it already and can’t wait to make it. 🙂
WOW said:
“He told me that he is only doing this to ‘make me happy’…
He tries to stay away from the chevra during the week, but on Shabbos, he’s a different kid and he spends all his time with these street boys. He’s changing right before my eyes, and after every Shabbos, it’s a little bit worse. His language is terrible, and he is very chutzpadik to my husband. “
Here is what I see from what you wrote. The problem mainly lies with your husband. Your son loves and respects you, but maybe does not feel like he can accomplish. Seems like a self esteem issue.
BUT, with you husband, he has no respect. Why? It seems to me (just my conjecture from what you wrote) that your husband would demand from him to be a little angel, especially on Shabbat. This may have happened even years ago, but the hurt still lingers. I get the impression that your husband would demand of him to sit quietly in shul (on Shabbat), at the Shabbat table, etc. Something about Shabbat makes him want to get out. There is some bad history in his mind.
Furthermore, your son’s chutzpa towards your husband in only a reflection of what he has felt throughout the years. Maybe your husband reminds him of the yeshiva system that he feels abused him; maybe your husband was rather tough with him; maybe he told him to look good in front of others (which says ‘I care about my image with others more that I care about you, son’); maybe he saw your husband demand one thing and do another.
OTOH, he feels that you love him and will go out of your way for him because of your love for him. The biggest example of that is his willingness to go back to school to make you happy. He is reciprocating.
“An interesting point from this would be that if someone who is makpid on Chalav Yisrael was invited for a dairy meal by someone who drinks chalav hacompanies, they should have no problem with the milk/cheese being used.”
According to Rav Moshe, when one b’davka keeps C”Y 3 times, s/he is making a neder. That crosses the line from chumra to Torah law.
Hi,
I’ve been out of the discussion for a long while, and I have little to offer. But one idea that comes to mind is that young men usually have good appetites. I’m sure that after spending a while around town, they could use some good food (as opposed to whatever cheap stuff they were eating). I think that it might get their attention. Maybe take them out – let them choose – maybe something or somewhere new.
“Come to think of it, does anyone know what color a black hat is? “
Good question ZeesKite. One of my hats is dark navy blue, but everyone thinks it’s black. If you put it up to a real black hat, you can tell.
“Just like policemen wear a uniform lehavdil so too us, we are the ambassadors of torah and we should wear a uniform including a hat. “
You can’t say that you are an ambassador of Torah while making up customs that are not in the Torah and passing them off as if they are.
If you want to tell me that this a social norm, then fine with me. But don’t judge others based on it. And don’t push them to have to conform to your social norms if they don’t want to. If, l’havdil, every kids was wearing a NY Jets shirt and yours didn’t, would you feel right about him being treated as less. It seems to me that many who wear a hat look at others who don’t as being less frum.
Sam2, thank you for teaching me that.
“The mishna brura paskens one must always wear a hat for davening and bentching. “
BTW, has anyone seen a Rav or R”Y wear a black hat during Shacharis?
They almost always have their talis over their head, not a hat. What happened to that halacha then?
The Shulchan Aruch says that it it assur to go with one’s head uncovered, but in the B”Y he says that’s a midat chassidut.
Check the CRC web site to know which flavors are kosher.
Some diet flavors (like pepsi) have milk protein to help them not freeze solid. Kosher but dairy.
“The Mishnah B’rurah does not say it for Bentsching (as far as I know). The citation that Gabei is misrepresenting is 91:12. “
I am familiar. I just wanted gabie to find out what (s)he’s misrepresenting.
“The M”B says a hat is needed in addition to a yarmulka.”
You forgot the opening word of that comment in the M”B, “bizmaneinu” – in our time. In his time, he points out, it was the way of respect to wear a hat. Even before JFK hat usage was in decline. JFK just put in the final nail in that coffin. Nowadays, no one (outside of a few of us holdouts) wears a hat. So I don’t think that anyone can claim that it is mandatory today. IMHO, a jacket (mentioned in the Sh”A) and tie would be more a derech of cavode today.
gabie,
Do you have source for that? Please show a citation.
PS – I love casting asperations on a “Talmid Chochom” who is “megaleh ponim b’torah”. I consider it a Kiddush Hashem.
Am not referring to anyone in particular. Just saying.
It’s bad enough that you speak L”H, but you try to cover it up with “Am not referring to anyone in particular. Just saying.” Your denial of your L”H makes it that much harder for you to do teshuva.
I get the impression, from the stuff above, that to be part of the Yeshivish world you have to join a moshav leitzim and say motsai sheim ra.
I wish people were only as careful as to what comes out of their mouth as what comes in their mouth.
If you really believe that that YCT is so bad, pray for them to get better (which I did). See Brachot 10a, where Bruriah tells her husband, Rebbi Meir, to pray for the return of the Biryonim and not speak ill of them. This moshav leitzim is not helping anyone.
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There are rich and poor in any community. You are just noticing what you want to notice.
It reminds me of the story, where after a wedding, a man says to the Rabbi, “Did you see how immodest some of those women were dressed?” The Rabbi responded, “How come I didn’t notice?”
“there is a discrepancy in those tables if you count the years of the individual kings- you get to 383-if you extrapolate the dates -it is 374- Maybe you can make some sense in this.”
The first Bait Hamikdash was built 4 years into Shlomo’s reign of 40 years, so add 36 to 374 = 410.
In short:
Yetsiat Mitsriam – 2448
1st Temple built – 2928
1st Temple destroyed – 3338
“Hats were always a sign of kavod until Mr. John F. Kennedy came along and threw his hat off. “
From what I heard, hats were becoming less popular anyways before JFK. He just accelerated that trend.
At the end of Divrai Hayamim (36:21), it talks about the exile of 70 years for neglecting Shita:
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Nowadays, people need Torah and Mitsvot – not only for Olam Haba – but for Olam Hazeh also.
“I will quote the Chazon Ish though, who says that it’s whatever age a person starts to have a Yetzer for a girl.”
OTOH, I think that a girl has to learn a sense of tsinuit early (chinuch).
Maybe the different ages are based on different criteria.
“As far as your assertion of the dates coming from Torah and neviim-I think that -if you count the years of “malchus jehuda’ until the churban bayis rishon- you will find that it does not reach till 420 either.”
See this link that does the math and biblical citations:
http://www.dafyomi.co.il/kerisus/jewishkings.pdf
Mods, please let this through. You can see that it’s from a Torah teaching web site.
There is a balance in the world.
from rabbiofberlin:
” but the archeological and historical evidence that the churban bais rishon was much earlier than the dates you mention.”
I have not heard of any real archeological findings that prove 586 BCE. If you find any, please show me (the web site). AFAIK, the date of 586 BCE came from Josephus, and everyone seems to accept it at face value.
“You have the luxury to dismiss the historians’ claim but many people feel uncomfortable being blind to solid evidence.”
According to wikipedia (Solomon’s Temple),
Because of the religious sensitivities involved, and the politically volatile situation in East Jerusalem, only limited archaeological surveys of the Temple Mount have been conducted. Since no excavations have been allowed on the Temple Mount during modern times, there is no direct archaeological evidence for the existence of Solomon’s Temple….
“BTW- it is not exactly one of the “ani maamin’s to accept blindly the calculations and dates that you mention. “
Many of those calculations come from the Torah, the Neviim, and our mesorah. Maybe some of it is up to debate.
I used AZ an is in Avodah Zarah, which their “calendar” is based on (see A”Z 8a).
It also depends on sensitive you are to smoke and the smell that lingers.
I had a morning charvuta that would smoke in the evening. The next morning, when we would learn, I found it repelling to speak with him.
While I mainly agree with the article and don’t think that shlissel challah is of any value (if even muttar), I find part of the above article to be too sensational in it’s intellectualism. I don’t think that anyone who does this practice uses it as an intermediary for Hashem as the article asserts.
Chazal’s timeline works out perfectly:
Avraham was born in 1948 and had Yitschak in 2048.
There were 400 years until freedom from Egypt (2448) and another 480 until the first Beit Hamikdash was built in 2928.
We are in 5772 and the 2nd Temple was destroyed in (about) 69 AZ, which was 1943 years ago, so the 2nd Temple was destroyed in the year 3829.
The first Temple stood for 410 years and the second for 420 (see first perek of B”B) and there was 70 years of exile in between. That’s a total of 900 from the beginning of the first to the end of the second.
Start with the beginning of the first, in 2928, and add 900, you get 3828 – which everyone agrees to as the end of the second Temple (give or take one year – but one out of 5772 is close enough).
“The ARI HaKodesh instituted Nusach Sefard. I would take the AriZal anytime.”
Where is that written?
AFAIK, he used what was the Mesorah in Egypt and E”Y at the time – Sephardi. He provided incites into the deeper meanings and Kavanot, but he did not write a new Siddur. If I’m wrong, please provide a source.
ZeesKite,
Why are you crying?
exlakewoooder,
The prohibition of touching is included among the arayot in Acharai Mot (chapter 18) and Kedoshim (Ch 20).
We easily assume that all single ladies are not tahor. A Nidah is considered like all other arayot (Ramabam – Issurai Biah – Chap 4)
WOW,
I think something you wrote in another discussion explains why your son is OTD and hangs out on the street: “He went through a tough period in school where the kids made fun of him…”
His school friends don’t accept him, whereas the street kids do.
It’s good that all adults are showing him love, but I think that he needs acceptance from his own peer group. It seems to me that he may need a new peer group. Even if his present (or should I say past) group of classmates don’t bother/ostracize/reject him, they still have lost all credibility with him. He will not forget what they did to him.
Lauren Bacall’s father’s name was Persky (sp?) like Shimon Peres’ original name. Peres changed it to sound more Hebraic. Bacall changed her last name to her mother’s maiden name when her father walked out on them.
“MDG: That’s not an Issur of Kol Isha, that’s an Issur of looking/interacting with a woman in any way for inappropriate enjoyment. Afilu Etzbah K’tanah… “
IMHO, inappropriate enjoyment of the voice is called Kol Isha.
Anyways, I was quoting the Magid Shiur that I learned it from. For the sake of anonymity, I’m not saying who it was.