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In this case it was malicious.
Ein Hachi Nami, “violence” is too strong a word. But the point still stands that the flag burners are acting on their malice.
Joseph,
What do you consider yourself?
“The name isn’t the critical point. “
So why did you bring it up?
Also, like I asked you before, if you consider yourself Charaidi, why are you on the internet so much?
“Whats the difference with all of you making fun of shtreimlich and Bnei Yoel burning the israeli flag?”
A couple things:
1) We are talking in jest, without any malice, whereas the flag burners are driven by hatred.
2) Nothing physical is happening here, whereas the flag burners are acting violently.
“How about you prove that either those called Orthodox or Chareidi adopted either of those names for themselves.”
How about you prove that the MO leadership gave themselves that name. Like when did they sit around and decide that?
The last time I was in the city, I went to Talia’s.
I chose it because it’s bishul Yisrael (according to all) and Yashan (not a problem right now).
The food was good. They often have a groupon.
Even if a fedora blows off, it still is 1/10 the cost of a streimel. at that rate, you can get a few new hats and still come ahead.
“chareidi was imposed on them by outsiders ” – from above.
What’s your proof?
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” It originated in Eretz Yisroel as a way to describe those who followed the Eidah HaChareidis….” – from “who-is-a-chareidi” thread
So the Eidah used the word “charaid” to describe themselves.
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You bring no proof and your words contradict.
akuperma said:
“2. The Muslim worlds is very left-wing in economics (as are orthodox Jews), and for the most part ignore racial and ethnic boundaries.”
They are left wing in spending other peoples money on them, i.e. mooching on the system. If/when they have money they don’t freely distribute it.
Arabs are racist. THe koran has been edited, but it used to have nasty comments about blacks.
Many Charaidi school have quotas against Sefaradim. Many Sefaradim went OTD when they came to E”Y because they could not get into religious schools due to quotas, and the zionists were too happy to get their clutches on them.
“There’s a halacha in the SH”A that a man is required to walk in the street with his head bent so low that he can see at the most, 4 amos in front of him.”
It says not to walk with a straight back, not necessarily bent over. The Kaf Hachaim says that it means to not be too upright as not to see the ground in front of you. He also says that one should not be bent over so as not to see what’s ahead. In short, a medium stance.
An example of a Midat Hassidut in the Sh”A is not going 4 amot without a head covering. In the Beit Yosef, he says that it’s a Midat Hasidut.
“Liberals are anti Christian and by being pro Islam, they are fighting against the Christian religion, which this country was founded on.”
I agree 100%. But not only that, they are generally anti-Judaism.
The hate their past and anything that reminds them of it.
They hate morality as they know it.
They have guilt for being white (ex-colonizers), so they celebrate the darker peoples. That’s why when an Israeli (half are ex-European) hurts an Arab, it’s news (vicarious white man guilt). But when darker people hurt someone “whiter” or hurt each other, like Arab on Arab or African on African, they don’t make any noise. No white man guilt.
“the median figure is about 5,000 usd per year over your whole career”
I just googled it. The median income gap is much wider, more like $20,000.
See wikipedia for an example:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States
Here’s the federal government’s statistics, showing an income gap of over $400 plus weekly:
bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm
I didn’t mean one to the exclusion of the other. I was paraphrasing from “old man” from the first page. I’m sorry for any confusion.
Lost time from learning, both during college and working in the corporate world. Kefira also, I suppose. But as mentioned much earlier (on the first page of this thread) this is the standard charaidi Litvish shita.
Joseph brought up the news story above about Rav Shteinman being against even a frum college.
Why did Rav Shteinman say that?
The simple answer is that he feels that college, even a frum college, is no place for a nice frum lady. I think that he might have another end goal.
A friend of mine, when he was in kollel in Jerusalem, had a fellow Kollel Yungeliet that was close to Rav Chaim Pinchas Sheinberg. His friend told him that Gedolim, like Rav Sheinberg, did not like the present system of women working so much out of the home, BUT the Gedolim do not protest because their words would not be accepted (if not worse).
With that idea in mind, maybe Rav Shteinman is for a system where the women will stay as the Akeret Habayit, and the man will worry about parnasa.
” The Chafetz Chaim said that the troubles and killing that the Jews have suffered till then will be, by comparison, “a kinder shpeel – child’s play.””
My understanding was the C”C was referring to loss of emunah due to turmoil. In other words, as time goes on and societal upheaval gets larger and larger (with or without war), it will become harder and harder to have emunah.
“There wasn’t a new poverty crisis that didn’t previously exist in that timeframe. Poverty was a fact of life for centuries among European Jewry.”
No new poverty, but at that time many Jews were going OTD because of poverty.
“MDG: I overlook inaccurate questions.”
Well, let’s put it another way. While you are not here all day, you are on the internet a lot. For a guy who seems so yeshivish, why are you on the internet so much?
“But even in 1939 (the year WWII broke out) the footsteps of war were loud and clear. They weren’t considering to move talmidei yeshiva halfway across the globe to find a more prosperous lifestyle. He is saying that a ???? ??????? is worse than a ???? ??????.”
I agree that he knew bad stuff could very well happen, but he said Sakana not “with certainty”. He was not talking about definite mass murder of about 90% of the Jews of that area.
“There wasn’t a new poverty crisis that didn’t previously exist in that timeframe. Poverty was a fact of life for centuries among European Jewry.”
No new poverty, but at that time many Jews were going OTD because of poverty, something that they did not or could not do before. Secular society was more welcoming.
See what Rav Avigdor Miller said about how assimilation (Chillul Shabbat of going to work in particular) had “escalated out of control” during just the 6 years he spent in Kovno. (Beyond Reasonable Doubt By Shmuel Waldman, page 207)
Joseph,
You still did not answer the second question:
(If you are so yeshivish) why are you on the internet all day?
??? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ????? ???????
He said a danger of Gashmiut, i.e. poverty. He did not say Sacanat Nefasashot.
Furthermore, he wrote the letter in 1939, two years before the Nazis y”sh were anywhere near Baronovich.
“With or without water?”
Other relevant questions are:
- Is there more water than apple sauce and oil?
- How are you going to use it?
- Is the taste of the apple sauce or juice noticeable? This Q is more applicable for Sepharadim.
“Sooner or later the Islamic world will get its act together, and the zionist dream will go up in smoke.”
You’re dreaming of a mass murder of Jews?!! Disgusting!!!
That is very dangerous thinking. You can justify near anything that way.
As mentioned above, according to the GRA a custom needs a clear mesorah to not be chukat hagoyim. Therefore shlissel hallah would be a issur dioryta.
“How many people were killed In the 1948 war 1956 war 1967 & 1973 wars first and second intifadas and in other terror attacks in Israel put those numbers together and you’ll be easily able to disprove the idea that Israel is a “safe haven” for jews”
<sarcasm> If you count how many Chassidim have been killed (HY”D) in the past 250 years, maybe one can say that being Chassidish is dangerous. </sarcasm>
“That doesn’t make any sense since there have been (and currently are) many great tzadikim among the chasidim that remained chasidic and many that were not chasidic but became chasidic. “
You’re right. I was putting out a counter-point to show the silliness of the OP. Speaking of which, all Chassidish rebbes can credit their non-Chassidish ancestors.
Seriously, AFAIK there was a lot of cross pollination between families and ideas, so everyone has some of this and that. Furthermore, it’s not for us to judge Gedolim.
“Rav Moshe’s great-grandfather Rav Dovid, was a Koidenover Chosid, as was Rav Moshe’s father, Rav Dovid, in his youth.”
“The Steipler’s father (Rav Chaim’s grandfather) was a Chernobyl chossid.”
The OP intimates that they were great because they came from Chassidish stock. Maybe their greatness came because they stopped being Chassidish.
Many of the Talmidai HaGra moved to E”Y, so I think it would be hard to trace them.
“Like Haman would not have noticed some random person not bowing”
According to the pesukim, it seems that Haman did not notice Mordechai not bowing until others brought it to his attention.
From the third perek:
? ??????????? ??????? ?????????, ??????-????????? ?????????–????????????: ???????? ?????? ??????, ??? ??????? ?????????. ? ???????, ????? (??????????) ?????? ???? ??????, ????? ??????, ????????; ???????????? ???????, ???????? ??????????? ???????? ??????????–????-??????? ?????, ??????-???? ????????. ? ???????? ?????–????-???? ??????????, ??????? ??????????????? ???; ??????????? ?????, ?????.
This guessing who is getting fun.
I find it interesting that the Mods are including names of people who have not been active in a while (some of whom I miss).
It’s more bees with honey.
If you want to catch fruit flies, put a couple ounces of apple cider vinegar with a drop of dish soap in a cup.
I always liked going out to eat. I’m a stickler for table manners.
Also it depends on how much money you have and want to spend. And on how much she may be expecting (hard to know).
Another approach might be to go out for dessert, somewhere in between.
First make sure that you are up on the halachot, e.g. maybe there is a tsad heter. Perhaps the person relies on a minority opinion (if there is one, IDK).
Figure out the person’s religious level. You already said that s/he probably carried on Shabbat. Is there a reliable eruv? There level is important to know if they really care, so that you know if they are approachable.
Find someone whom they will listen. If not, proceed with the utmost of care. Show them genuine concern for them.
Maybe you should ask the Rav of your shul.
If you’re not into them, then don’t partake.
I never B”N eat at kiddushes. I make sure to have some coffee in the morning. That way, if my family or guests come really late from such a kiddush and we start after chatzot, then I will not have fasted on Shabbat. In fact that’s what happened this past Shabbat.
As far as what people do, I’m not to judge negatively. People want to include others in their simcha, which is a nice thing. I still try to thank the host, even though I don’t eat. They still put out food for me and included me in their simcha.
“Rav Ovadiah Yosef disagrees with this, He allowed his daughter Adinah Bar Shalom to open Charedi College and when he was alive he taughter classes there.”
The question is not college, but rather hearing kefira at a chiloni college. Rav Ovadia Yosef might agree with Rav Moshe Hillel Hirsch because ROY encouraged a Charedi college, perhaps as an alternative to a chiloni college.
While I appreciate his warnings about keeping away from kefira, his economic plan is severely lacking. Having faith in Hashem is not an answer for most people. See Brachot 35b (maybe 36b) where it says that the way of Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai (learn only) doesn’t work for most.
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” Those gedolim who decided what they decided, feel a total sense of responsibility and empathy towards every single one. They feel each person’s pain and their hardship in earning their bread. “
In Brachot, around 25-26, Rabban Gamliel visits the home of Rebbi Yehoshua and is taken aback by the poverty. In that case, the Gadol had no idea how his own colleague was living until he went and saw it.
Weekly, I take:
15,000 units of D
A few multi vitamins
A few grams of C
A few zinc pills
“Sorry MDG ,presumably you’re capable of a little researching.”
Like I said, I did, but nothing came up in google. So I asked you to provide sources. I’m still waiting.
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“Are these just your ( and MDGs)attempts to avoid the main topic/s of the thread?”
I addressed the main topic 4 years ago. I also brought backup as I possible could.
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“Do the up and coming generation of Talmidei Chachomim appreciate the sacrifices the klal are making on their behalf & are they preparing to give back accordingly?”
The up and coming generation of Talmidei Chachomim are already giving to the community by sitting and learning, giving Klal Yisrael zechut right now. See Sanhedrin 98b.
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“When a person learns, he should not learn just for himself, he should learn for klal yisrael. If he is only able to stay in learning for a couple of years, he should learn with intention to give over to cheder age talmidim. If he is zoche to learn for several more years, he should keep in mind that he should be able to give over to mesivta level bochurim. And if he could learn even longer, he should prepare himself to be a rosh yeshiva. A person should always prepare to give over to the tzibbur .”
That’s exactly what I was trying to say with the mountain mashal above. Not everyone will be a Gadol, but everyone will have his own tefisah and be able to do something with it (each person will get his own piece of the mountain). Rabbi Dessler, on the other hand, is saying that the price to make gedolim is having people go OTD. “1000 fools die to obtain one genuine scholar.” That’s a big difference to me.
Concerning paper towels ans kitniot, my Rav said to just avoid the first few and last few paper towels, as the kitniot is used as glue in those places.
“It is appropriate to urge people not to deviate from this ancient minhag.”
If you want to go back to ancient times, the Gemara (Shabbat 119 B, first few wide lines IIRC) mentions three things for mosai Shabbat: Warm bread, Warm water, and a calf’s kidney.
MDG ,
“I don’t read modox journals, “
If you’re using a quote…
You’re the one supposedly quoting.
And I challenged you to provide backup for you quotes (of 100 Divisions, modox journals). I’m still waiting.
“I was once in New Hampshire, land of the moose.”
That may mean only one moose. Even in a smaller state, that’s a lot of land to find one moose.
“Churchill was worth 100 Divisons”
Please quote a source if it’s real. That does not come up in google, even when correcting the spelling error.
DY,
You are leaving me in suspense. Please tell me why Tueaday.
MDG
Goodness.
So the hundreds of times that was quoted in modox journals ,publications (,and more recently blogs)to buttress their lifestyle,have all been completely disingenuous ?
I don’t read modox journals, so I don’t know about “hundreds of times…” Where did you get the idea of hundreds or is it something you just made up?
Furthermore, I’m here to discuss texts and ideas. If you can quote a text and discuss coherently please do so. Vague references to what some people say are meaningless.
“IT is a Chazal “Vayikra Rabbah 2:1, “One thousand students enter to study Mikra…”
is NOT the same as
“It is better that 1000 fools die to obtain one genuine scholar.”
The first is saying that while everyone is trying to learn and grow, only one will become a posek. The second is saying that many will “die”.
LeMashal, the first is saying that while many climb the mountain only one will reach the top. The rest will still get somewhere. The second says one will reach the top while many of the rest will fall off.
Joey, see the difference?
How about eating a hot dog in front of a dog?
How about in front of a dachshund, a “wiener dog”,?