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In the overwhelming majority of cases it is the ancestors who went off or were forced off.
mdd1ParticipantIt is by far, by far more of a second (the ancestors going off) than the first.
mdd1ParticipantYabia Omer, you are so clueless about how the Ashkenazim are! It is impossible to keep in the fold those 80% without compromising Halocha. Nobody was mafkir them, they did it to themselves or their ancestors went off and the descendants are not easy to repair.
mdd1ParticipantJackk, when there are a lot of Jews together, like in Uman on R. H, then it is different. It is difficult to attack a crowd.
Regarding the Chabad it is a blatant, verifiable propaganda lie!mdd1ParticipantAAQ, no, no, you can not let those horrible Russians bomb anything even the Hitler’s bunker in Berlin. Oh, those Russkies!
mdd1ParticipantYO, I already answered your question. “The Yeshiva world” is an idiom with a certain meaning. Stop pretending you do not understand. AAQ, the same goes for you.
mdd1ParticipantWhen they say “the Yeshiva world” they mean what I wrote. Just explainnig the idioms to YO who pretends not to know them.
mdd1ParticipantJackk, AAQ, do you know that it is sakonas nefoshos to wear a yarmulke in the street in Ukraine?!? In Russia it is also dangerous, but in Ukraine it is worse.
mdd1ParticipantJackk, what in the world are you talking about? How many shuls are there already in Ukraine? And again, Putin does not target neither the shuls, nor the Jews ,nor the Ukrainian civilians. Stop with the propaganda hysteria.
mdd1ParticipantAccording to AAQ, the US has not gone to war in the last 80 years. Yep, sure.
mdd1ParticipantAnd partially to philosopher.
mdd1ParticipantYou have been swept by the ignorant and biased media frenzy. Learn the true facts.
mdd1ParticipantYabia Omer, The Yeshiva world is BMG, Mir, Beis Ha’Talmud, Chaim Berlin etc. Do not pretend you did not know this. Having a cheilek in Torah and being a Torah Jew are two different things. Do not pretend to be that ignorant. Is an OTD fellow a Torah Jew? However, potentially he has a cheilek in Torah.
mdd1ParticipantAvira, what’s your point?
mdd1ParticipantAvira, wearing tzitzis and a yarmulke are enough reminders of Jewishness, strictly speaking.
mdd1ParticipantYabia, what do you mean by “the Sefardi derech”? We do not know what you refer to.
Ujm, Rav Shach was in theory “land for peace”. Le’ma’ase he was strongly opposed to it as he did not trust the Arabs. I think he was also opposed to joining a left-wing government in Israel.mdd1ParticipantUJM, you are totally misinformed about what Rav Shach held.
Yabia, Shas was lead by Chacham Ovadia. He did not know about the Sefardi mesora? Or according to you, the Sefardi mesorah means kullos through the roof and anything goes, chas ve’sholom?mdd1ParticipantUjm, Germany is a separate story. There the assimilation started much earlier. Yaakov Doe was referring to the Eastern- European Jews who immigrated to the US.
October 3, 2022 9:06 pm at 9:06 pm in reply to: Putin’s attempted annexation of four Ukrainian provinces #2129305mdd1ParticipantChiefshmerel, there is also a statue of Symyon Petlura in Kiev. His army did a repeat of the Tach ve’Tat in 1918-1920.
mdd1ParticipantI meant, the north-eastern parts threw off the yoke of the Mongols.
mdd1ParticipantThe Ukr. nationalists did not want to be friends with Russia — they hate Russia. Always…, the vote took place in 2014 only in Crimea.
Yea, a Russian troll who reveals to you that it is dangerous to wear a yarmulke in the street in Russia.mdd1ParticipantAlways, wrong guess. Try again.
So, in the 13th century, Rus’ was overrun and demolished by the Mongols. Its’ north-eastern part fell under the overlordship of the Golden Horde, a Mongol state, but they were allowed to retain their government structure with a broad autonomy, and the local leaders were dukes descendant from the old Grand Dukes of Kiev. The western parts of Rus’ were divided between Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. They, however, did not retain autonomous government structures and just became parts of the Grand Duchy or colonies of Poland. Eventually, the north-western parts overthrew the yoke of the Mongols and formed an independent Russian state. After Chmelnitskiy, imach shmo, rebelled against the Poles, his people decided to become an autonomous part of Moscow’s Russia, and Russia agreed to defend them against the Poles.mdd1ParticipantGanza never played a big role there, even though Novgorod was a member of the League. Moscow was a small city/town in the later Kievan Rus’ period. To be continued…
mdd1ParticipantHow I came to have such views will have to remain an enigma.Though, I think, you can decipher it if you try.
The answers to the history questions will have to wait till later tonight — I have run now.mdd1ParticipantAlways…, I understand that legally Ukraine is a sovereign country. So what business does Russia have getting involved there? However, if you know that originally they were one country for centuries and then again from 1654 till 1991, and that the dukes of Moscow had in the interim always wanted to reunite with the western parts of the original Russia, and that many people in southern and eastern Ukraine want the reunion now, and that they and Russia resent tremendously the anti-Russian brainwashing and falsification of history conducted by Ukrainian nationalists in Ukraine, you start to see the Russia’s view on the situation.
mdd1ParticipantI hesitate to accept Ujm’s praise.
Chiefsmerel, my knowledge of history is based on solid sources.
Always…, on which matter?mdd1ParticipantActually, Always…, I do not want to reveal too much, but I will tell you that I, for sure, know more about the situation there and the historical background thereof than an average person in the US, Canada or the UK.
I would like to add: FYI — you can not walk in the street in a yarmulke in Russia. In Ukraine it is even worse. Sakonas nefoshes.
If you do not wear anything specifically Jewish, it is okay. Still you have to beware of the regular criminals. Especially, if you are a foreigner who may be presumed to have money, and you are in Ukraine. I am also not sure if being a western guy is popular in Russia these days.mdd1Participant“How can you be happy about people walking in the dark…” — Amerikanishe sensibilities and wrong ones at that. They are their enemies. How can you be happy about a person dying? Yet the Shulchan Aruch says that if a rasha dies, you are supposed to be happy about it.
mdd1ParticipantJackk, how about the Palestinian civilians in Gaza, including children, killed by Israeli bombs?
Those pro-Russian civilians from eastern Ukraine wanted to leave the war zone. Ever thought of it?mdd1ParticipantCheifshmerel, I almost want to rip my hair out! Lithuania before WWI and controlling Kiev and Odessa no less!?! It was not independent before WWI, and neither was Poland. Kmelnitski was most certainly a Ukrainian! You spin the history by your sheer ignorance of it. Russian was not good to the Jews, but Ukraine was even worse.
Always…, are you aware that many people in southern and Eastern Ukraine do want to join Russia? And there would be more of them in central Ukraine, but the people there were brainwashed after 1991? Russia was spooked by the violent overthrow of the Ukrainian government, by the way.mdd1ParticipantJackk, more and more fake news! The ones “deported” to Russia wanted to go there (at least, almost all of them). Stop swallowing the propaganda? Graves in Izum? Were those people killed unintemtionally by shelling? Caught in the crossfire?
mdd1ParticipantChiefshmerel, you words show clearly that you do not have even the most basic knowledge of those countries’ history! What you wrote about Ukraine being a part of Austria and Poland applies only to the Western Ukraine (Galicia). Most of Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire. The Ukrainians were worse toward the the Jews than the Russians! Especially when they were independent. Remember Tach ve’Tat massacres? The Petlura pogroms? Most pogroms in the Russian Empire were carried out by Ukrainians in Ukraine. Learn the history!
mdd1ParticipantAlways, come on — you do not know the history of those places. Moscow principality was ruled by the direct descendants of the Grand Dukes of Kiev. Why Ukraine was not in charge of Moscow? I can not teach you a full course on the Russian (and Ukrainian) history in the coffee room here. Get yourself a reputable book on the subject and learn it in the bathroom — to avoid bittul Torah.
mdd1ParticipantUjm, they are distinct from the regular Russians, but are very close to them.
mdd1ParticipantAlways, both the principality of Galicia and the principality of Moscow used to be part of the Kievan Rus’.
mdd1ParticipantAlways, Ruthenians called themselves “Russini” — extremely close to Russkiye. The Grand duchy of Moscow emerged from the old Rus’. You do not know the history of those places, my freind. Like I said, go learn it. It is an outrageous Polish lie — to claim that the Russian kingdom of Moscow had nothing to do with the old Russia of Kiev.
Overall, the Ukrainians were a majority in eastern Galicia, but not in the cities.
The Ukrainian Catholics were ethnic Ukrainians who because of the centuries of pressure converted.
Stop with your anti-Russian hysteria already.mdd1ParticipantAlways…, learn some Russian (and Ukrainian) history, and you will see that your comparison to the Arabs have nothing to do with the facts.
A thousand years ago there existed on the territory of what is now northern and western Ukraine, Belarus and western Russia a country called “Rus'”. Rashi and Tosfos called it Russiya. Nobody beard of Ukraine till many centuries later. Stop with your anti-Russian propaganda.mdd1ParticipantUjm, my friend, I am glad to share with you this piece of history. The city of Lvov was founded by a Russian Grand Duke of Galicia in the 13-th century. I think it was Daniil Galickij who named the city after his son Lev. The people who lived there at the time did not know they were Ukrainians. They thought they were Russian. The area was occupied by Poland in the 14-th century and it remained under the Polish rule till the end of the 18-th century when it was annexed to the Austrian Empire. Lvov became Lemberg. The indigenous population always remained of Russian extraction, however by the end of the 19-th century they started to view themselves as Ukrainians. They tried to break independent after the WWI, but were occupied by Poland. Lviv is the Ukrainian name for the city. The Russians and Poles call it Lvov.
mdd1ParticipantAlways…, please stop repeating the vile Polish-Ukrainian propaganda about the USSR starting the WWII together with the Nazis. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was a temporary marriage of convenience. Stalin was worried that he would be left to fight Germany alone and he was trying to buy more time for Russia to prepare for the war. He was also trying to move his western border father to the west by incorporating western Ukraine and Belarus into Russia, the territories which Poland grabbed after WWI and which did not rightfully belong to her. As far as the Baltics go, it is more difficult to justify, but again he was trying to move the border west, spread the Soviet system (a legitimate goal in his eyes). Also the Baltic countries used to be a part of the Russian empire. Though I agree that they were not real Russians and did not want to be a part of Russia.
mdd1ParticipantJackk, the reason for the Russian setbacks is that Russia does not have enough troops in the Ukraine as Putin, so far, has refused to order a general mobilization or even to use conscripts in the invasion force ( he is concerned it may be unpopular among the Russian public). Meanwhile, Ukraine has conducted a general mobilization.
Always…, FYI, the main credit for defeating the Nazis goes to the USSR.mdd1ParticipantCuriousity, if they were waved in by the security people, I hear. However, I do not believe that version of the story unless backed up by serious evidence. And to “create shock and awe” is a legitimate reason — in the Torah law it is called “le’ma’an ishmeu ve’irau” and migdar milsa. So that they do not think of doing such a thing another time.
mdd1ParticipantCuriuosity, do you understand the difference between looting a story and storming one of the seats of the US government in order to illegally transfer power to someone to whom it does not belong?
mdd1ParticipantAviraDeArah, what is the issue with women driving? I do not see a problem with it.
mdd1ParticipantUjm, I actually heard that the stripes and their order on our Ashkenazi talleisim are there for Kabbalistic reasons.
May 8, 2022 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2084537mdd1ParticipantRegarding the avirah’s point (I am sorry I stopped following that part of the debate): NoMesorah, are you even an Orthodox Jew? Your views are way,way off.
May 8, 2022 8:43 pm at 8:43 pm in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2084536mdd1ParticipantNoMesorah, there is no debate whatsoever if Christianity is avodah zarah. The only debate is if this type of avodah zarah is prohibited to a ben-Noach. Yidden for generations would rather be killed than be mode in Christianity.
mdd1ParticipantUser176, what did you mean by that? Could you please elaborate?
May 8, 2022 4:49 am at 4:49 am in reply to: Should we try to encourage Mashichists and Elokists to return to the fold? #2084155mdd1ParticipantNOMESORAh– indeed!! If you do not think that Christianity is avodah zorah, then you have gone so far off that there is nothing to discuss with you anymore.
mdd1ParticipantUser176, you are so wrong. When it comes to be melamed zechus, one needs to melamed zechus, but when paskening Halochah, one is to pasken the truth!
mdd1ParticipantAvira, the psak of the Chazon Ish is a big shvere kulah — according to him. even if somebody grew up frum and does aveiros (any aveiros), he is to be treated as a tinok she’nishbah.
User 176, one is to pasken Halochah alibah de’emes. It has nothing to do with the time of the year! Koach de’heteirah adif? So, according to you, if one opinion says an action is chillul Shabbos, and another – that it is okay, we should pasken le’kukah? Chas ve’sholom. -
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