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Avirah, do you understand the difference berween “no portion in Olam Haba, burning forever” and straight ticket to Gan Eiden without any judgment for reshoim?!? These are two different things. It is a mitsva to hate reshoim (and not only apikorsim). Look in Pesochim113B. If a mumar dies it is a mitsva to make a simcha (Y.D.345; Badei Ha’Shulchan Hil. Aveilus and Kitzur Sh.A.). Yes,we’d rather they do teshuvah. However Dovid Ha’Melech said:”ve’ata Elokim torideim le’be’er shachas, anshei damim u’mirma lo yechetzu yemeyhem…”. Why did not he say “and you will bring them straight to Gan Eiden”?
Qwerty613, what you say now is very different from what you wrote originally. You made a general statement that a Rov has no right to tell anybody what to do. In fact, he has an obligation to do so, but sometimes it does not apply because, for example, of the type of people he is dealing with.
ARSo, do you that Rashi in Yeshaya says that part of the reward that the tzaddikim get is that they watch the reshoim getting punished in Gehenom?
ARSo, please do re-read my last post. Same apllies to Avira. And try to think about it.
Do you understand such a concept that if someone did something wrong that there is a ta’anah on that fellow?ARSo, you missed my point. Try to understand it on it’s own merits. Even if Rav Zonnenfeld really held like that, Rav Miller and many others disagreed. Ramo and many other Achronim hold that one should not say Kaddish for a mumar. Do you understand such a concept as justice, that in the words of the Zohar “it should not look like there is no din and there is no Dayan”?
Qwerty613, it is an absolute lie, a perversion of the Torah to say that a Rabbi has no right to tell his congregants what to do. Have you ever heard of mitsvas toychecha (rebuke)?
“Who would prefer to deny them this?”. Avira, seriously?!? Because one can think that it is not real justice (“nimtzeis Midas Ha’Din loykah”) that someone can be a big rasha for a long time and then happen to be killed because he’s Jewish, and that makes him get away with everything. I am sure this is what Rabbi Miller also thought. Or you would prefer stam that all reshoim go straight to Gan Eiden even without being killed because they are Jewish?
Qwerty, their death provides a degree of kaporah, not necessarily a direct ticket to Gan Eiden (according to Darkei Moshe, the Ramo).
Avirah, there was one Chassidishe Rebbe (not a contemporary one) who held that Zimri was right in what he did with Kozbi.RoshYeshivas…, what are you referring to?
And, also, it is sure a great answer to all the ta’anos: Chabad is a holy Chassidus. All the questions fall off!
Also, stop with this Amerikanish Chabad ta’ana of sinas chinom when someone questions some beliefs or actions of Chabad. Give straight answers.Sechel83, it is also the basic idea of Christianity. They just think it refers only to one Jew.
Also, Avira, it is one thing for a Rebbe to be melamed z’chus. It is a different thing to make it like his limud z’chus is now the hashkofas Ha’Torah, and not what Neviim and Chazal said.
Avira, did not the Nevi’im and Chazal know about this perspective of yours and did not do it?! The truth must be told — that’s why. Just because a later-day Admor comes and says pshatim which totally change the view of Chazal and Nevi’im, it is going to help?!?
Avira, agreed about the nevuah. About who is going to be redeemed — it says it many places in NaCh and the Gemora that it will be a time of jugdement, and one has to be enough of a tzadik to be redeemed. It is just the derech of classical Chassidism (and, by extension, of Chabad) to try to “annul” any judgement over Jews. Hence, “no Jew will be left behind”.
Nomesorah, I did not want to respond to your posts, but this is one is just…! There can be no bigger mumar than a min!!! Even if he observes the rest of Halochh very well.
Sechel83, for real? You expect me to give you on the spot pshatim in deep concepts from the Zohar? Most people should not be even looking at those statements. It can cause michsholim as we have seen.
Ysiegel, it is strange. Usually, if there is a disagreement between a Gemora and a Medrash, we follow the Gemora. What is his proof in short?
Sechel83, there is such a statement in the Zohar, but one has to understand it the right way, not the Christian way.
Ysiegel, when they say ” no Jew will be left behind…”, they mean literally so. They do not mean: anybody who survives the cataclysm will be saved.Menachem…, nobody went crazy? The Gra put the Chassidim into cheirem. Some of the things that you brought down are, basically, Christianity.
Seiche83, why is Christianity an avodah zorah?!? What do you care to explain? It is exactrly this concept that you mentioned that talmidei Yeshu and talmidei Shabtai Tzvi and some CHabadniks misunderstood!!
Yes, Menachem…, no chashash at all. And it happened to be that it did lead to the stumbling block of some Chabadniks making their leader into a part of G-d.
Sechel83, please tell me: what does Gemora in the second perek of Chagigah say about learning pnimius Ha’Torah? Who is supposed to be doing it? Every last dimwitted individual?
Menachem Shmei, to whom is it degrading — to Sechel83 or the ba’alebattim?
Neville, again — re-read my statement and try to understand it!! I meant finishing Shas through Daf yomi.
Sechel83, very many Litvishe ba’alei battim learnt all of Shas — by learning Daf ha’yomi. I hope you understand that it is not worth a lot. So, I wonder how well you learnt the part of Shas that you learnt. Especially, that you are not into lomdus.
Sechel83, the more of your statements I see, the more anti-Chabad I become.
Nomesorah, those are not one-liners. And the apikorsim and minim are not considered in the fold! If one of them mekadesh a bas Yisroel, then indeed the kiddushin is good, but in many other ways he is not in the fold. You are so ignorant about so many things.
Sechel83, from which volume of the Rebbbe’s writings does the source have to be? Because things which are known in the rest of Klal Yisroel are not known or authoritative to you.Nomesora — indeed none. Not even from the seforim. I have news for you. There are beliefs that place a Jew outside Judaism. Look in Hilchos Teshuvah by the Rambam, to start with.
Avirah…, Chazon Ish was a Misnaged. What changed from his times? Your statement that allegedly there are very few Misnagdim today proves nothing. Also, some Rabbis may be – they just do not loudly publicize it.
Avirah, you are very confused and unaware. What happened in Chabad is what the Gr’a and other Misnagdim were afraid was going to happen. Something is based on the Ari’s Kabbolah is fully-proofed against problems? Let me break it to you: Shabtai Tzvi teachings were based on Zohar. Learning Kabbolah is a very big thing, but also very dangerous.
The little you know (some people indeed know more), Korach was a machloikes she’lo le’shem Shamaim. Here it is different.
Avira…, what is your definition of a misnaged?
Avirah, in Skver they had a problem with Rav Nachman’s s Kabbolah writings (in my understanding). I doubt that bochur was learning them.
Avirah, it is said in the name of the Chofetz Chaim and the Brisker Rov that the original objections of the GR”A to Chassidism apply today to Lubavitch and Breslov. Even in Skewere they hid some of the Rav Nachman’s writings.
Ujm, some far-off das-yochid type of shittos that the S.A. and the Poskim do not follow. And, AGAIN — THEY DO NOT CARE FOR THE HALOCHIC HETER. IT is not like they suddenly ruled like those far-off opinions. They do it for the reason I stated.
Avirah, real apikorsim probably will not agree to put on tefillin.
Avirah, you do not need to know aleph-beis to put on teffilin. “Karkafta” which never wore teffilin is very,very serious. This ta’anah is already just picking on Chabad.
Always…, you are very ignorant of the whole history of the region, and your posts are therefore truly annoying. Buy for yourself a serious history textbook on the topic and read it in the bathroom (to avoid bittul Torah).
Avira…, delude yourself not. The Chassidim do not dwell in sukkos on Shmini Atzeres because the Besht said it is a bigger tikkun to dwell outside of the sukkah on that day. Irrespective of post-factum faulty pshatim.
And just to pre-empt: Belarus and Lithuania were parts of the Pale.
Menachem, real Litvaks have a problem with both.
Neville, GO AND LEARN THE SOURCES. OK? THEY SAY CLEARLY WHAT I TOLD YOU.
Anonymous…, those pogroms were incomparable to to the scale and savagery of the Tach-ve-Tat!! Note, by the way, they happened in Ukraine, but not so much in Belarus (White Russia).
The Pale? It was not fun, but it was nothing in comparison to the 1648-49!Neville, you clearly misunderstood the sources and missed a befeirushe Mishna Brurah that says it is a chiyuv.
Menachem…, the Ramoh says that ha’medakdekim be’mitsvos sleep in the sukkah. And, basically, all those heteirm are limudei zechus and not real, strong heteirim. The problem with the Chabad approach is that you go against opene Gemoros because of a personal feeling of the Mitteler Rebbe which was based on the Kabbalistic knowledge. Chazal also knew about the makifei Binah, you know.Anonymous…, heavy taxation and unfair courts were worse than 1648-49?!? Pogroms — in which disproportionate role played the descendants of the 1648-49 perpetrators? Forced Russian education never actually happened. And, again, it would have been worse than 1648-49?!? And forced education became common in the developed countries at that time.
Always…, learn the facts and stop with the anti-Russian propaganda. The territories taken from Poland by Russia in the 17-th and 18-th centuries were the territories of the early Russia occupied by Poland-Lithuania, and they still had their Russian population (the Ukrainian and White-Russian varieties). The only exception was Lithuania proper taken at the end of the 1700-s, but it was the Lituanians who started with occupation of the Russian lands in the 1300-s. Immediate losses among the Yidden were worse than the Tach-veTat?!? For sure not true. Later suffering under Russia? You mean the pogroms in which the Ukrainians had a disproportionate role?
Menachem…, I criticized the Mitteler Rebbe, not the Shulchan Aruch ha’Rav.
Neville, just look in Shulchan Aruch Orech Chaim 666 and 668 and in Mishnah Brurah there also. It is a good idea to learn the topic first.
Neville, about sukkah on Shmini Atzeres double-check your Halochic facts, ok? It is a chiyuv.
Avira, all those are post-factum (and faulty) defenses. The real reason is their understanding of Kabbola. They would do it even without those faulty explanations. The Shulchan Aruch says that one sits in the sukkah on Shmini Atzeres. Many Chassidim would not sit there on Shmini Atzeres even if the weather is fabulous.
The Rebbes are “Torosom umanosom”? Even the extreme Litvaks would not award that ptur to big masmidim in t!mes of the Achronim!Sechel83, the first thing one has to know when trying to learn Kabbolah (or even Aggadah) is that one has to be extremely careful and many things there may not be taken at their literal reading!