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Emunas, who are these hundreds of Gedolim?
Emunas, that is the shitah of Chabad and Mekubalim, and it is a chiddush. Look what I wrote to CS. Even a statement from Arizal about everybody learning Kabbola can not help against the chashash of the stumbling block. The Shabbtai Zvi and Ya’akov Frank sects and Chabad are primary examples of this concern being fullfilled.
CS, I do not know why you decided to address me with these questions.
As far learning Kabbolah goes, it is okay to do it only for a few select indivduals in Klal Yisroel. Mishna in Hagigah says: “we are not to give over sisrei Torah but only to a wise one who understadns on his own…”. There are other mekoros, and that is the mesorah of the Ashkenaz Jewry. One of the main reasons is the possibility of coming out with a terribly wrong pshat.
I personally have knowledge of Nistar on an introductory level.Menachem…, I did not mean every single mechaber. I meant generally speaking.
Avirah, you are talking about the times of Moshiach, I am talking about olam ha’ze.
Ujm, you do not realize the unbelievable chashivus ascribed by Chabad to the statements of Arizal.
Always, where does it say that in the last week’s parsha?!?
Follow…, taking Section 8 and food stamps by many is chilul H’ and hisgarus be’umos.Menachem…, I wrote what I did because it is accepted by Klal Yisroel – from the Litvishe to Sefardi Mekubalim that Rambam did not learn Kabbolah. Arizal said so (!!), Arizal (!!). I mean which bigger source would Chabad want?
Your sources to the contrary do not appear to be strong. And the Besht argued with the Arizal?!?!CS, Rambam never learnt Kabbola.
Avirah, reality check! By the frumer Litvishe everybody goes to kollel and some do by the Chassidim. It is not a tiny percentage by any means!
OP, Gemora in Eiruvin says that divrei Torah get preserved only in those who are as cruel to their children as a crow (by giving them substandard food).Always, we are not talking about your political preferences, we are talking about da’as Torah. Advising people to move from western Europe to Russia was impractical — you have to know the metzius of the situation.
And, be’chlal, who could have advised anyone to move to Russia in view of the fact that their army would go into Ukraine in 2022?Ujm (Josef’s younger brother), extreme chumros are not beautiful Yidddishe minhagim.
Ba’al ha’Tanya was greater than Rebbi Yochanan ben Zakai?!?!? Another thing which shows what is wrong with Chabad.
Always…, Chofets Chaim ended up beyond the Russian/Soviet borders after the Soviet-Polish war of 1920.Sechel83, “Hashem” must be spelled with a capital H!
Secondly, so, according to Kedushas Ha’Leivi Yirmiyahu ha’Navi was no good (c”v!!)?ARSo, if someone has heretical views, it is not okay to just let it go without challenging them.
Things, exaggerated propaganda.
Nomesorah, #$%@!&*^$%$$###%##!!!!! Okay?
Yabia Omer, DO NOT START UP! Sefardim being Sefardim: who cares if people do aveiros?
Nomesorah, guess what? Some Rishonim hold that conversion to Islam is not “yehareig ve’lo’yavor” as it is not an avodah zorah. Those who hold it is “yehareig…” is because they view conversion to Islam as a kefirah in a part of nevuas Moshe Rabbeinu. Christianity is an avodah zorah for a Jew.
Before writing your posts here, maybe go learn the sugyos.Nomesorah, CHAS VE”SHOLOM!! You are as wrong as wrong can be! Why were Yidden going to be killed instead of accepting Chirstianity?!?!?
ARSo, “Atzmus besoch ha’guf” is a Christian-type heresy.
CS, about the determining who is a tzadik according to the Tanya by talking to him etc.: I am really sorry, but your answer really does not hold water — you can’t tell if a person killed his yetzer ha’ra by talking to him. A person can be on the level to control his yetzer ha’ra and say and do the right things, but it does not mean that he killed it. According to the Tanya’s definition of a tzadik, no one can really tell who he is.
How does one know that a person is a tzadik in the Tanya’s definition? In Shamaim they know, but people?
Menachem…, why do you think Chabad has so many misnagdim, way more than other Chassidic groups?
CS, just because someone accepts responsibility to help every Jew it makes him a Nasi Ha’Dor? This is ridiculous. And then there are many Nsiei Ha’Dor according to your definition. Rav Shach included.
Yankel Berel, but that is the problem — that one may learn the wrong pshat. Also, not many people learn really deep Kabbola.
Menachem…, a big reason why Chazal opposed learning Kabbola by everybody is because of a big hashash michshol! Understand? The Arizal’s heter helps only for the reason that it is kovod Shamaim to keep it hidden. It does not help for the hashash michshoilim!
CS, the Yidden believed that Moshe Rabbeinu was a real messenger of Ha”SHEm, a real novi.
Nomesorah, stop with your shtussim. The problem with the Christians was not that they stopped observing Halochah. The main problem was that they believe(d) that Yoshke is a part of G-d. That’s why it is considered an Avodah Zorah. That is why Yidden throughout the ages would rather die than accept their faith. These are basic, well-known facts of the Jewish law and Jewish history.
So, all the Chabaniks here, what is the problem with Christianity? Why did the GR”A put Chassidim into cheirem?
After reading your statements I came to realize that Chabad is a much bigger mess than I had thought.Ujm, Noam Elimelech was. As far as the other mekoros go, were you asleep all this time? I did write that there are statements, especially in sifrei Kabbola, which can be misunderstood that way. And that’s why most people should not be learning Kabbola.
Menachem…, you mentioned a whole number of Chassidishe Rebbes in your list. Well, the GR”A was afraid that the Chassidim would make their Rebbes into avoda zorah.
Menachem…, the problem is that a fair number of Lubavitchers understood it the wrong way. And it is a mess. The Gra, you know, was afraid of the Chassidim making their Rebbe into an avodah zorah. It is a tremenous michshol — not somethig to view with complacency!
Nomesorah, again, to say that “a human is G-d” is total minus. That is the mesorah(!!) of the whole of Klal Yisroel! Stop justifying minus!! One MAY NOT just read statements from Kabbolah seforim literally and claim that this is what the Kabbolah says.
Avirah, all of this “more temptation” stuff does not change the Halochah! Your Amerishkaiyt is so much in your bones that it is impossible to talk to you.
Seihel83 and NOmesora (indeed!), because it is a mesorah in Klal Yisroel since the time of Chazal that it is minus to hold like that. Yidden went to be burned on a stake just not to be mode to this minus. Nomesorah, it is this why that fellows like you should be kept away from sifrei Kabbolah at a distance of “metachavei keshes”! Same apllies to majority of people (Sechel83 included).
Nomesorah, enough of your trying to justify anything and everything! To say that some human is G-d clothed in human form is pure apikorsus, Christianity! All of this is based on misunderstanding statements in sifrei Kabbolah. Started with Yoshke and his talmidim. Enough is enough!
Ujm, your stories/claims about Chofetz Chaim do not sound right.
One last attempt. Buddy, you misunderstood the Chazon Ish. He was not talking only about people who were brought up frei. According to him, even if somebody is brought up frum and then goes and does an avirah or aveiros, you can’t treat him as a roshah since nobody knows how to rebuke him. So, nowdays there is no din roshah or mechalel Shabbos be’parhesia etc. That’s why I said it is a shevere da’as yochid. “I heard something from…” was only one thing! What about all the mekoros — from the Gemoros to Badei Ha’SHulchan — that I brought down?!? And from Rav R.Feinstein — I heard it myself.
Qwerty613, I just wrote that the statement you quoted is very wrong. I stand by what I wrote.
Avirah, I am stopping to argue with you on this topic. I’ve written plenty enough for, at least, to get you to think. You refuse to mekabel no matter what I write. Just as I have stopped arguing with you about what the Gedolim (besides the Satmar Rebbe) held about Zionism where you claimed that they agreed with the Satmar Rebbe. Denial is not a place in Egypt!Sechel83, the name of G-d must be spelled with a capital H!
Avirah, how predictable! Chazon Ish is a shvere da’as yochid that almost all other Acronim argue with. ChofetzChaim did not hold like that (learnt his seifer?). That famous (especially by the Amerikanishe oilam) Gemora with Rabi Meir. Look in the Tosfos there! And how about a befeirushe Gemora in Sota that Ya’akov Avinu after his petirah smiled in celebration that Eisov was killed etc. Regarding mumar, shiva?!? I heard from a Rov that Rav Eliyashev told someone to do just that — to celebrate! I heard Rav R.Feinstein say that me’ikar ha’din there is no chiyuv shiva, just because of eivah. And, besides, what kind of an answer is this:” Rabbonim nowdays…”? It is an eternal question. Are you Reform or Conservative that by you it changes with the times?
Avirah, that answer to Ramo is poshut.
Avirah, do you understand the difference berween “no portion in Olam Haba, burning forever” and straight ticket to Gan Eiden without any judgment for reshoim?!? These are two different things. It is a mitsva to hate reshoim (and not only apikorsim). Look in Pesochim113B. If a mumar dies it is a mitsva to make a simcha (Y.D.345; Badei Ha’Shulchan Hil. Aveilus and Kitzur Sh.A.). Yes,we’d rather they do teshuvah. However Dovid Ha’Melech said:”ve’ata Elokim torideim le’be’er shachas, anshei damim u’mirma lo yechetzu yemeyhem…”. Why did not he say “and you will bring them straight to Gan Eiden”?
Qwerty613, what you say now is very different from what you wrote originally. You made a general statement that a Rov has no right to tell anybody what to do. In fact, he has an obligation to do so, but sometimes it does not apply because, for example, of the type of people he is dealing with.
ARSo, do you that Rashi in Yeshaya says that part of the reward that the tzaddikim get is that they watch the reshoim getting punished in Gehenom?
ARSo, please do re-read my last post. Same apllies to Avira. And try to think about it.
Do you understand such a concept that if someone did something wrong that there is a ta’anah on that fellow?ARSo, you missed my point. Try to understand it on it’s own merits. Even if Rav Zonnenfeld really held like that, Rav Miller and many others disagreed. Ramo and many other Achronim hold that one should not say Kaddish for a mumar. Do you understand such a concept as justice, that in the words of the Zohar “it should not look like there is no din and there is no Dayan”?
Qwerty613, it is an absolute lie, a perversion of the Torah to say that a Rabbi has no right to tell his congregants what to do. Have you ever heard of mitsvas toychecha (rebuke)?
“Who would prefer to deny them this?”. Avira, seriously?!? Because one can think that it is not real justice (“nimtzeis Midas Ha’Din loykah”) that someone can be a big rasha for a long time and then happen to be killed because he’s Jewish, and that makes him get away with everything. I am sure this is what Rabbi Miller also thought. Or you would prefer stam that all reshoim go straight to Gan Eiden even without being killed because they are Jewish?