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Then, I would agree. But it is impossible le’ma’ase as the whole system there functions only because the Israeli government pays for it (a minor detail, indeed!!).
Softwords, if the D’L and the chilonim are paying for it, they certainly may have a say. To say otherwise is outrageous and chillul HaShem.
Softwords, in the midbar they had the mon coming down! It was different ever since! And we are not talking about a hanhogah. Rambam and Shulchan Aruch is Halochah.
Softwords, why did almost all frum Jews in Europe work? Why nobody was bringing up that Rambam? Why did the Shulchan Aruch (Orach Chaim, 156) paskened that (at least min ha’stam) a Jew must work?
All the violence during the protests after November 30 was started by the neo-Nazis. It was the government forces who shot at the attacking protesters who were the first to use firearms. The US government would have done the same.
Charliehall,+1.
Fensterz, Russia did not stab anybody in the back. you have to be well familiar with the events there to have an opinion.
Akuperma, even though you usually know pretty well what’s going on in the world(though I totally disagree with your shittos about Israel), this time you are off. It is not only the history of Ukrainian nationalism, it is the fact that there are neo-Nazis in the new government there now.
DY, they did have strawberries in Europe 100 years ago. Not bananas though.
Da’as Yochid, what’s the heter to walk in front of a person who davens?
Kfb, tzedokah ve’chesed? To keep people who are unwilling to work on the welfare payroll forever is not good, but sometimes people fall on hard times.
GAW, I am not going to argue with you here. Ask an established, respected Rov that you trust about it. (For a quick shortcut — there is a teshuvah in “Igros Moshe” about it).
GAW, you are wrong (again). It is assur for a woman to have inappropriate thoughts about a man to whom she is an ervah, kol she’ken acting out chas ve’sholom. Feeling attracted is also a problem — see Rashi in the last perek of Kiddushin about the issur of sheilas sholom.
Redleg, certain things might not be explicitly proscribed, but are nevertheless not good.
WM, I think he was referring to the mass execution of the witches of Ashkelon.
Even if R’ Chaim said such a thing, it would be meant against people who yell in public at and strike Gedolim — as a horoas sha’ah.
GAW, 1) Rav Chaim wrote that?!?
2) As far as you go, what would Yoshke hold?
Shanifirst, those who have this type of approach definitely have either GA’AVAH or HASHKOFAH PROBLEMS or both.
OURTorah, you don’t want them.
GAW, source? Look in Avodah Zorah 16B-17A, where Rabi Eliezer was punished for agreeing with Yoshke’s dvar Torah!
GAW, what about the rest 5%, according to you?!? In reality, it is much more. How do you know that what you are quoting is right be’etzem?!? And that’s besides giving credence to a founder of a wayward movement? Again, I can’t believe we are having this discussion! Even if you did what you did here at YU of Frish, you’d get banned!!
And I am not talking about using figures of speech (even though that also is wrong). You learn the etzem hashkofah from him. You need a source for that?!?
How do you know anything about what is going on in Shamaim? Because Chazal told us.
By you, Yoshko told you. I think you belong in cherem. Outrageous!
Because, GAW, this is what Yoshke held. You may not learn from him! Just because you heard it many times at work(!), it does not make it acceptable. We learn from CHAZAL!
Because we are talking about hanhogos Shamaim, and you bring Yoshka’s view as a sourse! Have you converted To Christianity? Have you become a priest r”l? Do you believe in J-s? I can’t believe we are having these discussion!!
Fkelly, like this. When Ribono shel Olam judges a person, He takes into accout all the circumstances. As far as we go, if a person knows what he is doing, Halochah treats him as a roshah.
And no, health does not come before religion in the cases under the discussion.
GAW,this is outrageous!! “Chochmah be”Goyim ta’amin” means math and physics. To bring a proof from Yoshke in a Hashkofic discussion is absolutely ASSUR!!! If you don’t retract, you should not be spoken to.
Rebdoniel, generally speaking, +1. However, not for all intents and purposes.
GAW, What?!?! 1. You think it is ok to bring new testament as a proof in a Haskofic/Halochoc discussion? 2. You obviously have not fully learnt those. 3.?
Plus, according to you, GAW, nobody should ever be treated as a roshah(you never know what he was through… bla,bla, bla) — which is obviously not true.
Fkelly, what you wrote is not really an excuse. Try to understand this.
GAW, #1, please, don’t quote the new testament on me. #2, There are Halochic gedorim for who is a roshah. Look in the sefer “CHofets CHaim”. #3, I did not understand the part about making impression.
Dolphina, I am a tremendous kanoi against rape r”l. If I were alive in the times of the episode of piligesh be”Givah, I would be fighting on the frontlines to punish the reshoim. I do not even understand 100% why the punishment for the rape of a single woman is what it is — I just accept what the Torah says. You and your friends must, however, understand the severity of hillul Shabbos.
Fkelly and 000646, have you ever heard of “…for My thoughts are not your thoughts, and your ways are not My ways, the word of HaShem.”(Isaiah)?
Syag LeChochmah, I am sorry, Ma-am. I did not understand your post.
GAW, you are wrong. It is clear from the Gemorah and Meforshim Rishonim and Achronim that the type of punishment indicates what’s worse. That’s why someone who does chayavei krisos or misos beis din needs suffering to atone for his sin while someone who violates a simple (so to speak) issur does not. That’s why a positive commandment does not push aside an issur kores and so on and so forth. Ok, some bein adam le’chaveiros might not have an issur kores on them but one can be very punished for them. That’s true.
Secondly, GAW, if a frei Yid knows that the Torah is true (even without internalizing it) and does not keep it, he is a rosha.
Interjection, it is openly stated in the Rabmam’s Hilchos Teshuvah. Do you belive in what it says there?
Sam2, indeed, it was not in the Las Vegas, USA-style. That does not make it wrong. It is just that, at least, in this country in this generation, the olam is not holding by it.
GAW, I am sorry I had not seen you previous post. Now that I have, I can respond.
A lot of those tznius inyonim are middas chassidus. Even such a machmir as Rabbi Falk would agree that they get pushed aside to maintain sholom bais. Except for the things which are Halochically required, but there are very few of them.
(Covering the hair in the courtyard would be a requirement.)
Ben Levi, the shailah is how the Torah views it!
Torah613, very nice, but… wrong. Gemorah and Rabmam say it is a mitzvah to hate a roshah until he repents.
Fkelly, those are your guidelines. The Torah ones are different.
Squeak is 100% right about the similarity of the Christian and early Chasidish views on reshoim.
GAW, actually, it is not. There are very clear sources to what I am saying.
Fkelly, just decided that Yiddishkeit is not for him? A trifle according to you?
Yytz, you have Chasidishe zachen. I have the Torah sources. You are to proof that you have what to rely on.
000646, some respect!?!
There is a Chazal where R’ Meir says:” why should I accumulate money for my children? If they are righteous, HaShem will provide. If not, why should I accumulate money for enemies of HaShem?”.
PBA, whatever.
GAW??
Tora613, my wife, b”H, dresses tzniusdic.
Torah(??)613, what do you suggest? Just put with it?
Yytz, there are certainly clear sources that show that you are wrong. Same to you, Torah613. Just read Tehillim paying attention to the psukim. They say openly that HaShem hates reshoim.
Btw, “Tomer Devora”‘s opinion is not poshut at all. Most Gedolim don’t hold like him. Look in Pesochim 113B and the relevant Rambam.
And Torah613,”morah Shamaim” means fear of Heaven and not avoiding evil.
Squeak, you are right — it states the opposite.
PBA, HaShem does not — read some Tehillim while paying attention.
Typical akuperma shtusim. Remember them when you see his opinion-pieces on Israel.
Just btw, I think Assaf is a troll. Proof? I don’t think the IDF pays for people’s university degrees. It is a US thing where there is no draft and they offer perks to enlist. The IDF would have been bankrupt by now if they paid for every guy. Our “Assaf” seems not know the Israeli realities.
Writesoul, the story the way it was brought down totally conforms with the Torah. Just look in “Zos ha’berochah”. How did Levi’im merit what they did? There are halochos in Sh. Ar. which go with this hashkofah. Just accept what the Torah says.
Basically, commonart, +1!
The-art-of-moi, how do you spell “Yiras Shamaim”? That magazine was right. It just that the tact and decency were lost by the US Goyim.
About those Jewish ladies. They acted against Halochah . Do you know what that means?
Your last statement is outrageous!
Akuperma, it is mashma they knew all 70.
PBA, al pi Torah parents that is. This time, PBA, wrong to the left.