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One of the reasons that the maskilim had less success by the Chassidim was because the latter were more forceful in their macho’os, while the Litvaks were more timid. I am a Litvak, by the way.

So right, it depends on whom, we are talking about. I am talking about the resent pirtsa in Flatbush — where till recently you would almost never see an improperly dressed Jewish girl. If people give them funny looks, if some ladies rebuke them verbally, it very well may work.

Yitayningwut, there are many kiruv resources available to answer your questions. But it is not for an al regel ahas answer on this site. Korov hefseido yoser mi’s’haro!

Is it likely she will? –No.

But it is logical that God Almighty can do that.

A tinok she’nishba is obligated to bring a chattas, when he becomes frum. From here we see, that it was possibale for him to come to the Emunah on his own, if he thought the right way. And he is a little bit faulted for not doing that (hence, the korban). But he is still a shogeg korov le’ones.

A child is considered an autonomous extension of his parents till his bar mitsva or her bas mitsva age, and can be punished for the parents aveiros (Parshas Ki Teitze, Pashi on the posuk “Lo yumsu avos…”).

If a person learnt the halochos well enough, and he is, generally speaking, smart enough, he should be able to know what to do. There are Rabbonim, who have shitos in this area, that it does not look like the Chofets Haim would agree to.

SJSinNYC, I am sorry, but you are wrong. we are not talking about modern Ivrit usage, or what someone claims the Ivrit usage is. We are talking about what is meant when frum people use it (this is how it is also used by the Poskim). When frum people call a woman in a short skirt “a prutsa”, they do not mean “a zonah”. It is true, however, that sometimes one is talking about a zonah, but feels it is more eidel to say “prutsa”. But again, nobody means it like that in regard to frum women who are not dressed properly.

SJSinNYC, you are talking about a zonah or a k’deishah. Has ve’sholom, these Jewish women are not that. A prutsa is someone who does not dress or act modestly (according to the standards of the Chazal). But part of the reason why it is ossur to act pritsusdic is because we are worried it should not come , has ve’sholom, to worse things.

SJSinNYC, if something is not kosher, it is treif.

Oomis 1105, if a woman’s dress does not conform to the minimum requirements of Halacha — it is pritsus. It is ossur for a woman to be seen dressed that way. If she is married, her husband can divorce her for that. Actually, it a mitsva for him to do so, if she refuses to behave herself.

Missme, we should be moche more. If they fill the pressure from within the frum community, we may turn the situation around.

No Rabbi made me frum. Why don’t you and many others look in Parshas Kedoshim, at the mitsva “ve’ahavta le’reyacha kamocha”?

Kasha, Kimchis had a good chumra, but i t i s n o t a hiyuv for every Bas Yisroel.

I said that this is what some people think. And for many of them, it is not even a positive thing — they think the BTs are too nervous.

BP Totty, that’s why the frum Jews are called “hareidim” — because they shake due to their fear of Heaven. It is a madreiga to reach. Just some BT have to work on managing their fear of HaShem-related nervousness.

There are heteirim for the ben niddah shaila. The whole reason for not marrying bnei nidah is because a r e a l ben nidah has a blemish on his neshoma(soul), which is manifested by bad character traits, especially, brazeness. Well, it is known that there are a lot of BT who have sterling middos(character traits). And, generaly speaking, we don’t see that BTs have worse middos then FFBs. And there is a reason for it. I am not going to elaborate here.

Eich yaradnu p’laim? — I wonder. Till 3 years ago (approx.), it was almost unheard of, that frum women in the streets of Flatbush would be dressed in untsniusdic skirts. What happened??

aries2756, there are different ways to encorage people to do mitsvos, but it is emes that for a woman to be seen untsniusdic is a lo ta’ase(lifnei iver). It might be that with some women it is not the point you want to advance, but it is the emes.

Kasha. A) The Rambam does not say that the government has to support it. On the contrary, he is the big mahmir in this field. B) Just ask anyone — most Chareidi men are in full-time kollel.

Kasha, as who works and pays taxes in E.Y. goes, just do some research.

The Chareidim are entitled to the funding? According to what? — according to the laws of the evil Zionists.

Kasha, it is an undeniable fact that all those E.Y. kollel people would not be able to stay in kollel, if not for the government money.

Did you ever wonder why in Europe 150 years ago so few people were in kollel in contrast to modern-day Israel? Because the Russian Czar and the Austrian Kaiser would not pay for it. The Israeli government does.

Not everbody holds that a lady has to wear stockings. For sure, wearing see-through stokings does not accomplish anything. See-through covering is not considered a proper covering halachicaly, and it does not look more tsniusdik either. It is just a silly chumra — to wear this type of stockings.

SJSinNYC, the Ramoh is in Even HaEzer Siman 1, Seef 13. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch paskens like that le’Halacha in 145:5.

Another ma’amar Chazal for you to explore: “Ein l’ha isha ksheira ele mi she osa r’tson ba’ala”. Obviously, there are also limitations to this ma’amar.

Some people were trying to dig up here lenient shitos (opinions). We do not pasken like those shitos. If we start looking for shvere (fraught with difficulty)opinions in any area of Halacha, one can matir (permit) wild things. And some of those wild things are surely not going to be liked by the modern-inclined people who try to dig up shvere kulos in the field of tsnius. T h e a n s w e r to all the l e n i e n t o p i n i o n s is that w e d o n’ t p a s k e n l i k e t h a t.

As far as the claim that men see non-Jewish women in very untsniusdic clothing — the immodestly dressed Jewish women still can cause temptation/provocation:

1) if at that moment the non-tsnius. lady which happens to be in front of the man is non-tsnius. bas Isroel — she will cause the problems, and not the non-Jew 8 feet away (especially, if the man is in a place where the only women are frum ones — like a frum house);

2) he can happen to notice the non-tsnius. Jewish woman out of the crowd (especially, because the frum women wear fancy sheitels, nice clothing; some wear a lot of make-up);

3)he might see an non-tsnius. non-Jew, and it can cause problems, and then 3 seconds later, he might see a non-tsnius. Yiddishe, and it will make it worse.