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So right, Helpful, Myfriend , drei nit kein kopp! The Rebbes of old would take songs from non-Jewish shepherds and say that it has a holy mekor. It very well might have happened that the minhag came from the non-Jews, but the Rebbes sanctioned it as holy. I am not saying they were wrong (I do not know enough about these things). I am sure, though, it is all shoking to you.
And Israeli Chareidim have a lot of Chumros.
Following halacha is a vague term. There are Rabbonim who are known to be machmir and those known to be meikal and those in the middle. Rabbi Amsalem contends that what is happening is that potential Geirim in the IDF are expected to abide by every Chareidi chumra, otherwise they are rejected. And this is not what the Halocha says.
Helpful, pull the Bnei Torah out of the Beis Medrashb by their hair? Stop your slander!! His shitos on the topic are in line with those of the Satmar Rebbe ztz”l and Rav Avigdor Miller ztz”l!
Beis Yosef also held something like that(Orach Chaim 156:1). Stop your right-wing lies!
About the geirus, Popa, I am not sure what exactly he holds, but there are kulos, if the husband’s teshuva hinges on his wife’s conversion. Plus, I am sure, the E.Y. Rabbonim are very machmir on the potential geirim. And I wonder, if it has to be that way.
Myfriend, I do not go with his Talmud Torah shitos, but his opinion is in line with what the Satmar Rebbe and Rav Avigdor Miller held. I am yet to see evidence that he was mevaze Rav Yosef.
So, please, stop your outrageous Yeshivishe lies and ziyuf haTorah.
Helpful, what in the world do you mean?
A real Talmid Chochom remains a real Talmid Chochom, even if he had to get a job. Chayey Adom, Beis Efraim and others remained Rabbis, eveh after they had gotten jobs.
It is a different story, that most heintike s’michos do not mean much.
So right, I do not have the “Kovetz” nearby to double-check. Plus, what do you mean to say by the story, you posted? Additionally, please, explain coherently why a frei Zionist is worse than a stam frei Yid(who denies HaShem, the Torah, mechalel Shabbos etc.).
So right,as far as I remember, it says “yevsekim” inside, not Zionists. It also makes sense. The “yevsekim” were actively and agressively out to destroy Yiddishkeit. It was an important part of their ideology. The goal of Zionism is to recreate a Jewish state, where Jews could be free from persecution. You have been so indoctinated against it, that you are not even capable of rationaly considering the issue.
And, yes, yes, I know, Rav Chaim and the Rov held that the chief reason of the founders of Zionism was to destroy Yiddishkeit. But other Gedolim did not hold like that, and it is simlply not true to metsios. And do not get hysterical — I believe that Rav Chaim and the Rov could make a mistake. Plus, you think you could say about Rav Soloveitchik and Rav Kook that they were wrong, even though they were baki be’Shas, so I could say what I said.
So right, you are wrong. Rav Elchonon quotes his Rebbe’s statement about the members of the “Evsektsia” (the Jewish section of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union — not Zionistic in any way);
Look yourself in the R’ Boruch Ber’s t’shuva at the end of the “Birkas Shmuel”. I saw in one ultra-Yeshivishe book (written by someone of your and myfriend’s ilk) that R’ Boruch Ber was upset about R’ Elchonon’s heter in the inyan.
Also, stop hocking about Zionism. The Chofets Chaim said that it’s like Parah Aduma — metame es hatehorim vemetaher es hatmeiim. For many frei Yidden that’s their only connection to anything Jewish. And why is a frei Zionist from Tel Aviv much worse than a stam frei Yid from chuts la’Arets?
I am not a champion of encouraging secular studies. I was just responding to your, myfriend, trying to push the Chasom Sofer’s shita. That shita is also kind of a horoas shaah — I wonder if the CH.Sofer ever would have said such an extreme thing if not for the onslaught of the haskola that he was trying to resist. Others did not hold like that.
The Birkas Shmuel’s p’shat in the Ramo — that secular studies are osur even for parnosa — is a shvere das yehid, opposed by most Gedolim.
Myfriend, Chasam Sofer said his opinion in a certain place, during a certain period. Applying it under different circumstances may backfire. Rav Hirsh ztz”l used a different approach in Germany, and saved tens of thousands of Yidden from going off the derech. Had the Chasam Sofer’s opinion been used there, almost all of them would have ended up off the derech. Guaranteed.
Myfriend, that’s you again.
1) Nobody says that people should learn secular subjects to be civilized. The Jews need them to be able to have normal parnosa, and not to have to be mechallel Shem Shamaim like in E.Yisroel.
2) If uncivilized and primitive is so good, why then Moshe Rabbeynu tried to change that by teaching them about having two meals a day?
3)This whole “let’s be backward” approach was tried in Europe. It did not succeed.
So right, what if a person does not have rich in-laws, rich parents or a wife with a fancy job? What about people who in their early thirties run into a financial crisis and have no skills to get a decent-paying job?
Helpful, it would — but not shayach before bias haGoel.
Pranks which hurt others’ feelings or cause physical pain are all osur. Needless to say, those which cause Chilul HaShem also are osur!
3 hours for work is enough? If he is able to make a living during that time — great! So right, have you ever heard of the chiyuv to support one’s wife ” be’aliyaso shel ba’al ve’lo be’yeridaso shle ba’al”? Go, find out what it means.
And there could be different types of inquities brought about by this type of conduct. For example, Chilul HaShem(like in Erets Yisroel)!
So right, WE DO NOT PASKEN LIKE THE SIMPLE READING OF THAT RAMBAM. YOU”VE BEEN BRAINWASHED!
Look in Shulchan Aruch Or. Chaim 156:”…because all Torah that is not accompanied by melocha is going to be terminated and bring about an inquity…”. The Chofets Chaim in Biur Halocha says the Sh. Ar. is talking about the general public, but there coulb be some yehidim to whom it does not apply.
Do not pasken from the Rambam without seeng the sugyos and the Achronim.
Kollel peopele deserve sufficient support to leave normally.
Frumladygit, the words of “The Orchos Tsadikim” (in this case) are a midas chasidus, not a required conduct.
About the communists, they wanted everybody to be equal. According to them, Rivka should not have an expensive coat, if Sara and Leah can not afford one.
Frumladygit, Yiddishkeit is not Communism. “How can your wife wear a fur coat, when…?” — we are not in Soviet Russia.
Feif Un, the definition of mesirus hefesh depends on the place and time.In poor Eastern Europe, the majority of the population did not live much better than the level you described. If somebody grew up with the US standard of living and forgoes it partially for the sake of Torah,while others do not, it is mesirus nefesh.
But it lav davka contains less words. And that’s what matters.
Some BTs are clearly nice, eidel people. Those who deal with them can see that. And it is clear they were born that way — and it’s not that they just supress their evil natures.
I would even say that the proportion of “nice” to “not-nice” among the BTs is, at least, as good as among the FFBs. And it is even, probably, better — because frei Yidden who have bad middos are not likely to become frum.
There are heterim for the ben nidah shaila — a way to say a BT is not a ben nidah. A big sign– midos. A true ben nidah has a strong proclivity to bad middos(especially, brazenness(azus)). Many BTs have very good middos. THERE MUST BE A GOOD REASON FOR THAT.
I agree with Sac(I am sorry, I do not like you screen name)– pushing tsnius chumros and making not-tsnius related shailos into tsnius-related ones is a big problem!
But I also agree with Frumladygit that some married ladies are too dressed up and make-uped(there is more room to be lenient with girls in shidduchim).
I would like to protest the flagrant bizayon HaTorah by RSHR.
Real-brisker, the reasons, the standards are lower, are:
1) In poor Eastern Europe only the most capable and dedicated went to learn in Yeshivos Gedolos, today — everybody does. There is, of course, a very positive side to this;
2) Some gifted bochurim have been fardreit by the wrong derech ha’limud.
Not I, your slow-learning shitos are against the da’as of all Gedolei Torah.
One of the Rishonim there says that it has to be moved to a different room to stop being a problem.
YW Mod, I think the gemora includes the bitten nails. Double-check,please.
Rebbitzen and popa-bar-abba, it is a befeyrushe gemora in Moed Koton 18A: somebody who just throws the nails down is a rasha( for thwe reason mentioned by Helpful).
Lomed mkAdom and Oomis, I totally agree. Helpful, I do hear.
Mikehall12382, I agree with you, however, about the lack of proper Ahava for Ba’alei T’shuva and Geirim, displayed by some. Part of it is as follows: many of the Frum from Birth Yidden have spent their lives in the insular Yiddishe communities in the comfortable golus of America. HaKadosh Boruch Hu tells us to love Geirim “because you know the soul of a stranger because you were strangers in the land of Egypt.” Many of these FFBs do not know the taste of real golus — they do not “know the soul of a stranger”. Plus, their insular existence leads them to view the not-Frum as not real bnei Avraham,Yitshak and Ya’akov. Plus, some fellows are plain ba’alei ga’ava and lack Ahavas Yisroel even when it comes to Frum from Birth people.
Who ever told Aires,SJSinNYC, the OP and others that it is wrong to judge people ACCORDING TO THE TORAH? There are actually halochos of how to properly judge others ACCORDING TO THE TORAH. They are brought down in the sefer “Chofets Chaim”. If somebody judges others wrongly, it is a ta’ana. We go by what the Torah says, not by what Aries feels, or the OP and SJS think(because they do not know enough).
For the WIY and Myfriend, the Gemora says that a shidduchable-age girl should mekashet herself so that the boys will want to marry her. SJSinNYC is right this time. Look in Ta’anis 13B and the relevant Shulchan Aruch, and the sugya of mitsvos ha’av al ha’ben at the end of perek kama of Kidushin
Charliehall, what you need to realize is that even though some of the conservative ideas are posul according to the Torah, the liberal views are even more problematic( the number of posul ones and their severity).
Charlihall, I’m sorry again. I do not know if the MB is shorter. It’s true it’s only on Orach Chaim, but the Chofets Chaim wrote a lot in the MB. Plus, add to it the Biur Halocha.
What i meant was that those who do not understand Hebrew well and care about dikduk Halacha are a minority among the medakdekim and would not be able to tilt the balance in favor of the MB over the Aruch Hashulchan. That’s all.
And about Ya’akov Avinu kissing Rochel Imeinu, look in Medrash Rabba, Parshas Va’eyetze. And remember, IT WAS BEFORE THE MATAN TORAH. Ya’akov Avinu also married two sisters — a chiyuv kares after the Matan Torah.
Getting back to Ta’anis. The only possible problem with that Gemora is the girls dancing. But it is possible to learn a pshat there that they were just walking around in circles. Otherwise, how is that Gemora different from modern times shidduch dates?
Charliehall, I’m sorry, but it is preposterous — those who need an English translation of the MB do not medakdek in Halocha in the first place.
Psach libi, the Shulchan Aruch HaRav reflects the halachic opinions of Rav Shlomo Zalman of Lyady.
“Pele Yoetz” talks about the issue.
Separate seating by weddings is very good. Kol makom she’ata motzi geder erva, ata motzi kedusha. Especially, when women are dressed to kill and look like supermodels.
Who said they have to be dressy?
Popa-bar-abba, the beginning of the thread talks about women who do not want to dress up, but some other ladies have ta’anos on them!
Good.jew(I hope so), there is a Yerushalmi which says that a certain chasida used to put on dirty closing to go outside to avoid attracting the attention of the men, but used to dress nicely inside the house so that her husband should be attracted to her and not to other women.
Popa, it does not require a sheitel to be dressed nicely for themselves.