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Canine, who taught you this falsification of the Torah that divorce is the worst thing ever? That it’s better to stay with abusive husbands?
Canine(myfriend), drey nit ken kup.
Observanteen,I do not hate the Chassidim, but I do have ta’anos. And I am not such a dunner le’kaf zechus when it comes to the MO and OTDs. There are Halochos about this.
Smartcookie, I guess, I’ve heard and seen too much of it — not only of ga’ava, but also of very dire lack of Ahavas Yisroel. I, obviously, do not mean you or other Chassidim who are not like that. Also, I am a Ba’al Teshuva — I became frum after being exposed to Yiddishkeit.
If all people in your community looked at it that way, I would not have a problem with them.
About the importance of Ahavas Isroel and Anova.
Ofcourse and Smartcookie, I agree fully.
Smartcookie, You are right — I do resent the Chassidim. If the Moderator lets me, I”ll even tell you why.
not quite
I quoted a Gemora in Ta’anis, for crying out loud!
Smartcookie, on TU be’Av, in times of Chazal, boys would meet hundreds of girls. Chazal did not have a problem with that. The Chassidim do.
Shlishi,infatuation is good. It makes people overlook stupid hakpodos. The more infatuation, the less “shidduch crisis”. I am serious.
Charlie, I agree.
Aries, certain info you have to give to prevent people from falling into a wrong marriage. It is a commonly-done avla to hide things, which should have been revealed. This is what the Chofets Chaim paskened.
Double standard, unless you are pulling our leg, don’t you understand that by eating at this meal you give recognition to what it stands for?
“What’s wrong with eating some avoda zora korban meat that my Cana’ani neighbour brought? Besides, it’s free.” — Get my point?
I would be really shocked, if it were mutar. Ask your Rov.
I totaly hear Rav Miller. I would say, if both sides had good midos, there would be great sholom bais.
Health, what does the difficulty in remarrying have to do with divorce in itself being bad?
It is not as bad as some make it out to be. There are Torah guidelines as to when it is proper and when not.
For the zivug sheini, it says: you don’t like her – divorce her.
The Mizbeach cries only for ishto rishona.
Torah provides for a divorce. It is better if it does not happen, but it is not such a tragedy as some make it out to be.
There are specific predictions about the Milchemes Gog u’Magog. You can not try to stick everything and anything under this
title.
I meant trying to keep everyone in Kollel on the government money despite the deep and loud resentment of the majority of the country.
I also hold that what is going on in E. Yisroel is a CHillul HaShem.
Madam in E. Yisroel, Creating an impression that frum people take advantage of others and live off others is worse than being rude.
And, yes, I believe, I am qualified to pasken on this shaila.
M in Israel, if the Goyim have ta’anos, and the ta’anos are reasonable and fair ta’anos — it is a Chillul HaShem. That is the geder for this aveira.
It is not true that the main yinyan of Chillul HaShem is in front of Jews.
What I am talking about is telling people to go on the programs, swelling the number of Frum on the rolls, and risking Chillul HaShem. The fact that there are Rabbonim who hold it’s not a problem is not a raya — their heteirim are shvere.
SJSinNYC, Chachazokas ha’Torah is providing financial support for Talmud Torah. In an Issochar/Zevulun arrangement (which is a type of chachazokas ha’Torah), Zevulun gives 50% of his income to Issochar and gets 50% of his zechus of Talmud Torah. If one gives something to suppport learning, one gets a big mitsva, but not 50% of the zechus.
There is such a thing as Da’as Torah, even if SJSinNYc and Cantoresq think whatever they think. Acording to you, SJSinNYC and Cantoresq, is it o.k. for someone to be in kollel and rely on the financial support of others? Have you ever heard of Issochar and Zevulun? Of Chachazokas ha’Torah? Why is it o.k. for universities to receive grants for their work? As far as the government programs go , it is a different sha’ila.
I do not think it is unethical, but we have to be worried how it may be percieved.
And by the way, it was Ramban, not Rashi.
M in Israel, kindly, re-read my previous posts. I think, I was quite clear.
Government programs were meant(as Tsedoka) for people who fell on hard times and can not (temporarily, usually) put bread on the table. Forget about your Yeshivishe negiyos, think about how it looks to an unbiased outsider.
One is allowed to take money from people who want to support your learning, but the American public never volunteered, and some people might(c^v) have ta’anos.
Stop already your outrageous crume excuses!
Shlishi, did you use to be “myfriend”?
DHM,living off a government charity is a poshute, universal ta’ana. Stop dreing, already. Lame and convoluted explanations are no heter for Chillul HaShem.
DHM, is CHillul HaShem an aveira? A big one, maybe?
DHM, convoluted and lame excuses won’t work!
And just because some idiots have ta’anos on the bris mila, it does not mean it’s objectively questionable. BUT something, which an unbiased and normal outsider may question and be upset about, is a problem.
Many Goyim in this country look at people taking government programs as lazy bums who live off others ( unless there is a very valid reason). Look in the Gemora I mentioned to understand how much Chazal were concerned about this. You can’t use some lame excuses. Mila is not objectively questionable. Living off others is.
Just look in Ha’Arel in Yevomos, the ma’ase of Bnei Shaul.
Shlishi,do the Frum Yidden have a greater obligation than others to make a very good impression? There is such a thing as Chilul HaShem and issur to cause eiva. There is no such a thing as chilul Africa. If Goyim have legitemate ta’anos, it’s Chilul HaShem. And the Torah is very makpid on this.
Binahyeseirah, the general public(the Goyim) do not view Talmud Torah as so important. Therefore, your whole analogy with a genius looking for a cure does not apply.
DHM, there are not 2 million Frum Jews in NYC.
I think, it’s Chilul HaShem and causing eiva(animosity) to have a lot of Kollel people taking government programs.
DHM, so Dovid ha”melech was a destroyer when he lead the Jewish Army to battle? Stop your drivel already!
Proskurov is a city. It’s called Chmelnitskiy now.
When I wrote “these fellows”, I did not mean to include Rabbis.
I do pick the most lenient opinion, if somebody paskens that one can rely on it. Eventhough, sometimes I have ta’anos on the Rabbi for paskening so. Sometimes, I have ta’anos on the Rabbi and on the person — because I know they just want to mekal on it by hook or by crook. And sometimes these fellows would do it, even if nobody allowed it.
SJSinNYC, certain lenient opinions are beyond something one can rely on. Sometimes, some people do things just because they want to, and not because they have a certain lenient opinion in mind. Generally speaking, there are Halochic rules as to which opinions one can rely one. One can not just grab a lenient opinion from some place and go act on it.
A be’shogeg person being awful? How about a fellow who batters his wife, but he does not know it’s assur?
SJSINyc, be’etzem you are right, unless one is positive that the other person is knowingly doing something clearly ossur. Also, sometimes, the fellow might be a shogeg, but one has to be a pretty bad guy to do such a shogeg.
I am a great am ha’aretz. But again ,this not the place for a full review of the sugya.
You, meanwhile, just, please, go and learn Kesubos 72 with Rashi, to start with.
Rabbiofberlin, this not the place to mefalpel in well-known shailos which have already been paskened and for trying to disprove Modern Rabbis with the newly-found shvere heteirim. Just to start with — go learn Kesubos 72.
I am not going (eventhough I am capable of it) to start going through the whole sugya here, a well-known sugya which has been paskened on already.
And I take issue with shvere right-wing sachen(zachen) also.
Any supporters to the opinion that such a lady is an apikores as per that Hungarian Ruv?
My point is that this is no way to pasken: digging up random shvere minority shitos or da’as yehids to justify pirtzos. This is the way of the early Reform in Deutschland, rabbiofberlin.
Charliehall, Rabbi Broyde is a Modern Orthodox Rabbi. I do not accept his count-down of the shitos without seeing at how he arrived at his conclusions inside. Again, the Gemora in Kesubos 72 is clear that the ikar hair-covering is min’Ha’Torah. Shitos claiming otherwise would be hard-pressed to explain the Gemora. The opinion that it is a minhag sounds extremely shvere, if it even exists, and is not the result of somebody’s extremely shvere interpritations. And if you start going for far-off shitos, I know of a teshuva from a Hungarian (pashtus, Chassidishe) Ruv who held that a lady who does not cover her hair is misosa b’yad kol adam.
And if it were de’rabbonon(eventhough, who told you that we go with those shvere shitos), so what?? De’Rabbonon does not mean “mutar”.
And again, what are these MO ma’asos? Going after minority opinions or da’as yehids., including very shvere ones. Or dreing up even those minority opinions or da’as yehids(like it happens in some cases)?
Yitay, off-hand, the Trumos HaDeshen was saying that covering all hair is de’rabbonon, not that the whole thing is derabbonon.
I do not have time to read your whole megilla, say it shortly. From what I did read, it looks like your opinion is not shared by the regular Poskim. Chofets Chaim held it was de’Oraysa. That’s the pashtus of the sugya.
Do not give me this MO schtik: going into the sugya, finding one shvere da’as yehid or a minority opinion and relying on it. Like you tried to do about the pritsusdik clothing — using the shita that it all goes basar the minhag. Most Poskim do not hold like that and it does not fit the metsius.
The OP asked about if contemporary sheitels are tsniusdik, not if a lady has to wear it.
Yitay and rabbiof, when people went to work on Shabbos in early days in the US, you would want to say that somehow it was not chilul Shabbos either?
Rabbiof, your way is:a)people start doing an aveira(c^v);b) you cook up heteirim postfactum;c)now it’s mutar.Gevalt geshrigen!!