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Yichusdic, this is outrageous! The Gemora does so praise him! Btw, he thought she was a Bas Yisroel.
Cleverjewishpun, that’s the problem. One has to be frum because of his/her relationship with HaShem.
Yichusdic, look again! The Gemora does certainly praise him! The Gemora asks why the earlier generations had their prayers answered more than the later ones. The Gemora answers that the Earlier ones stood up for Kovod Shamaim, but the Later ones did not. It brings the ma’ase to prove the point about the earlier generations.
The rebuked party does not need to give reshus. If it is o.k. al pi Halocha, one may go ahead.
Yichusdic, for your info, the Gemora in Brochos 20A praises an Amora for ripping off a pritsusdic hat off a woman’s head!
I think, it was assur to spit at that girl. Much of the rest of what you said are falsifications of the Torah. Stop dreing up the Torah! The ta’ana of sinas chinam apllies when it is indeed chinam — without a valid al pi Torah reason. That was the problem then, it is still a problem now. However, when someone does real aveiros, it is a different story.
Yichusdic, really basic things. The requirement of ” lo sis alav chet” apllies only during first time or times when you rebuke the person. If he continues to do the aveira intentionally, you are allowed to publicaly yell at him etc. Look in the ” Chofets Chaim”. If it is a wise think to do, it depends. Stop, however, inventing all these modernishe reasons as to why one is not allowed to forcefully moche or be a kanoi.
Yihusdic, drei nit ken kup !Do not give me all this Kabbalah explanations. The mitsva to give tochecha, stopping sinners apllies to all times! Learn Brochos 20A. The Torah does not change over time. You should be disgusted by all the aveiros. One does not have to be on huge madregos to be moche.
Yichusdic, Chareidi girls have already been spitten on by the freie. Otherwise, the Chasidim are making a machoh. Is it wise? I do not know. Incertain cases. for sure, not.
Btw, do you hold of Pinchas nen Elozar ben Aharon ha’Kohen?
Shmoolik, the best bachurim belong in the yeshivos. Your implication that there they are not useful citizens is 100% apikorsus.
Yuchusdic, your “control” theories is pure slander. I do not agree with everything that is going on by the Israeli Chareidim, but it is meant le’shem Shomaim.
What he quoted is all true. Just this rasha does not want to humble himself and see the truth.
It certainly has to do with the gender – men learn Gemora and S.A., and women don’t.
Health, not every Godol holds that it is ossur to have dealings with the Medina. You were overly influenced by the Satmar shittos.
And Moshe Rabbeinu had hakoras hatov to the Nile.
Oomis, it is not up to us to darshin pesukim — it was up to Chazal. With all due respect to you, as a man, I know Halocha better. Sometimes, she is entitled to demand a get, and, sometimes, she is not.
As far as the darshining pesukim goes, the Torah says that if one wants to divorce one’s wife, it must be through a get.
Oomis, there is no such a mitsva ase, amd the marriage is not over until there is a get. As the Horses Moth(??!) pointed out there are situations where she is entitled to demand a get and there others when she is not.
I agree with with Sam2, that piskei Halocha may not be driven by ideology. It happens though both by the MO and the Chareidim.
Did R. Eliyahsev really write this or is it some kannoim posing as him? Practically speaking, what’s the alternative — to continue to live off the frei while making a Chilul HaShem? Why in America people could learn a profession, and everything is fine?
Sam2, I said getting physical, not “horgim oso”.
Sam2, go ask a shaila about geting physical to prevent aveiros. I do not have time to bring the mekoros for you. Granted, sometimes, it is not wise. Plenty of fellows here do not think there is ever room for protests.
Whats_in_a_name and others, you are wrong! Even though mistakes were done by people in Bet Shemesh, there is a different problem. You and the like-minded do not know that there is such a thing in the Torah as opposing commiting aveiros. Learn more Torah! Do you approve of Pinchas ben Elozar ben Aharon ha’Kohen?
Mr. Adams, hema ochrei Yisroel. People who oveir issurim are ruining the Torah.
Aruch HaShulchan clearly writes that not covering the hair is a pirtsa.
Like I said, if there is a strong mekaling shita, you can say that others may not be moche. However, if one MO Rabbi came out with a very far-off zach, which he thinks is a heter, it does not mean that everybody has to take it seriously.
Wolf, denial is not a place in Egypt, and there should not be many wolves there anyway. The truth hurts.
Sam2, how is it going over there at YU? “Those who have a mesora not to cover their hair…”?????!!!! A mesora of pirtsa! And I come from a place where there is a mesora not to keep Shabbos! Have you got a heter for that?
Seriously speaking, I do not think Rabbi Broyde’s zachen is a enough of a basis, so that others would not have the right to be moche. Actually, I think, some Gedolim made a machoh against him.
Like I said, you can find very shvere (fraught with a lot difficulties), not accepted shittos to matir half of SA with them.
Sam2, not every shitta, randomly pulled out of the hat(as is the minhag by the MO), one is allowed to rely on.
Yitzchkom, I must be kidding! And those who speak during davening do so in public with a realization that it is wrong.
Health, as a side point, like I told you already, check the S.A. Hilchos Ribbis that it is ossur to lend money on interest to a tinok she’nishba, but it is mutar to do it with a mumar. One is bechlal “Amisecha”, and one is not.
Sam2, stop with your naive assumptions. Namely, that if someone keeps Shabbos and Kashrus properly, then, it must be they keep Tsnius too, or, at least, they think they do. Have you ever heard of a mumar le’davar echad? Someone might just not care enough or have yetser hora for a particular aviera.
Ye,ye. Today is the last day of Chanuka. We are celebraring the victory of the “violent extremist” Chashmonaim over the Greeks. And do you know what their zeides did in times of Yehoshua? They killed those Kenanim who refused to do teshuva or leave. Can you imagine? Totally not your version of Judaism.
Now, I agree that it might be unwise to be violent giving the circumstances. I do not think one is allowed to spit at a somebody else’s minor, either. However, let us not twist the Torah, either.
Yitzchkom,from haircovering alone? And what about going to shul and seeing some people talk during davening? He’ll see aveiros anyhow.
Menachem Melamed, speaking negatively about Yidden is not allowed when it’s done without a valid reason. When there is a real need, it’s permitted.
Agittayid, it says that the perciever is a realist.
1)Azolis,I was just responding to suggestions that what was done was somehow-maybe half-muttar.
2) After all the limudei zechus, what was done was still wrong. If someone had a rough childhood situation, and he grows up to be frum and a tremendous ba’al chesed etc., but keeping kosher is just too much for him, is his eating chazir not an aveira?
3) Aries, all the claims about the Gedolim being around are outrageous! They knew their words would not have been heeded.
Truthsharer, is wearing jeans one of them?!?
Nisht Ahen Nisht Aher, and I think some Chassidims’ views are soooo offf!
SAM2, in most cases they just did whatever they wanted without any regard for any shittos( which are not to be relied on).Do not be naive!
SAM2, you can find opinions that matir (or forbid) anything! We are to go with the accepted opinions!! Do you seriously think that those ladies were relying on this shita or that shita? They just did what they wanted regardless. Certain kulos that we do not pasken by should not even be mentioned so as not to give an excuse for those wishing to do whatever they feel like. You have to be careful!
Covering knees and elbows is Halocha, but that there are crazy chumros being pushed around is true.
Supergirl613, only eating seuda kevua is ossur. Drinking is mutar.
Violating “al tarbe” is a tznius breach in and by itself. To talk to cousins there might be room to be more lenient. Look in Gittin 90A on the bottom.
Soleik, divrei Chazal are divrei Chazal, and the gidrei Tznius they established are bindind on us.
Passfan, that’s, for sure, not according to S.A. There are those that have proposed a heter, but it is not poshut. According to the S.A., a 60-year old may not marry a 20-year old.
There is nothing wrong with an early marriage, if the spouses are mature enough. In parts of the former Soviet Union, it was legal for 16 year-old girls to get married without parental concent. In this country, people mature later.
Soleik, what about “al tarbe sicha im ha’isha”?
Passfan, S.A. says it causes ze’nus. The reason is obvious. If the young man’s wife looks like an old lady, or a young woman’s husband is not physically fit, but rather is old-looking and frail, it could lead to problems, c^v.
Passfan, Even HaEzer 2:9. What’s the psshat in Chasam Sofer — I don’t know, assuming that old man’s information is correct.
WM, you are wrong: an old man is not allowed to marry a young woman and an old woman is not allowed to marry a young man.