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Sam2 and others, it is a shvere shita to say that Islam is avoda zora. Alla just means God in Arabic. Do not create shailos.
Zeeskite, denail is not a place in Egypt. A lot of times, by a lot of people, chumros lead to ga’avah and sinas chinom.
Oomis1105, but you are right about the ga’avah and the sinas chinom.
Oomis, look in “Mesilas Yeshorim”, chapters about prishus and chassidus.
Zahavasdad, I did not say it was assur.
Loyal Jew, all this staff that you said can not establish an issur. Go learn how Halocha works.
Zahavasdad, please! I can find plenty of Gedolim who disagree with your shittos.
A specific response: he never said it is not a ma’alah to do it. Others, for sure, hold it is better to have separate seating. It is also obvious (look at my previous posts).
Oomis, it appears so from the choice of words of either Gemora or Rashi there. It also explains why that Gemora is not a proof to allow real dancing without mechitzah.
As far as parading goes, it was not a problem — they were single girls in need of a shidduch.
Loyal Jew, who made this issur?
Oomis, they were walking-dancing in circles. It was not real dancing.
I wanted to go to sleep, but…
1) If one wants to hold by a higher madreigah, he needs to accept chumros. Source? “Mesilas Yeshorim”!
2) Women may not dance when men see them.
3) It is better to have a separate seating for the meal also. Especially, when some women are dressed-to-kill and the rest are quite mekushat.
Separate seating is very needed by concerts. Otherwise, you would have men seating next to dressed-to-kill other men’s wives, and so close that one needs an effort to avoid negia. And sometimes the ladies begodim are not long enough either!
Also, Sam2, off-hand, the Gemora there implies that if she were married, it would be normative Halocha. Look in the Ran there.
Yihusdic and Sam2, if it was assur to do, then they were wrong. Do not bring emotions and wrong ones at that into determining Halochah!
Sam2, off-hand, look at the last omud in Ben Soreir u’Moire.
Menucha12, it is already a Jewish history question. It is mainly because of the loss of observance and Torah knowledge in early years in America.
I agree with you that sometimes some people exagerate, and it is wrong. Having said that, in this case it is not an exageration — it is a halocha in Shulchan Aruch. What’s the p’shat? The explanation is as follows: doing negia with an erva makes a terrible stain on a Yid’s neshomah. So HaShem would rather he die then do it. Post factum,, it is not so terrible that a sanhedrin would be obligated to go after him and execute him.
Oomis1105, with all due respect, do not tell people like Sam2 to go re-read the Torah — he is at least somewhat of a Talmid Chochom, and you are not.
The reason why a woman is not obligated to be killed to avoid being raped(chas^ve’sholom) is because she is considered to be an inactive participant. If someone puts a gun to her head and tells her to go do an active act of gilui arayos or negia, she is obligated to be shot and not do it.
Also, negia is not a capital offence, but it is yehareg ve’lo’ yaavor. It is a clear din in Gemora and Shulchan Aruch.
Oomis1105, we go with the explanation of Chazal. The posuk, I brought, forbids negia derech ta’ava according to them. What Bp27 meant was that it is an unquestioned Halocha.
ItcheSrulik, you are wrong. Most Rishonim hold it is min’Torah, and so we pasken. (And it is ossur to all arayos.)
Exlakewooder, it says in the parsha of arayos:”velo sikarvu legalos erva…”. This is the mekor. A pnuya, who became a nidda de’oraisa (when and how is a different shmuz), is an erva. Shulchan aruch paskens that all lavin of the 3 chamuros are yehareg ve’lo’yaavor.
Yungerman1, a Goy is not metzuve on this.
Sam2, what I mean is that in the case of a Jewish woman shaking hands with a Goy, we should have if not a total assumption then at least a very strong chashash that he is doing it with chibah in mind. Therefore, when she does it, she basically allows herself to be touched for chibah purposes.
Shticky shlo, chibah means affection.
Sam2, are you serious? According to you, a Jewish lady is allowed to let someone be nogea in her with intentions of chiba? Chas ve’sholom, lo tehey zos be’Yisroel!
Shtiky shlo, it is spelled: “ches”, “yud”,”beis”,”hey”.
HaLevi, you are wrong. The answer depends on if it is considered derech chiba or not. And adaraba, when a Goy shakes a frum woman’s hand, I would be concerned about it being derech chiba. It does not have to do with the handshakes being a normal part of the protocol or not.
Sam, it is a machlokes Ramo and Chasam Sofer.
And Beis Yosef holds it is only “nochon”.
Practically impossible.
His brother Rav Avraham said that everything there is kosher. And what about the 27 min., if it does not cause chimutz?
I just looked in the M.B. and the Biur Halocha, and it is not poshut at all that it is a problem, and the Chofets Chaim matirs in many cases. Look there! Or in E. Yisroel, it is always lehachmir?!?
Fief un, the story with the Kollel is the same as with the Arba minim — there was not an opportunity. Now. ther is.
Toi, see my previous post.
Sometimes, things are done in a certain way, and it is a shevere chumra or a shvere kula. And it was started in times of the Achronim. And it is not good to continue to do it.
Then what’s the deal with the 27 min.? Even a little bit is a problem.
It said the process takes 27 minutes, and it’s too long. If mei peros do not cause chometz, what’s the problem?
Stam yenam? They use yain asher eino mevushal there??!?
The Fidler guys’ smears and hits are absolutely disgusting and nauseating. Carefully calculated lies and misrepresentations.
Itshe, there is a difference between adding a zach and being mevatel a zach.
Yid.period, in those days, “no choice” was peshuto ke’mashmo’o -otherwise they would be starving.
Yid.period, learning in the cheder till 10 might have happened (usually, for longer), but nobody held it was good — there was often no choice.
Knowing science etc. is necessary to a degree. It is not equal to the Torah itself though. The Torah was given only to Klal Yisroel. We were commanded to learn it. Science — any Goy could learn it, if he wants.
Moderators, it is not a good thread!!!!
No, he is not. not his chiyuv.
More_2, it is like saying the Nevi’im should not have rebuked the Jews about the avodah zarah in times of Bais Rishon. The people should fix their middos before the Day of Final Reckoning arrives.
An Amaleiki is bound by the issur of retzicha(suicide). Mechiyas Amaleik is not his mitsva.
Toi,not fartig!The Poskim in S.A. say that ba’alei batim who have only 3-4 hours to learn should learn Halocha le’ma’ase, and not only Gemora. Everyone, including bnei Torah, must know Halocha in order to know what to do! You can’t be yotzei just with boich pilpulim in the Reb Chaim’s chidushim!
Squeak, I think what he did was o.k. He called a spade a spade. He called a lowlife a lowlife.
Logician , he was not a bigger rasha than many Tanach and Second Beis HaMikdash reshoim. Btw, Ramo holds it is muttar for a Goy to be a Notzri.
Logicia, what’s so wrong with oso ish? It was Paul who got it really rolling. Besides, neither killed anybody.
Logician, there are numerous sources that the time of the Redemption is going to be a time of great judgement. May HaShem have mercy on the Yidden! The Zohar says there is going to be a makka to kill out those Jews who do not want Moshiach to come. “And who can bear the day of his coming, and who will stand when he is revealed…”(Malachi).
Josh31, 80% of the Jews were killed during makas choshech.
HaLevi, not telling people what to do is not a Torah value.
The Goq, who cares if they know about it?? What’s the difference? We have our obligations and concerns (such as not allowing the society to get even more polluted)! Please, re-read my posts.
Goq,the Torah applies to the Goyim also — namely, the 7 mitsvos. It forbids them to do this aveira(which means, obviously, that they can avoid it). It provides for a death penalty for the violation. We are supposed to prevent them from doing it if we could. It also affects the society we live in.
The Goq, “Live and let live” is a possule American liberal concept. It is totaly against the Torah. If we had the power,it would be our obligation to prevent even the Goyim from violating the 7 mitsvos.
Wolf, it is not the place to discuss those types of Halohos, Squeak just meant to show that the Loyal Jew’s statement is preposterous.
Cherrybim, you are so wrong! The Beis HaMikdash did have a mechitza — during Simchas Beis HaShoeva when many women came. That mechitza is the mekor for having a mechitza in shuls or at simchos (even if women do not dance).
Loyal Jew, mixed buses are mutar. Rav Moshe held that cholov stam is muttar.
Rabbiofberlin, look in Yad Moshe to find where it is. Btw, by meals, if the women are not dancing, it is only a ma’alah — not a chiyuv. An important ma’alah, though, considering how mekushtos so many women are.
According to Rav Moshe, any event open to the general public (as opposed to “by invitation only”) needs a mechitza.