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147, yasher koach for saying it like it is!
Right, Health, a dialect of German is a Jewish language, but a dialect of Loshon Kodesh is not? How ridiculuos is that!?!
Nechoma, give us a break with the anti-Zionist propaganda! How much is 2+2?11, maybe?
Smartcookie, Yiddish is a dialect of German. Any German understands it.
147, thank you for saying the obvious!
In Williamsburg, they are upset about any amount of English at a Jewish gathering. They have their very shvere shitta: Hebrew is treif, and so is English. Only Yiddish is kosher.
Zahavasdad, she was probably Litvish.
Yiddish was not around for a thousand years. It was for a number of centuries. A thousand years ago, the Ashkenazi Jews spoke standard German mamesh.
AviK, chas ve’sholom, waht are you saying? A Ger can not be in a position of honor? Chas’vesholom to say it! The only problem is a position of power.
Derszoger, I know I won’t prove anything to you, but to dispel the confusion: Chareidim including memebers of their families(who all need to be supported constitute 10% of the (Jewish) population.
Avhaben would you tell the US government to go jump in the lake, the way the Israeli Chareidim do it to the Israeli government?
Beh Levi! If 10% of the population in the US were Chareidim in kollel on the government money, the funding would have been stopped very quickly.
Derszoger, enough already! There is a difference between the Russian czar and other matzovim.
Ymb, you know, some people are of the opinion that there was no Holocaust.
Ymb and Ben Levi, I postulate London is the capital of Spain!
If someone does not want to listen seriously to the other party’s arguments, but to defend his opinion at any cost, you will never prove anything to him.
Avhaben, baloney stories. Look in his book.
Akuperma, baloney. They would have drafted them.
Ben Levi, my point is that how much can you ignore the government and the opinion of the majority of the population of the country you live in? No other country would agrre to such a matzav. The Israeli Chareidim could try coming to the US, but many will have to go and get a job here (which is the end of the world as far as they go).
Rav Hutner told him not to evade!
Ben Levi, there is no blanket ptur for all young people of Tel Aviv. You, the Joseph chevra, just have to defend the Chareidi position no matter what, even if they declared that London is the capital of Spain.
Avhaben, we are talking about a draft situation!
Avhaben, Rav Hutner sent future Lt. Berenbaum to the army.
Avhaben, enough is enough. No country would allow so many exemptions! No country would allow so many people to be in kollel on the taxpayers money and not serve in the army. It is the inconvinient truth.
Zichmich, you have to worry about how things look to outsiders. It is called avoiding chilul HaShem.
Derszoger, abhaven, Josephs, look in Shulchan Aruch O,Ch. 156. Learning full- time is only when and if possible. There is no chiyuv, guarantee or promise that always, everybody will be able to just sit and learn forever. In Europe, everybody was in kollel? Stop with your propaganda!
Plus, no country would allow such massive exemptions (especially, after annoying the majority of the country so many times, as the Chareidim have done).
Ymb, they do not owe anything to the state of Israel?!? What about all the money for the yeshivos? What a disgrace! What a chillul HaShem!
Ymb, stop with the lunacy!!! If they lived in US or Poland, or Russia, and there were a draft, you would also tell the government to go jump in the lake? Are you out of your mind?
IF not for the Israeli government funding, most of those kollel people would have to go and get a job! Usually, most frum Jews had to work — both in golus and before.
Stop with your Brisker fantasies!
Rabbiofberlin, it is in the Gemora (Kiddushin, perek 4) — that any position of authority is included. A Rabbi is not that, unless he seats on a beis din. Then, I think, it depends on what is being paskened on.
Akuperma, it depends on the fellow’s intelligence and siyatta de’Shmaya. There are big Talmidey Chachomim, who had a late start.
Derzoger(Joseph), and Reb Moshe matirs, as it is not a postion of power, unlike a chief of police, for example.
Loyal Jew(Joseph 1 or 2), the profusion of right-wing fanatics requires reigning them in.
Joseph(derszoger), who told you they can’t? Reb Moshe in a teshuva writes that they can.
Akuperma, for crying out loud!! What we mean is how you can ignore the suffering and the death of millions!!!!
Derszoger, Rav Shach would agree in theory to this. In practice, he did not trust the Arabs. I myself saw his letter in “Mictavim umamarim”. Drei nit kein kup!
Shmoel, yea. And the Rov fought against the government in E. Yisroel. Had he tried to do that in Poland or Russia, it would have been stopped real fast. And brutal.
And A. Eichmann just decided to save all those Jews out of the blue?!? How dare you?
If not for Israel, all these anti-Zionists would have to live in Russia and Poland, and there the locals would not put up with any of these Chareidi antics. (the Briskers would not go to trief America, would they?)
Rav Shach was against the Oslo agreements — he did not trust the Arabs! Look in his letters!
Akuperma! Are you for real?!? 6 million Jews were killed — 2/3 of European Jewry, a 1/3 of Klal Yisroel!! Your statements are outrageous!
Rabbiofberlin, you have to be aware that a number of posters here have been brainwashed with the Brisker shittos. Namely ,that Zionism was founded to take Yidden of the derech. Needless to say that this shitta is not supported by historical facts at all. These Brisker cadets are, however, fanatical about it. At the same time, the Briskers do not hold of giving up land. I do not know what to make out of it.
Then, wher do Muslims bow in front of him? In a regular mosque they bow only in front of HaShem.
Other Rishonom asked kashios on Rabbeinu Tam. Reb Moshe held that the kashos are so strong, and Rabbeinu Tam is so shvere, that his shitta is mufrach and not to be relied upon for p’sak. Avnei Nezer held nit azoi. It was Reb Moshe’s opinion!
Ve’adaraba, if the questions on the Ran were not so strong, I would not say it is a shvere shitta — because what’s so shvere? The kashios are not so, so strong. It is another deyah. Just because the kashios are so shtark, I said what I said.
Against Rav Papa – no. Against a Rishon — Achronim do that.
The pshat in kashois is that ha’makshe holds that whatever teretz the the other party has, it is not going to be enough of an answer, and the teretz is going to be a big doihek.
Stop with you misplaced and misinformed kanaus, bnei Levi!
HaLevi ,do me a favor read my posts carefully! Other Rishonim argued. Reb Moshe called the shitta freg-up!!
1.As far as I remember the Ran, they bow in front of his coffin like that. It is a simple act of reverence. 2. If they do not treat him as a deity, it can’t be avoda zora.
What about Paris being the capital of Turkey? I guess, as far as you go, it would be.
Rishonim were greateer than us, but they were people. They were not unfallible.
Sam2: 1) Reb Moshe was a late Achron; 2) I am not Reb Moshe, but not an am ha’aretz, either. 3) Tzitz Eliezer havi ruba de’alma? Mai hai?
HaLevi, onther Rishonim argue on Rabbeinu Tam. It is Reb Moshe, however, who called his shitta freg-up. Get it?
Why is there no kovod for a dead person?? Even by the Yidden, there is such a concept as kovod ha’mes.
There is such a mahalach ha’psak when an Achron after learning through a sugya could be machria in a machlokes Rishonim. That’s what Reb Moshe held.
Again, in this case, we are talking about well-known facts. We are not talking about some concept in dinei mamonos.
I objected to your tone and style of talking to me.
Let us stop going in circles!
Mestama, if a Godol wrote that Paris is the capital of Turkey, you would never say that he made a mistake. Would you?
HaLevi, stop lecturing me in a manner as if you were my rebbe.
Now, to the matter at hand. If it were a Ran about hilchos gittin, for example, I would follow the way you described. We talk, however, about something that it is open for anybody in in the world to know (unless you are too Yeshivish), namely, that Moslems do not worship Mohamed, but HaShem only. All the bowing is no more that you getting up in front of your Rov. Rambam, who lived among them and knew them well, and who we usually pasken like over Ran, held that their religion is no avoda zora. S.A. paskens like that.
Now, to your contention that the shitta is never dismissed, reread my post about whar Reb Moshe wrote!
Also, Christianity is not avoda zora?!? So why is yehareg ve’lo’ya’avor? The reason always given is that it is avoda zora!
HaLevi, some ulta-frum have a god-like reverence for Gedolim. Is their version of Yiddishkeit an avoda zora?
HaLevi, Rav Moshe (a late Achron) wrote about a certain shitta of Rabbeinu Tam (a Rishon) that it is a fregt-up shitta. If you meshamesh Talmidei Chachomim enough, you’ll find out that your approach is not aliba de’kuli alma.
Derszoger, stop with the propaganda.
Sam2, for crying out loud, others disagree.n Plus, in Christianity there is the trinity. How it is connected to the cross – I do not know. It is a different shaila! And a Godol could make a mistake.
If Islam is not avoda zora, how a mosque could be a beis avoda zora??
Sam2, after all the pilpulim, it is shvere, and we do not pasken like this. And do not give me all this “he also knew that S.A. or that Gemorah…”.
Lemonysnicket, what you wrote has nothing to do with reality.
Sam2, again: the Ran and the Tzitz Eliezer are shvere shitos, and we do not pasken like that. Btw, Chacham Ovadya is not the only person who has dealt withe shailah. S.A. in hilchos yain nesech paskens that the Arabs are not ovdei avoda zora!