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I also want to add that it’s only by muktzeh (something that’s drabbonon because they did it as a geder to protect shabbos
It’s not a blanket thing (even though we say יש כח לחכמים לעקור דבר מן התורה….)
“Coffee, i hear your perspective, but i preempted it by saying that chazal cancelled mitzvos due to the mere possibility of people sinning. Klal yisroel’s shofar, 4 minim… Aren’t worth it if one jew *might* carry… Accidentally!!“
I understand what you are saying, however
“they aren’t canceling the mitzvah completely, only if it falls out on shabbos, and originally it was only cancelled outside of the mikdash, in the beis hamikdash they still did all those things (this was before galus edom)
“Kal vechomer it’s not worth it for us to have eretz yisroel in order to keep shmitah etc if the MAJORITY will sin WILLFULLY, even if they’re tinokos shenishbu, which is far from clear. I think you’d agree that at least some chilonim aren’t, if they grew up somewhat religious.“
Would you say the same thing about Kiruv? There’s a lot of people that will drive home on shabbos purposely? What about Pesach? People will eat chametz anyway!
It seems like the chachamim did it specifically by shabbos and in a case where the mitzvah won’t be forgotten (every year Rosh Hashana falls out on a different day of the week, and there were two days outside of eretz yisrael) and if you say that we should “give up” eretz yisrael, no Jew would live there? If they would a not frum could also and it wouldn’t solve anything
“How is having the land the greatest gift? what has it brought us? More people sin with it by not keeping shmita/terumah/maaser….isn’t that a net loss?“
I see it as the opposite, now that we have land more people are keeping shmittah, terumos, and maaseros (and those that aren’t are tinoks shenishhbahs
I wouldn’t be surprised if there were more people keeping shmittah than during the first beis hamikdash
Avira,
Nothing can happen outside of what Hashem wants, even the “מעשה שטן” by the עגל was orchestrated by Hashem (if you believe the שטן has power outside of Hashem I think you have the wrong religion)
Now that doesn’t mean that it isn’t a test (like the עגל) but it’s exactly what Hashem wants and it might be that the state is “evil” and the test is to fight the state at every turn, but it knight also mean that the state should be used as way to be מקרב people that would be lost to assimilation if not for the state
The question ultimately is was this part of Hashem’s plan? Can something happen that isn’t part of Hashem’s plan?
I saw a vort recently (can’t remember where) that גם זו לטובה means that the only reason you’re viewing it as bad is because you don’t see the full picture, if you did you would see a masterpiece and ultimately this “bad thing” was really good
To joe’s question of “ Does that make the Holocaust a good thing?” I have heard that if the holocaust didn’t happen there would have been so much intermarriage that we wouldn’t be able to recover as a nation, so in some aspects it was “good” (I apologize to the posters that had ancestors that perished in the holocaust I’m not trying to make hitler yms a good person, nor what he did was a good action, but it is all in Hashem’s plan)
Please explain
According to my understanding no one can get to גן עדן
Reb eliezer,
Look in פרק ג פסוק כ״ד the פסוק says לשמור את דרך עץ החיים why do you need something to guard the way to the עץ החיים they couldn’t get into גן עדן according to your pshat let alone the עץ החיים
Loshenhara,
“If we could only have achdus then we
would have no problems with the Palestinians“Personally IMO achdus only comes about through Torah
ויחן שם ישראל נגד ההר-כאיש אחד בלב אחדBy Purim Haman said עם מפוזר ומפורד which means there was no achdus and what happened afterwards קימו וקיבלו, קימו מה שקבלו כבר
“Coffee addict, I have no idea what the gedolim said about the earthquake or the attacks.“
Then I guess you don’t frequent the main site
Posek HaDor On Turkish Quake: “The Navi Tells Us The Houses In J-m Will Be Destroyed”
Hagaon HaRav Gershon Edelstein Shlit”a Pens Urgent Message in Light of Recent Tragedies
Gadolhadorah,
I guess I misunderstood this part of your comment
“We have chashuvah rabbonim and askanim offering conflicting reasons over the past week for the big Earthquake in Turkey, the terrorist attacks in EY and even why the Eagles lost the superbowl.“
Maybe next time indicate that it’s cr rabbonim and askanim
Reb eliezer,
So what was the point of the angels to block the way to the עץ החיים
Gadolhadorah,
Are you knocking the gedolim that spoke about the earthquake and the terrrorist attacks?
Ry23,
How do you know that they weren’t the ones to make such stories?
Maybe sci-fi stories of aliens are really autobiographies
Reb eliezer,
What I’m saying is that Adam Harishon ate from the עץ הדעת on the sixth day but Hashem let him stay in גן עדן over Shabbos which is why He put the angels by the עץ החיים because if he was kicked out of גן עדן right away why does anything need to be put by the עץ החיים?
I hope I’m being clear
“that is the problem. we should be trying our best to FULLY SECURE our communities and not allow these arab terrorists who openly call for our death to be living next to our sons and daughters. if Moshe, Yehoshua, Gideon, Shimshon and Dovid Hamelech were running EY today they would totally not accept the current security situation.“
They would probably have klal yisrael do teshuva for an aveirah that was done or daven (like moshe with amelek)
When klal yisrael does the רצון ה׳ there is no need for “security”
Reb eliezer,
I thought Adam harishon was in gan Eden over shabbos
Square root,
Are you talking about moshiach’s descendants or his yichus to Dovid and Shlomo?
I’m playing devil’s advocate here I don’t believe any of them are moshiach
The Gemara says (a famous Shmuely unger song) כל המלמד את בן חבירו כאילו היוולדו
If that’s the case his children can be his תלמידים
Avira,
Takkah eppes grada a gevaldige Zach!
Yserbius,
And what did you type in?
Aaq,
How do you know we weren’t used as a test run?
Happy birthday!
May the next one be in ירושלים with משיח צדקיהו במהרה בימינו אמן!
So far we have Amil, ctlawyer, and Reb eliezer as widowed democrats
Is there any republicans on this site that’s widowed or divorced?
A match made in the cr!
Who would be the shadchan (to get the shadchan gelt)? Ujm? (Ctlawyer can give him the money since he knows him personally) (and he did rake the test thread out of spam)
Can we all be invited to the chasuna?
Bsha’ah tova
That is an amazing poem whitecar
Did AI really generate it or did you think of that yourself?
“One big difference is that in MO shuls I am always greeted and given invitations. The more chareidei shuls think that if you found the shul, you can or did find everything else“
N0mesorah,
I totally relate, I think MO are very big into individual hachnasas orchim but that goes into the geder of chessed and when you take chessed to the extreme it turns into znus (which is what we are seeing to a smaller degree with mixed interactions)
You use a rotary phone to type your comments
Wow, that is something
“And there aren’t Chasidim that shmooze or on their phone during davening?“
I don’t know I don’t usually daven late, but I don’t think on the same level, where there can be 2 chassidim that shmooze or on the phone tgg he ere are 6 or 7 MOs
I know I’m coming late to the discussion but I want to add my two cents
There was someone (or a few people) who bashed cgassidim for davening after Zman tfillah, that’s nothing compared to YI who half the guys don’t put on their tefillin properly and are on their phone or shmooze with the guy next to them FOR THE WHOLE DAVENING
believe me, if an MO doesn’t have to wake up early they would daven at 11 too
Aaq,
His chavrusa was probably waiting for him
He probably had a kosher phone without internet capability
You guys know that the 9 is next to the 0 right?
“I say excuse me when I want to pass.“
Reb eliezer,
In your example if one lady moved so you can pass which gives you a space to walk between them would you pass, if not then what?
“You now have a Toevah congressman from LI who has lied about EVERYTHING including his mother having escaped from the Nazis, etc.“
You’re right Gadolhadorah,
He probably lied about being a republican too….
Like salty fish on a sweet cracker
Dr Pepper,
You believe the same things as trump so you’re basically the same person as him and jackk would never answer trump so he won’t answer you
You are the satan incarnate
Ujm,
Re part one:
You’re expecting people to learn a lesson, they don’t think and people that don’t think won’t learn a lesson
Are my comments going through on your end? (I could have sworn (if I swear) that I posted on ujm’s lessons learned (I know it might have been inflammatory so just wondering….)
Mazel Tov little froggie!
You should have a lot of nachas from her and all your froggetts
Fine, I’ll post
“WANTED: A sober….. individual
Shoot, I’m out
Beisyosef,
“We find by the avos when they “proposed” they brought huge sums of money as a dowry and additionally showered their kallah with jewelry.“
We only find that Avraham did that for Yitzchak, nowhere does it say that terach did that for Avraham and certainly Yaakov didn’t do it and he still got married
Where’s little froggie’s post? On the main cr site It says she posted but I don’t see it here (as of 9:16 am)
“P.S. To all those commenters who are attacking this avreich for putting his hand on the boy’s shoulder for a few moments (with his consent):
What is your opinion regarding children joining a dancing circle at a wedding or Simchas Torah?
Must all the men immediately leave the circle lest they face arrest?“I wasn’t one of them (I don’t remember) but over there is different because she didn’t know the guy whereas in shul usually the mispallelim know each other
Thank you yungermanS,
I need a little dose of emunah and bitachon every now and then for my sanity
Reb eliezer,
I didn’t know you believe rumors (oh I guess if it’s about trump the rumor MUST be true)
And if true then trump is just checking a box, no different than Biden picking Harris