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“Even if according to them he had not “started a process” they would still say he’s Mashiach!”
That’s true probably but currently that isn’t the reality at this time and they can only be disproven based on what their claim is
Their claim is that there isn’t anyone in recent history that started the process and my claim is why does one have to go to recent history, go back to bar kamtza or chizkiyahu
Philosopher,
All I said was start another thread about your feelings Menachem made a thread about how he feels the mods weren’t doing their jobs properly you could start a thread about how Menachem is being a hypocrite
That’s all
Menachem,
As yussel said it’s from ויחי מט:יב (not a rashi actually) it’s a גמרא in כתובות (קיא:) that says דאמר רבי יוחנן טוב המלבין שינים לחבירו יותר ממשקהו חלב
“Bar Kochba was after the churban, and he waged a war to return Eretz Yisrael to the Jews, which seems to be “part of the process”. What did yoshke – who was in the times of the Beis Hamikdash – do to start the process?
yankel berel writes that yoshke allegedly claimed that he was the messiah. But that doesn’t seem to me as being part of the process. If anyone today would claim to be Mashiach and not do anything other than that, I don’t believe you would say that he had started the process.“
Arso,
My question from bar kochba was according to Lubavitch “starting a process” makes someone a candidate for moshiach if that’s the case bar kochba has as much of a chance as the Rebbe of being moshiach
GH and philosopher (and Yankel)
This discussion should be posted on a different thread if you want not here!
Menachem stated a valid point about how the CR has been run recently and you’re calling out posters
“I have no idea what the Ramban thought or understood. What I do know, however, is that you can’t draw a definite conclusion from his supposed thoughts – as you seem to – that he differentiated between Daniel and any else who had died because Daniel had not started the process.
And by the way, how did yoshke start the process other than by supposedly saying that he was the king of the Jews, if he in fact said it?“
Arso,
You know bar kochba also “started the process”
Menachem,
Yeah I was getting annoyed too at the speed of approvals but I realize nothing and nobody is perfect (myself included) and just accept it
Happy
We see when you posted
Menachem,
I accept your answers to my previous question
Another question
יעקב not dying is considered a נס (especially since someone can’t survive without air)
Hashem only makes a נס if there’s a specific reason for it, Hashem wouldn’t split the yam suf if בני ישראל didn’t have to cross it
What’s the reason for this נס?
Simcha,
Someone in my shul (a rebbe) says the passuk of כלי ועצם ידי isn’t going on war and is going on a persons work in the field
So just like you have הכרת הטוב to the bus driver for getting you somewhere safely even though it really is Hashem, the same thing here
Additionally
Doesn’t it say Hashem doesn’t affix His name to a person while he’s alive? (Hashem said to Moshe “אלקי אביך” and the midrash says that’s how Moshe knew he passed away) yet Hashem says אלקי יעקב
Menachem,
I would like to ask you a question (according to Rashi et al in the plain and pashut sense)
We say תורה צוה לנו משה מורשה קהילת יעקב the word מורשה (according what I heard at least) is that it means inheritance (and because we say קהילת יעקב it’s understood from יעקב) how can an alive person give over an inheritance, inheritance is only done after death?
Echo
You realize you just echoed toi
Too asked in the op
We all know that the rishonim (Aruch, quoted by Tosfos)…….I want to know what the mekor is that eim sisera cried 100 yevavas.
And you said
ספר הערוך
Donald trump is a fighter not a quitter
This only makes him stronger
Joe trolling like only Joe can
Fandango
Are you trolling
If not can you bring a source saying that Biden said to go to Rafah?
I don’t think ujm gets what happy new year is saying
Her מיתה is מתיר
Bring a case not like that
I like happy new year’s answer
Makes a lot of sense
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Do you think Trump will cut off financial support from Iran?
Will this make Hamas weaker due to having less money with which to attack Israel
Do you think if they were weaker they would make a “ceasefire deal” more in line with what Israel wants
What are your opinions on this, then we can go forward with the dialogue
שלוחי מצוות אינן ניזקין
They told them last year and the year before that not to come too, it won’t stop them
“Republicans and their friends emotionally manipulate you“
You mean like by saying “January 6 was the worst attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor”. Especially on the eve of September 11th?
“מקרא אני דורש – it may not be logical, but that’s what the Torah says!“
בדרך דרוש not בדרך פשט
From what I’m understanding is that Lubavitch is saying there is no “second coming” in Lubavitch because the rebbe doesn’t have a דיו מת like Yaakov Avinu whereas yoshke clearly died as agreed upon by the נוצרים
Is this correct Menachem?
I thought Lubavitchers loved all Jews.
They do
Anyone that doesn’t follow the rebbe or hold of him isn’t Jewish in their opinion
“Anyone who knows a bit how to learn a shtikel Gemara would immediately recognize that I was referring to Rashi on Gemara, not on chumash.“
Only a Lubavitcher would say rashi on Chumash is saying something different than Rashi on Gemara
Rashi is one person he doesn’t argue on himself and if you think that then YOU obviously don’t understand something!
I’ve noticed I’m persona non grata among the Lubavitchers here and I’m glad because as other posters have said they’re too far gone
“Calling a tzaddik “lying kofer last-name” sounds less respectful than calling someone by his last name three lines after writing “Rav” about him.“
I’m sorry I took Lostspark’s quote (probably from Wikipedia) and thought he wrote it
“never wrote that Yaakov avenue is G-d litterly. I wrote you should learn the maamer הקבצו תרסח, after learning that and understanding it, you won’t have complaints on the Rebbe and R shlome cunin. They said the same things as the gemarah.
All you guys do is say well the gemarah is obviously not litterly but cunin means literally as if the rebbe runs the world and not hashem ch”v.“Once you got here you can say the same thing about the rebbe being משיח however everyone in chabad will say THAT is literal you can’t pick in choose
Additionally they obviously forgot an explicit משנה in אבות which says
חכמים הזהרו בדבריכם….
I’m sorry, I didn’t read Qwerty’s post fully just the part addressed to me 😂
Qwerty,
Like I said before I am not your enemy ch”v just because we disagree on something (like you being a hypocrite which you ended up agreeing with me on 😜) doesn’t make us enemies
Lostspark and Menachem,
The difference between qwerty and you is that he can give honor to those people he disagrees with as you see he still calls your rebbe Rav (or R) whereas you can’t do that with Rav Shach, as I’ve stated before I’ve seen Lubavitchers (I’ll admit a teenager) stick his middle finger up when Rav Shach’s name was mentioned, additionally you will never find an אבי עזרי within a mile of a chabad house
“How in the world do you know that? He only brought the Gemara to prove to you the same point that you yourself said as well, that just because a holy statement can be interpreted by stupid people as idolatry, that doesn’t make the statement possul!”
עשרה בטבת is a fast day (one of the reasons) because the חכמים had to write the Torah in Greek and they changed it for that exact reason
As QWERTY would say “checkmate”
“Menachem Shmei denies that Lubavitchers think that they are the “Master Race” of Judaism. Let me provide two anecdotes.
Despite these anecdotes, my previous point remains: Lubavitch is a derech, not a race. “
Of course it’s a derech not a race, if it was a race you couldn’t convert people to it
“Qwerty, maybe instead tell us about the son and grandchildren of Rav Shach?“
Rav Shach lamented on it and said because he didn’t sing zmiros on shabbos
He’s not perfect (and he knew it) as opposed to the “משיח”
Qwerty,
You didn’t know Yaakov is “the holy ghost”?
“People wanting to post here should be required to pass a minimum intelligence test.“
😂
Maybe
Let’s give the mods more work to do!
😂
“Pali diaspora HATES Kamala.“
Just ask Omar and tlaib 🙄
You have to be an idiot not to realize that the Arabs love democrats
“But deciding that whatever you open up to is a spiritual instruction is baseless and childish.“
And I know Lubavitcher that do this (because that is what they’re taught)
Menachem,
I would have the same question
Earth to Menachem
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ASKING QUESTIONS ON ANYBODY, even a Gemara, it what you do afterwards with it
But I guess Lubavitch goes after blind faith (sounds like another religion I know of)
Shabbos kodesh (another song, besides Oy yoy yoy shabbos kodesh)
“Makes complete sense…..if you’re a Martian.“
Or as I’ve been saying, a נוצרי
“I know, it’s crazy for students to quote their teacher all the time.
Imagine if someone לא אמר דבר שלא שמע מרבו, such blasphemy.“No it’s crazy to use it as a Chumash as to what the whole comment was about
“Those who refused vaccines are still dying at a higher rate”
I’m sorry but that’s a bunch of bs
The virus has become so much more tamer because of the mutations not because of vaccines