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Sechel83: WOW! Sounds like hate….
Sechel?- Whats the story @Max?
WOW!
Fascinating!
Still it doesn’t mean others didn’t make one in their backyard or other private area.
Obviously we aren’t necessarily talking about homogenous 10 foot outdoor fires in the middle of the street with hundreds of participants…
It probably depended on the city/neighborhood/neighbors, but a modest fire in a private area might totally have been possible.(The 1956 number for Stolin does make more sense than @Motcha’s 1910…..)
Motcha: The Detroiter only came in July 1923.
Motcha: 1910?!!
Does not sound right.
R Yochanan came to America in 1950….Little froggie’s estimate of 40 years makes more sense…
Not sure what all this talk is about…
I think the topic of this thread is about giving support or tips to those who are struggling/giving it all they have to continue their dedication to Torah growth between the walls of the Beis Medrash.
Any good words or eitzos?Agree one hundred percent.
That is the reason many yungerleit choose to push hard to stay in kollel, including the option of out of town kollelim.
(which although puts them far from family and friends, gives them a good couple of years of continued growth, between the walls of the Beis Medrash.)Like I said, sometimes it will be like a chavrusah.
Can get some really great learning done.Out of town kollelim typically do come with an obligation to learn with locals.
Depending on the location of the kollel, the level of the locals will vary.
In some places it will be more of a teaching job.
In others it will be closer to a regular chavrusah. Not bad.Support or a lot of sacrifice.
Or the out of town Kollel route?Should really be a good option for many people like this.
There a multiple Kollelim like this.
A number of Chassidishe as well.They pay well above in-town standards, giving people the option of a longer Kollel years.
Would love to hear from any Kollel hackers out there.
Some real info anyone?You say you have no mesorah….
Five years attainable? Ok. “IF” the wife is able to keep a full time job.
Afterwards?Putting money away at five years in Kollel?!
I do not think that is true.I do think most Kollel yungeleit are living on tight budgets. (Unless they are getting support.)
Would love to hear any Kollel hackers out there
True.
Many times a wifes salary will be enough for a couple of years. (IF she is able/has a good job…)
The question is after a few years. (I think it is less than 5. Unless the wife is working VERY hard.)
Those who wish to continue their Torah growth will quite often be in a challenging situation.
I think this thread is about that point.
That is where many will turn to out of town Kollelim.
Other ideas?Not sure what you guys mean by all these “chovos halvovos and work”-“spend what you need”.
We are talking about people who are looking to learn full time.
Unfortunatly Kollelim in town do not provide enough even for what you “need”….Not sure if this is still relevant.
I have heard of many people in this situation who chose to join out of town kollelim.
Generally these pay significantly more than in town kollelim, giving people the opprotunity to continue their growth in learning.
Not sure why this has not been mentioned yet.Between all these kollelim there must be around 100+ chassidishe yungerleit doing this.
Sounds a little crazy!
Is in town so broke in providing for chassidishe bnei Torah that so many people are doing this?Obviously these kollelim are paying very well that someone looking to continue learning can do so comfortably.
(I heard that the closer ones/ e.g. Baltimore pays in the 1500 range plus covered rent, and the farther ones/chicago in the 2000 range plus rent.
Also from what I heard, in Chicago they help significantly those who choose to buy a house.)The question is that is this really their only option to stay in learning (without their wives working like a chicken without a head.) , or is there some other reason so many chassidishe yungerleit are doing this?
Is this the latest trend by chassidim to go to OOT Kollelim?
(Chicago ×2!! Baltimore LA Toronto Detroit Arizona.)
What the incentive?So finally what are the downsides of living OOT?
Obviously someone looking into Oot is probably not the boxed in type who must be totally surrounded by people who wear the exact same shoelace and even bought it at the same store .
Totally agree with ujm.
In Chicago you have all types of chassidish.
Same in Baltimore/LA.
Mix of Boro park Monsey Williamsburg.(Chabad is totally a brand of its own.)
Someone just opened a chassidishe kollel in Arizona too.
So are we left with Chicago, Baltimore, LA?
Funny that all three have a Chassidishe Kollel!
(Chicago has two!)Gadohadorah: So do you knock of Linden and staten Island?
BTW There is also a small community in Indiana of about a dozen and a half Williamsburg families/anti vax common core. But that probably doesn’t count, as it is totally not an established community. Just living out there between the corn fields with no established mosed or other basic community infrastructure.
Gadolhadorah: Not clear what you define as OOT.
(Whats the difference between Passaic and Baltimore.)Anansahadi: Passaic? Good manners? Great! Chassidim? Really? Do you mean people with just a gartel? Or the type you would meet in BP?
So is this tha final list?
(Staten Island) NY:(
(Linden) NJ:(
Chicago
Baltimore
La
Or are there more?Ujm: I think this discussion is about OOT in the US.
I think another big question is about mosdos chasidishe parents would feel comfortable sending to.
For example in staten Island I think people send into BP.
In Baltimore there is a very small chasidishe mosed.
Bloomingberg is satmar
Union city is zanz.
.In Chicago there’s veitzner cheder which is in Yiddish and people feel comfortable sending to, and girls go to the regular beis Yaakov.Ujm: Yes these are the 3 supermarkets that the entire chicago shops at.
But they are all very well stocked with heimish hasgocho items.3 most popular ones in Chicago are Jewel, Hungarian, and Kol tuv.
(If you want you can also add the kosher section at Marianos.)
Another factor a chosid would consider is access to food items with heimish hashgachos.
(In Chicago for example there are 3 supermarkets that sell everything heimishe hashgochos.)Chicago has about 30+ chassidishe families/2 chassidishe kollelim, Yiddish cheder and a handful of chassidishe Rabbonim.
Upside of living out of town:
Things are generally quieter.
Less of a social pressure cooker ie life isn’t a constant race to wear/say/do the EXACT same thing as everyone else etc etc / much more room for individuality.