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cantoresq, i was about to question shelo shinu… on another facet, and that is if moshe rabbeinu led out klal yisroel because we didnt change our names, why is he called by his egyptian name? it clearly means alot more then we had our own dress and clothing. besides, there are many who actually believe that es malbusham is not in the original text of the rashi! (yes, some were maskilim, but not all.)
as for kotzker, i never knew they also dressed like paupers to be belittled. i thought chassidus was about being happy?
postsemgirl: there is nothing wrong essentially with dressing in style, expensive clothing does not mean in style. it means your spending money. there are many ways to dress stylish while spending minimal bank for your clothing. wearing white tube socks with black dress pant s and shoes, which many boys in yeshivos do, is not befitting a ben torah. wearing pants rubbed at teh seat of the pants till they are almost see through, or wrinkled like it came out of the washing machine is also not befitting a ben torah. that you understand, which is good, but realize, in essence a ben torah is a melech, and should dress more then just having dress socks and pressed pants. he hsould dress dignified, and also walk dignified. slouched shoulders should never bee seen in the streets. hats crooked (if worn) should have their brims down, and they should be their original color (not sun bleached greenish-gray), and be clean, not have dust since last pesach on them.
hillary yimach shemo hugged shua araft yemocah shem. does anyone not remeber this!
havesomeseichel: i agree, jews should not support peta, but not for your reason. well, simply, it was founded in 1980, so i doubt anyone was saving animals from a ww2 train! look up your facts before posting. just a suggestion, not an attack. a quick googling would have given you this info. peta is a sick organization regardless, and completely against halacha and torah.
yoshi, under the hood of your car is tons of stuff manufactured in germany. inside your computer are parts manufactured in germany. inside you watch, your oven, dishwahser, and fridge. yes the built item may be made wherever, but the components are from all over the world. it is impossible to get around.
also, you shoudl know there is a major differance between the international red cross, and american red cross. the american red cross should get major support from jews. they did not give their dues to the international red cross for a long time, as it was refusing to allow entry of magen dovid edom! SUPPORT AMERICAN RED CROSS! they need to see our support! because of them, mda in 2006 was admitted to the society.
yoshi, it is not so simple to downgrade. many computer manufacturers never made drivers for xp, especially on laptops, where all the gadgetry it comes with has very specific drivers. they can be a nightmare once downgraded. unless the computer came with that option originally, i advise against downgrading without help from someone who knows what they are doing. there is no customer service number to downgrade to xp. unless you want to pay microsoft 100 bucks for ap phone call!
as for buying a mac, my feelings about them are negative at best. they are overpriced. there is no software for them, and they are structurely garbage. the engineers are given a back seat to the designers. that would be equivalent of building a building based on the interior designer over what the building engineers and contractors say! for years they knocked the intel chip, yet when they finally realized it was far superior, they adopted it as well. i will give them this, their marketing is impressive, but the machines dont stand up. in benchmark tests, they never beat out pc’s, especially ones built by people, something unable to be done with mac’s. upgrading them is a pain in the neck, if near impossible. for the same inflated price of a mac, you can get a massively fast pc, that will blow the mac out of the water.
cantoesq, you are spot on about slobodka, but novordhok was different. nowadays though, all the novordhok yeshivas dont dress like paupers, as it was done so that they would get mocked. i have looked in may books that show the yeshivas of yesteryear, and all the bochurim are dressed nicely, even though most of them were hungry.
ZachKessin: well, actually the catholics are irish and italian, not many of them left in the city. pocket still in staten island, marine park, and bensonhurst. most other “christian” worshipers are of protestant type faiths. also, the ny archdiocese covers 10 counties, that is 7 more then in nyc, because brooklyn and queens fall under the brooklyn dioceses.
ther are over 170 yeshivas alone in brooklyn! lets say each has 750 students, taht would give us 127,500 students in brooklyn alone, almost all living within 2-3 school districts, while the diocese of brooklyn and queens only has 56,000 kids, living all over the place. for instance, i have met kids living in canarsie who went to Xavier High School in bensonhurst. we migh have a yeshiva in bensonhurts, but the kids will all come from midwood, borough park, mill basin, marine park, and kensington. and btw, that number is heavily low balled. most yeshivas have over a thousand kids. now you see why the catholics cant do this. schools are not like the other charities the diocese runs. their nursing homes and such, these would have been a hardship on the city. if they shut their schools, it will add around 30 kids at most to a public school, as kids dont come from centralized locations. if 127,500+ kids needed to go into 15 neighborhood schools, and i dont think there are that many in our neighborhoods, we are talking 8500 kids per school. exactly how will they do that? they cant, and wont!
as far as the legality, im not sure people here know this, but the city does have a voucher plan already, for low income families in grades k-4. it is working very well. so there is clearly no problem.
zach, this is the only way to force the state to pass vouchers.
illini07, no one ever said that is why he should be president. it does, though, tell us of his character. that is very important in a president. as for palin, she is still more qualified then obama, and she isnt the presidential nominee. obama is.
funny thing about statistics, its all how you make them sound.
the one being knocked around today is that their is a 40% chance mccain wont make it. ok, lets take a look.
43 presidents. 8 died. ok, to me i cant see how its 40% percent. that makes it 20 percent. now they use charts to figure out the rest of the 40%, past smoking habits, previous melanoma. fine. all good. except:
the original 20% isnt accurate at all! here is why, and i see no-one talking about this. this is why i hate statistical proofs, they are nonsense in teh wrong hands.
8 dead presidents. no say as to how.
4 were killed (lincoln 56, garfield 49, mckinley 58 kennedy 46), making obama the biger risk i would think. nothing to do with age, but by being a political or racial target, and he is clearly a bigger one. the 4 assisinated were, by the way, were of the younger of the 8.
now we put that original number to 10%.
out of the the 4 remaining ones lets take the 2 that died before 1850 (harrison 68, taylor 65), 56 & 47 years before the invention of anti-biotics and modern medicine as we know it. pneumonia and gastroenteritis are both now curable.
now we put teh number down to 5%.
one more: heart attack (harding). ok, ill give you that.
last: cerebral hemorrhage which has nothing to do with age, but ill give that one too.
so we are at 5% chance, plus the 20% possible points. i will argue agains ttaht also, that his mothers long healthy life was not taken into account, the fact that he is fit as an ox , as well is not taken into account. the tables drawn up by so called actuaries, have not seen his medical reports, and are talking out of their tachtonim. i will be fari and take of 5 points for partisan politics. so we are left with 20% chance. now you want me to believe that 10 minutes after taking oath, mccain will die?
doubtful. she will get more experiance as vp, flying around the world meeting people. executive skills she has aplenty.
now obama has no executive skils, nor really any legislative, since he has not written one piece of important legislation, not in illinois, nor the us senate. and he has to take the oath on day one. as hillary said, the presidency doesnt lend itself to on the job training.
(about the 57 states and 3 more he was going to, ill chalk it up to tiredness).
im assuming you mean france, england, spain, egypt, and italy.
so no more french wine, english tea or shirts, spanish coats, egyptian cotton bedsheets, and italian clothing.
if you mean germany, well, they are just another of the long list.
here is why you would buy german cars in particular.
german cars use a special alloy in their craftsmanship. it is used for lightness, while being strong. it has in it potassium. the largest reservoir of natural potassium is the dead sea. many people think the reason bmw, mercedes, and audi are big in israel is because of reperations. it has a little to do with it, but not much. the truth is , israel has a deal, importation of the cars at cheap rates, for rights to the potassium. you can see these plants all along the dead sea.
not to mention, they are extremely safe. now if only i could afford one…..
(also, what better way to stick it to the germans, then to take their cars, and drive to shul, shiurim, bikor cholim in them)
illini07: for starters, name me one constitutional lawyer or historian that says we have a freedom from religion. second, the bill of rights ends at 10. was just stating that nowhere in the “bill of rights” do states not have the right to have religions. thats all.
i can only try: i agree with illini07 on this freedom from religion, as you said, when enforced is communism. never heard it better!
here is a list of official religions as colonies and when they disestablished ( youll notice some were after the war!:
* The colonies of Plymouth, Massachusetts Bay, New Haven, and New Hampshire were founded by Puritan, Calvinist, Protestants.
* New Netherland was founded by Dutch Reformed Calvinists.
* The colonies of New York, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia were officially Anglican.
Connecticut Congregational 1818
Georgia Church of England 1789
Maryland Church of England 1776
Massachusetts Congregational 1780
New Hampshire Congregational 1790
North Carolina Church of England 1776
South Carolina Church of England 1790
West Florida Church of England
East Florida Church of England
Virginia Church of England 1786
New York
* plagiarized from wikipedia
now the disestablishment of the states from their official churches were under states rights, and had nothing whatsoever to do with becoming a state ( like utah having to give up polygamy.)
as for centrists voting to not have all 3 in one party, it was like that in the 90’s 70’s and 60’s. under bush, in early 2006 all 3 were republican. it happens sometimes, but i doubt anyone votes to make sure it doesnt. besides, 3 under republicans is fine, since republicans always have spineless garbage in their ranks who dont hold to conservative ideals. if reagans appointments to the supreme court were to be held true, conservatism would have a stronghold over their decisions, but they dont.
i can only try: you a fellow techie? if yes, what type, network engineer, system analys, databases, programing, etc? maybe ywn can setup a specific place where we can help people.
tzippoi, you have a point, but only those instituions that have very socialist ideals, which is actually what the framers were afraid of, religiona dn socialistic government working hand in hand.
i can only try: though you have the prime ingredients down, you do have one very very large mistakle. freedom of religion isnt technically the truth, its freedom to practice your religion with no intefernce from the government. not freedom from religion, like the left would like many to believe. and again, the religion aspect is only on technically for the federal govenrment, according to the framers. the terms in the constituion are clear on that. that the centralized government was not to have a relion officially tied to it.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”. meaning, congress, not state legislatures. the tenth amendment agrees, by stating “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people” as such, since the other amenments are for the people, the first was about congress (in regard to religion) and so it doesnt apply at the state level.
states atthe time did in fact have official religions, just like they do today in official animals, tress, fruits,etc. all 13 colonies and territories would later get rid of them for other reasons.
i would also hope you believe in the framers foresight when it comes to the right to bear arms. (2nd amendment). now that the supreme court has put the liberal mantra of it not being a personal right to sleep, i hope you also agree taht excessive infringement with high license fees and impossible rules to gun ownership in places like nyc have to be revoked to to it being an “infridgement”.
charlie brown: thanks for the compliment. hope i can help.
i will dissect your paragraph, as that would be the easiest way to not lose you in techno babble.
“Every once in a while I lose internet connectivity completely.”
this can be caused by many factors:
1. most common, connectivity problems, these range from your isp to youre router. now i doubt it is optimum online. though it is possible. if you do not have tv or phone service from cablevision, then it is possible after a rain storm for water to get into these stupid clip things cablvision uses on the outside wires from stopping you from getting any tv reception. in a way they are filters. very unlikely, but i have seen this problem before, including in my old apartment.
i would first check these though, as dealing with cablevision is a pain. are you connecting your computer straight to the cable modem (hope not, as this is incrediably unsafe.) hopefully you have a router. unplug the router, and plug it back in. if the connection comes back, youre router is shot. replace
if that doesnt work, i would replace the cable modem. its free. if you live in flatbush, the place to go is on ave k and 49th, off kings hiway. call cablevision, theyll give you the exact adress. if youre modem is a rectangle, then those have been known to be faulty. you want the rounder ones that stand up, not the one that lays flat.
if that doesnt work, have a technician come down and look.
when you restart youre computer you might be pulling a new address from your router, which will make your connection work again.
” IE will say the page is unavailable no matter what website I try and my email (Eudora) also can’t connect. I don’t know if the problem is with windows (vista), my ISP (optonline) or perhaps my free antivirus software (avast home edition), or maybe something else that I didn’t think of.”
besidse the directions above for connectivity issues, there can be a local problem, a viruz/spyware/adware. download spybot search and destroy (google it) and run it. you will need to update it after the install. it is free, and once you have it installed start a search, if it finds anything, have it remove them.
then if you still have the problems, do the steps above.
“The windows don’t freeze so I assume its not a RAM issue but I don’t know how to figure out what it is.”
more or less irrelavent to connectivity issues. the only time hardware internally will effect your connectivity will be if you mother board is going, so look at my previous answer to see how to tell.
“The windows don’t freeze so I assume its not a RAM issue but I don’t know how to figure out what it is.”
aas i said before, this can be because your computer is pulling a new address when it reboots. you can check if this is the case the next time you discconnect. open a command prompt, google command prompt vista if you cant figure out how, and type in onfig. if you get 127.0.0.1 you are not getting a true adress.
hope this helped.
havesomeseichel: sorry, sometimes us geeks dont realize how much techie-speak we say.
her it goes….
a)How can you check your space available?
answer: space is irrelavent to this. what you need to do is check the amount of ram (memory) you have. it is usually in increments of 256 up to 1 GB, the will move in 1GB amounts there after. (this general rule is only for manufacturer computers, not white boxes, which on built by either yourself, or mom and pop shops in your local neighberhood computer store.) the amount can be a bit off, as differant mother boards read memory amounts differnt.
here is step by step directions to get the amount of memory you have in vista.
1. Open up task manager and to to the performance tab.
2. You will see three boxes of information, each called Physical Memory, Kernel Memory and System
3. To check the amount of RAM you have, look under Physical memory where it says Total. That is how much actual RAM you have.
4. To check your virtual memory, look at the bottom of the system box to where it says Page File, that is how much virtual memory you have used out of your total virtual memory.
if it is not over 2 gb on vista, machine will crawl, especially if you have aero turned on. (aero is the stupid interface for toggling screens in some versions of vista.)
b)whats a capacitor and yeah, what do I do with it?
answer: ills tart backwards, you dont do anything with them. the mother board does :). when you open the side pane of your computer, youll see them all over a big zquare board, your mother board. if you see what looks like rust above them, or see any that are not flat on top, then the mother board is dying. replace immediately!
c) what are optimizers?
answers: great question!
they are programs that promise to do all sorts of stuff, like supercharge youre memory, and speed up your computer by ???%. the fact is, unless the program you know for a fact is good, if you say saw it in a pc magazine (pc magazine, pc world, mac world, etc) or a tech gave it to you, do not download free software ever. whether its a optimizer, anti virus, or even as lame as a background or screen saver. screen savers taht are free are notorious to have imbedded viruses and adware/spyware.
hope this helps you
give me a break: i like the fact you arent getting personal. what i meant was marriage act under bush, where the penalty was made into a break under the newest irs tax codes. (not sure if it was an actual break, but it definitely gave us more money back then before.)
out of curiosity, can someone explain biden’s middle name, sounds feminine. i am not knocking him, just curious if that was a common name back in the day? or is it like heath in sarah’s name, his moms lat name?
Sarah, thats your problem, and like me, you dont understand how to take your religion out of your ethical code, while liberals dont understand how religion and ethics can be one and the same. again not knocking, just that is usually how it is, especially with the hard left.
noitallmr, anything above 30-40 bucks will technically give off the same sound, since after that it really depends on the audio card. as the audio card is part of the system board of the ipod, it is not swappable, like in a pc. any typical stereo speakers will do. the only time it can get better, is if the speakers have software built in to enhance the sound, like bose and other very high end speakers tend to have.
give me a break: spend so much? the question should be why he spent so much on the ipod to begin with, when there is better and cheaper mp3/4 players out there that dont come with itunes’ locking of all the songs, and messing with the formats. but hey, to each their own!
illini07, no your inference is incorrect. ionorder to see where someone stands can only be seen when votes mean something. voting that israel should get weopons america must give them under treaty is not anything great. usually there are stipulations, arms going to egypt saudia arabia, etc. he voted for bills like this. nothing aabout the separation of jerusalem, the right for israel to defend itself. he is a coward at best, and now after the report today of what he did in iraq, possibly an arrestable under the logan act. if bush had any cahoones, he would have the secret service arrest obama, and be done with this whole thing.
as for whther the vote came up, of course not, it was voted into law years ago, but he has stated that jerusalem will have to be divided ( of course one day after saying it shouldnt.)
as or what do i care if they get health insurance, and the like. easy, they ( the same sex community) have a much higher percentage of venereal diseases. using statistics, insurance companies will increase their purchase price, causing medical benefits to decrease, as employers wont be able to meet these costs. also, if they get the same rights, then what is to say that in 20 years from now we should give rights to a person and their pet, after all, who are we to say what is normal. remember 40 years ago, being gay was a mental disorder, just like zoophilia is today. in the political world it is called a slippery slope.
joseph, here we finally agree 🙂
illini07, obama has zero record on israel. none, nada. he voted present a few times. the only things pro israel he voted for, he was not taking a gamble at all. it was votes that went through by super majorities. he has never voted for moving the embassy.
charlihall: you are right that he is opposed to marriage, but he is for civil unions. he is also for them to adopt, and he wants the dont ask dont tell policy rescinded. he is rated by the hrc, which is the organization for same sex issues, and they rated him a 89 out of 100.
Give Me a Break: who said that you cannot use religion when making a choice for a person running. you can usxe any litmus test you choose as a free thinking person in america. whether the rules of church and state exist in the way most people think is another issue, but it definitely does not apply to stopping a person from making a choice. morally it is no problem, as non jews make these decisions as well, whether it was kennedy telling people his catholicism wouldnt mean much as president, or that mitt romney was attacked as a mormon by some evangelicals. jews are by far not the only ones who use religion and support for other countries as a litmus test for nominees.
besides that, there are other things as well, nothing to do with religion, that jews, especiallly orthodox ones, tend to associate themselves nationally with republicans (not to mixc up locally supporting democrats). things like vouchers, lower taxes, marriage and children tax deductions, and more all appeal to orthodox jews as well. yes israel is a big one, but there are others as well.
zeitbesimcha – try politics, always interesting, and you are doing for the public. city council members all throughout the city are being replaced next year, and there are going to be tons of politicking to do. the first few jobs may be with no or little pay, but get another job meanwhile, as these jobs tend to have weird hours anyway. before you know it, you be a full time staffer, and eventually maybe run a campaign or run yourself.
Give Me a Break: simple one word answer – – – – democracy.
you can vote for any reason you want, hey all the libs are voting for “change”. they have no clue what that means, nor what he will change, but obama makes them feel good.
another point, what is good for israel, in definition is good for america. both are dependent on each other. there are times that america thinks that what israel did will harm america ( asirak nuclear generator) but in the long run, it was good for america.
it is not only jews who vote based on a stand for israel, many evangelicals believe stronger tehn jews for the state of israel.
also it is a very few that vote republican, which would be the party that stands up for israel most commonly. so technically most jews dont vote iwth the israel line.
chuck schwab: finding heterim is in no way pick and chose judaism, no differant then you going and finding every machmir. pick and chose would be going to differant rabbis to get differant psakim. as long as one rabbi is the one you ask you are absolutely fine. this is actual halacha, not made up stuff like looking in meforshim and seeing what is assur, and paskening that way. an am haaretz can pasken everything is chamur. it takes a rabbi of ggod character and knowledge to be a meikel.
000646 and charliehall, welcome to the discussion. finally some people with some seichel in here.
charliehall, mccain doesnt need to have papers telling us what his stand onm israel is, he has a RECORD. he is extremely pro-israel. obama is not. he has every arabist in america advising him on the middle east, including george clooney!
chuck schwab, the fight ws with 3 peaple, all who have no clue what they are talking about. they keep saying the exact same thing over and over, so i will too. as for fighting with everyone, these people are fighting with probably a majority of ehrliche yiden. i am trying to be their spokesperson. my wife dresses extremely tzniusdik, but i do see that there are other rabbonim besidse my own who may hold very differently.
i never said tznius is outdated. chas vesholom. itsoutdated like shabbos is outdated, and like kashrus is outdated.
what i did say is, that what tznius means changes. it is well known that when the torah gives vague halachos the reason is that the rabbonim of that time are supposed to figure out what works for their generation. gedarim are set up to protect those mitzvos. nowhere in halacha does it say that elbows must be covered. the bone of the upper arm (forearm) and upper leg (thigh) must be covered. now there is a MACHLOKES wheter this includes the knee and elbow, due to the ball and socet configuration of the bones. this is a fact that is disputable. there is a machlokes, and a rov for his followers may choose which way he wants to lead them.
as far as colors and tightness, too tight is a problem according to all. but here in lies the problem, what is too tight. everyone will have a differant opinion. where you might think its no longer too tight, and is now permissible, a jew in bnei brak might disagree. what the jew in bnei brak thinks is permissible, a 7th generation yerushalmi might think is not tznius.
this again is fact. not fiction like others here may want to believe. just because i wont tow the line that all that are differant are poshei yisroel begufun is stupidity in its utmost degree.
when did judaism becaome about stifling discussion, and shoving ideas down others throats. as long as the person wearing clothing is being given hadrocha by a rov, he is in no differatn shape to the rebono shel olam as you or anyone else. the rotzon hashem is to better oneself, and not to copy others. the rotzon hashem is to get a rov, and have him help you better yourself, not look at yenim and copy what he does, because that just leads to mirroring, and you are the same person inside.
if you disagree with that, then im sorry, but you are the one who is so far out of bounds with judaism, religious or not, and you should take your comments elsewhere. i for one and staying right here, and will comntinue until someone here gets the point that there are rabbonim out there that are just as qualified as theirs who hold things differently. if just one gets the point, ill be happy.
stamfordhill “To day is all goishe music shmuzik becous the words what thay put in the songs is veriy dirty and we just take hileger words and we put it on the goishe songs”
sorry to tell you, but peasant songs were more commonly known as drinking songs, as they were sung when the peasants were smashed off their mind, doing all sorts of pritzusdikka things with women not their wives. so tell me again, how music today is so differant then 300 years agao, when the “heiligeh” rebbes made goyish songs “heilig” from the “holy of holies”? that is utter nonsense. any song taken from goyim, and made jewish is in fact, and is in reality jewish. you may no like it, but three hundred yearts ago, there were old folks like you and feiun, and others who didnt “get” waltz music, and thought it was loud and obnoxious compared to the chanting music of the church that came before it.
if you dont like the music, turn it off. you will never ever find a posek that people actually hold by in the masses, that will asser such a thing as this clown luft wants to do. he is a rosha, and i hope the rabbonim dont get taken for a ride like they did the lipa ban again. if they do, all credibility with the young generation may be lost forever, both here and in eretz yisroel.
joseph, you are right, nothing is wrong with our religion, just you! you do not in any way shape matter or form represent anything given to moshe rabeinu at har sinai.
chachom, i know it is hard to follow, because you probably went to the same yeshiva as joseph, where reading comprehension is not taught.
joseph, you wanted to know where i got that women throughout th egaes worked outside their home. its a gemora, probably one you never learned, as it isnt in the first 10 blat of any given mesechta most yeshivas learn.
Kesubbos daf 59b is a start. as well as more recently maaseh ish which is on the words and teaching of the chazon ish. in volume one on page 16. go look it up.
but of course you wont, because you like to keep your head in the sand, band everything, and look the other way as judaism goes to heck in a hand-basket. as long as you have your talibanic views put on others, you are fine.
you are what is wrong with our religion. you and this clown luft ( the ban guy who wants to ban all music that bends sound, which would be all music in the world, so no more davening with a nusach, because sound by definition is bent air waves) deserve each other. go move your families onto an island, and leave our religion alone.
give me a break, oprah for one only had obama on her show. also, im sure if obama wanted to pay money to put a ad on this site, they would take it. the democrats, and obama specifically, have an abysmal record with things important to orthodox jews. taxes, schooling, security, israel, all things the left has gotten wrong since ww1. fdr was had ww2 forced down his throat. jfk was a lightwieght according to the russians, leading to the bay of pigs. carter, well he was pathetic all around, and clinton: 9-11!
joseph, you wanted an example of how our hanhaga has changed. geirus. geirim no longer brake off all ties with their old family.
jewess, charlie brown, and illini07:
i explained this ina previous discussion. the reason that these abbreviations are used go back to early internet, which was really message boards with links. it was filled with nerds, and they found it “cool” to use certain slangisms, so to speak. more common were abbreviations, like lol, btw, brb, gr8, etc. there are others, like w00t that are more geek-like.
when messaging became big, early -mid 90’s aim/ms messenger, replying had to be done in a fast pace, like in a conversation, which lended itself to steal these abbreviations. when texting took off, about same time, little later, late 90’s, besides wanting it to go faster, to mimic conversation, there was another aspect, the number of spaces allowed in a sms text message. 160 characters is the maximum, so abbreviating and not using apostrophes became a necessity.
Itzik_s: correction, paid for by teh people of the state he lives in. and you fogot to mention the perks, dorm and meals are included in tuition!
i agree.
btw, in the sentence you are talking about spelling incorrectly, continue is spelled with an i. if done on purpose, hilarious!
spelling and grammar usage, i have always said do not need to be followed strictly on message boards. but reading comprehension skills do need to be used. there are many posters here that truly lack this skill, and argue points completely on the basis on not understanding and taking information out of a paragraph.
the skill of reading comprehension is need in everything that is written, including advertisements. a message board, whether with misspelled words or incorrect sentence structure still gets the point across, but if you cant comprehend the point, then being on here is useless.
eph, maybe you are a little forgetful but this is you qouting another post
“Let me repeat something another poster once posted on these boards:
“they are simply like stalks of wheat in the field of Golus, under the influence of whatever current goyish wind is blowing.
they are hardly to be blamed, they were never taught what Yiddishkeit means. They were born in an era of the greatest darkness in the history of the world, but think they walk in light.
they fulfill the Pasuk of “Hoster Hester”. not only is His face hidden, but they dont even know that it is hidden.”
as for my run on sentences, and spelling, i could care less. this is a message board, not an english literature paper. though even on a message board, reading comprehension is needed.
as to pashuteh yid, joseph needs to see that tehre are people that are not going to take his ramrodding of his form of judaism down other peoples throats any longer. he never has answers for anything. he qoutes one source, then wants to make believe that all seforim agreed.
illini07: you said “While I think the advertisement is baloney, misguided, and irresponsible, it is a paid advertisement, and it says as much on the banner. I wouldn’t hold it against YW… “
now lets dissect this.
the ad asks, “concerned about barack obama?” nothing baloney here,
next, the answer. ” you should be”. sorry that this bothers you. its a partisan ad, so they are pushing partisan questions. it is not misguided anymore then asking if you are worried about mccain.
next, “history has shown that a naive and weak foreign policy has resulted in tragic outcomes for the jewish people….” this is a very true statement, regardless of you being a democrat or republican. foreign policy, when weak, is not good for jews in israel. now does this apply to obama. lets see. this is a man who thinks iran is not a threat, and wants to invade pakistan, an ally of the US. hes at best knowledgeable in world affairs, at worst, he is a complete idiot, who is in way over his head. either way, his foreign policy skills are pathetic. do you know that one of his official middle east advisers is an actor by the name of Geirge Clooney. now for those who dont know who he is, he is a really good actor. very famous. and very anti israel. he is what is called an arabist, similar to the ones who staff the middle east desks at the state dept. he believes the entire isarel should be an arab state. this is barack millhouse obamas middle east adviser. and you say this is shenanigans. well i say shenanigans on you!
jospeh, i just proved my opint, you have the language skils of a 3rd grader.
“they are simply like stalks of wheat in the field of Golus, under the influence of whatever current goyish wind is blowing.
they are hardly to be blamed, they were never taught what Yiddishkeit means. They were born in an era of the greatest darkness in the history of the world, but think they walk in light.
they fulfill the Pasuk of “Hoster Hester”. not only is His face hidden, but they dont even know that it is hidden.
is what i was refering to as artsy, not the shulchan oroch you bafoon.
and nowhere does teh shulchan oruch, the rambam or any other say taht a women cannot go out every day, all day if she so chooses. they are talking about how a women is to be treated, how she is to be royal. if she chooses to go out, then that his her choice, you backwards, self centered caveman. hows that for name calling. it seems that is the only arguin you understand, as you keep calling me liberal, which i dont see at all. so now i call you a caveman. i have come down to your level, so maybe now you will understand my point.
here it goes again for you, since you are having such a hard time understand:
teh wording is kol kevodah- bas melech penima. teh word used is kevoda, her koved, or kovod to her, depending on how you want to learn it. either way, it is not a kovod that a women has to be makpid on. when discussing what is considered bas melech penima, it is stating that her kovod is that of a daughter of a king who stays home. nowathis is a fact. as this is used to the point that a women does not have to go to a bais din in certain cases f called, yet she can chose to go if she wants. meaning, this rule is for her choice. nowadays most women, choose, or are forced due to financial reasons, to go out. to say that a women then is not a bas melech is ridiculous, it means in our generation, teh bas melech penima comes to mean other things, still within the translation of those words. this is nothing new. all over the gemora this is used. that words take on differant meanings as the world progresses. again this, can only be done as long as what is happening is still in line with halacha. kol kevodah bas melech penima is not a mitzva aseh, it is a honhoga tovah. it is not part of any version of the 613 mitzvos, not the rambam and/or the sefer hamitzvos, etc.
as for the chofetz chaim, he yarshened money from his weatlhy aunt, and bought a store. in no story on the internet does it say anywhere it wasin his house. you decided it was because it fits with your version of judaism, but the reality is this is not so.
it is well known that his home was tiny, 2 rooms. one for sleeping, the other for everything else. he had no posseisions, sae some chairs and tables.
nowhere in any story of people meeting with the chofeetz chaim, does it say he rana grocery from his shouse. its nonsense. he bought a store with the money his aunt yarshened him, and was too succeful , to the point he closed for most of the day, for he felt other stores were getting hurt. his rebbetzin did most of the work, doing the stocking and bookkeeping. so not only did she work, but she was an accountant to boot.
the chofetzs chaim was a fierce proponent of women’s studies. he invented bais yaakov. people thought he was out of his mind, him and the gerrer rebbe. he had alot of big gedolim against him, yet he pushed on, and they mostly all came around when they heard him out. his idea was exactly what i said, that norms change, but as long as they fit into halacha, it is fine.
i am not saying that women should go around dressed untzniusly. i am saying that what the perosn who posted the original post is very wrong in assuming that her level tznius is a black and white halacha. tznius is a ver gray thing. yes, tehre are parts that are black and white, which would be everything above elbow and knee, but the actual knee and elbow is a gray area. open toe shoes are a very gray area, tights are extremely gray area.
to say that there is only one way with tznius is am haaratzus, and may border on kfira, as you are saying that zeh vezeh “lo” divrei elokim chayim.
as for gavra at work, joseph never asks his LOR, he just assumes things, and we all know the saying when you ass, you make an ……..
joseph, you really need to learn reading comprehension. seriously.
you are implying that i think that the torah is outdated. never said anything of the sort. what i did say, which is true, is that what is considered regal has changed. the pasuk says a women should be reagl, not that a women should be in a house. if that is what god wanted, he would have said so. he didnt, he left it ambiguous for a reason, because ambiguous leaves open for change. in the times fo the gemora and even the rambam, and i would say even rav moshe, women stayed home, even goyim. but today they dont. even royal family women go out and work, albeit its usually charity work, but work in of itself. and taht the chofetz chaims wife worked in a store in their house, says who. from all storeis i heard, that is not true. the store was in the judengraiz, which was the jewish main street. like our ave j. yerushalyim was filled with men an women in the market place. ill prove it froma gemora, the one that talks about pulling the hair covering of a women in the marketplace, if you are chayiv to pay for boosha. if women halachically have to be home, then what were they doing in the markket place to begin with.
and btw, im a registered conservative, and no amount of american liberalism, aka progressivism, aka socialism, aka nazism, aka obamaism, is anywhere in my life. i am a nra member, and believe in reality. you dont, and that is your choice. fine. but dont take us all down with you!
that post that you qouted, although very artsy, but is irrelavent. teh times changing, and certain mannerisms changing, as long as they still fall in line with halacha, and not what you consider to be halacha, but is really just chumros or gedarim, is fine.
joseph,. you need to stop drinking whatever it is you drink. the pasuk says women are like royalty. teh gemnora asks what does that mean, the gemora answers, that they stay in the home. royalty stays home, they have servants do their bidding. a husband back then, was to treat his wife accordingly, and provide for her. nowadays that is not possible in most homes, as the market has fluctuated to the point that 2 incomes are needed to stay afloat, as in a market like ours, based on free market science, supply and demand would demand that a household income from the 1920’s with inflation, will be devided now, yes, post feminist society, between man and his wife. because of this FACT, the idea of treating your wife as royalty HAS to change, otherwise you must say the torah is wrong. i will not say that, so i choose to say that teh rabbonim never meant for this to be a set in stone definition of what royalty is. today, it must have a differant meaning, as royalty and its definitions change.
now of course since today royalty is garbage, you have to go to the highest common denominator. tha between other halachos that we have set in stone, as in what bones to cover, etc, and the social norms. this is not reform or conservative, but what the orthodox believed up until recently. using insults to argue against my points is childish, and shows how wrong you are. i am in no way sayig that short sleeve shirts, and go-go skirts are muttar. that would be against halacha.
and ny the way, technically you are the one saying that teh deifinaition of tznius changes, as you and your chevra feel open toes shoes are assur, yet, women wore sandals anb went barefoot up until way after the churban bayis sheini. they also didnt wear sheitels. they wore coverings more like burqas. so everyone allows change it seems, except when the change isnt to YOUR liking. well sorry, judaism isnt a monopoly. it has a basic set of laws, and then minhagim that must fit into those laws. and has barriers setup by rabbonim, for their communities to make sure daily activities dont in any way minimize the basic rules. hence, in yekke communities, rav hirsch got rid of all traces of kabbala from davening due to shabbsai tzvi. the satmar shave womens hear off completely for mikvah and other reasons. sfardish chachamim were always makpid to pass over taharas hamishpacha and kibud harav to their misspallilim, so that when the time came, and they were able to again strengthen their kehillos, the families would be pure, and they would have the respect needed to make changes, as they are doing today. probelm is, here in american ashkenazick communities, they are predominately chassidic in nature, as the litvish communities were all but wiped out. (this is fact,, as most real genuine litvaks came before the war, including the families of most of the litvish gedolim today). chassidic communities are controlled heavily by rebbes, and the mentatilty of my way or the highway has taken effect throughout teh communities, irregardless of the fact that it is keneged all that judaism is. judaism is the sole religion that has no one right way to behave, save for the basics.
{brought to you by a orthodox jew who hasnt gotten drunk on the kool aid}
i can only try, and as i said in a previous post, there is nothing truly wron with hell. it is not a curse against god. it may not be good speech, but then again, neither is saying the word bad, or dumb, or stupid.
give me a break: you nuts. youre a typical lib who wants to squash liberties here in america. that is unless its the freedom to speak liberal ideas. that fact you are a liberal, is MY point. you are ashamed your party has been taken over by self righteous, self aggrandizing ( you see his acceptance speech, so much for global warming, he let off tons of carbon monoxide with those fire works) political hack socialists, that anyone saying it is considered, eeek, dare i say, a racist.
to ywn editors, as a conservative member of the group who paid for that advertisement, please leave the ad up. i ask every sane person to please click on that ad, and donate generously to the organization. it is the only conservative (political) jewish group, and it is recognized as such in the GOP.
and by the way, before you call me a racist for agreeing with the ad, the ad says nothing untrue, just look at carter. dumb peanut farmer. at least he ran a company, obama ran, NOTHING. he was a community organizer, which, btw for all that dont know, is something created by the infamous saul alinsky. read up on him, mr give me a break. see what you messiah is all about. read all about his communist grandparents who raised him, his communist father who abandoned him, his terrorist friends who launched his career, i dare you to explain all that to the SANE readers of this website!
justsomeguy: dont laugh, in eretz yisroel, and some chassideshe places here in america, women who sit up front or in teh back that have cros chest belts will put that behind them, which is beyond dangerous. the belt is manufactured in a way so that it is only going to work if both lap adnd chest belts are secure. venishmartem meod lenofshoseichem is completely lost on these people.
zalman, its clear and befeirish chofetz chaim, if it is public and necessary it is not loshen hora. all the person asked was what the deal was that they are each backing someone else for his job, and that hikind is not backing felder, his previous heir apparent. there is nothing wrong with taht at all. they are public figures, asking the community to trust them. there is absolutely no halachic problem, as long as names, and personal attacks dont come into the mix.
Daniel_Breslauer: youre proof that a single girl must keep her hair short is: “Go ask some Beis Yaakov girls anywhere around the chareidi areas of Jerusalem on how to keep your hair: they’ll tell you.”
wow! that is your version of halacha?
ask a girl! that is teh most absird, most idiotic thing i have ever read on this site. there is NO HALCHIC BASIS for having short hair. maybe some rabbonim, and that is some, feel it should be that way, but not all. and if it anything, it would be a midah tovah at most, nowhere near halachic mandate. just as satmars shaving a married womens hair is not halacha. fo whatever you think is the norm, and what is considered halacha, there will be some group who thinks you are wrong, and even stricter things are halach, and you are all wrong. halacha is decided al pi gemora, whic we no longer really do, so we have to pasken from achronim. and noone says a girls hair has to be short.
as for staying in the house, this no longer applies, as society has changed. that was never said in halchic terms, it was explaining a pasuk. how is a women regal, by staying home, because regal women stayed home. even then, women worked fields. it is very well known that even in the time of the gemoro women worked. just not like now, usually in family owned businesses. many tannaim and amoroims wives worked. the gemora is filled with stories, including reb akivas wife. nowadays, very few women stay home, and society actually frowns upon it in a way. you people are taking a gemora that explains how to be mekayim the posuk, and using it for a society 2 thousand years after. that is sheer stupidity. yes, its technically still applicable, but to say its halchic is nonsense.
Itzik_s: dont forget the thousands of euthanized dogs and cats.
actually, people this is not loshen hora, as both people are public figures, and technically it is nogeyah, as elections for these people is this tuesday. so joseph and zalmen, the pre1a chants will have to wait for other posts.
postsemgirl, calm down, heck is not a bad word. in truth, neither is hell. its a place. technically it does not even fit into words aht are considered curses al pi halacha. the ones that are are ones that are cursing hashem, as in damn, since its really saying damn god, or sh.., which is god is taking a “stool” on me in this situation, etc. you get my point. the word hell, it may not be nice, and some may find it brash, but in essence, its actually fine. but the word heck, that is definitely fine. (moderator, the words used were for learning purposes, and as such should stay).
as for zalman, take your analogy, and put books in it, as all forms of assurey einayim are made into book form, so i guess learning from a book (sefer) would not be permissible. its actually a perfect analogy, as the internet has both, and books have both. thanks zalamn, i no longer have to learn, since you have paskened for all that learning from a sefer is assur.
btw, zalmen, im assuming that one of those friends in your story is actually you, as you are on the internet yourself!
illini07: thanks for the backup, but she is post sem, so she is post brainwashed! its really not her fault.
rabbiofberlin: feel free, when responding, to respond to the smacl at YU!
just an addition to the seperation of state and church thing.
nowhere is that law found, it is found in documents, but nowhere in actual law until 1947.
it comes from the words of a supposed letter written by thomas jefferson, who was talking about the federal government adopting a religion, like england had. at that time every colony actually had an official religion, some had multiple. this continued for a while when they became states. jefferson, himself a deist, believed in god wholly, and wrote of creating a wall sperating church and state. hear that, creating a wall, which means that church and state do mix, yet there must be protections put in place so that one does not take over the other in any direction, religion to control govt, or govt to control religion.
in no way are vouchers unconstitutional. its has been tried, and tested, and withstood appeal.
VOUCHERS NOW!!
T.Black, would you say that if a black hatter was in a non black hat shul he should take his hat off, and put on a sroogie, or if he is at a syrian minyan, he should take his hat off and put on a big velvet yarlmuka or on of those satin ones? if you answer no, you are a hypocrite, and i do wear a hat, so dont people go and say i have an inferiority complex.
“must respect the rules of a shul”. what shul has rules regarding hats and shaitels? if you went to a simcha in one of the frummer black hat sfard shuls, would yor wife wear a tichel, since they dont wear sheitels in accordance with rav ovadya yosef? doubtful, so go drink your kool-aid, and leave everyone alone.
“and communities you belong to”. what communities? unless you live in parts of israel which truly have communal structure as far as levels of frumkeit go, your in a really sheltered box to think that communities in the USA actually have standards. we have shteiblech, young israels, agudahs, torah centers, all over the place, all with different minhagim and levels. even lakewood has a young israel and an agudah.
and a side point, nowhere in the original post did it say she was in shul. it seems that this happened on the street.
t.black, have you ever read the law, or do you just spew nonsense for the heck of it. the HALACHA is the color red may not be worn, as it was the color that harlots wore, since nowadays that is no longer true, the red color goes away as an issur according to many. as far as skirt length,etc. the HALCHA is the bone right below the thigh, is what must be covered. now the bone at the knee is a ball and socket structure. there is a MACHLOKES whether teh whole knee needs to be covered or not, so it is NOT black and white, and you DO NOT know what you are talking about. same goes for the elbow. teh HALACHA is that the bone of the upper arm must be covered, and that uses a ball and socket structure as well at the elbow. as far as kneckline, their is no definitve psak as to what needs to be covered. just the breast bone, which is actually not that high. teh question is, does the breast bone also mean the bones above it as well, and that is where that machlokes comes in. as far as tightness, no sefer predating the 80’s will talk about the styles worn today by alot of frum women, as these styles are completely new. so that also will be a mochlokes amongst rabbonim today.
so much for BLACK AND WHITE! see, when you are knowledgable, you can see where all the confusion is! when you live in the bais medrash and drink the kool-aid you are served, and tought to be the only way, then you become an am haaretz, and look foolish when you open your mouth.
and for all you idiots out there that say i have a inferiority complex, my wife dresses %100 tzniusly according to MY rabbonim. if my wife buys something i think may be questionable, which rarely happens, i as MY ROV, not a discussion board!