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It seems that it’s another Hapeles, just the fact that Joseph loves it tells me that it’s a hateful paper.
Milhouse
I don’t understand what you’re saying, the rambam says that we celebrate Chanukah that we regained our sovereignty. We were under Greek rule and the chashmonaim took over. Galus yavan was the period before, when the Greek ruled over us in Eretz Yisrael. My point was then and now that it is not considered by the neviim and Chazal to be in golus when we are living in Eretz Yisroel under Jewish sovereignty even if the rulers are as bad as achav or hurdus.
As a side note it is absurd to say that today’s democratically elected leaders in Eretz Yisrael are reshoim when they are overseeing the funding of so much Torah.Avi K
While all the points you brought regarding the ג שבועות are true that most don’t hold its valid now, the main point should be that even for the ones like Joseph that do hold of it that doesn’t give them the right to call all those who disagree a rasha. Its like an ashkenazi calling a Sephardi a rasha for not paskening like the rama.Joseph
First of all it’s simply not true that everyone holds of the ג שבועות but that’s beside the point. As I said before you cannot expect to have everyone hold like your posek and if they don’t they are a rasha…Joseph
It’s just not true.
The only reason why it would be assur to be mekayem the mitzvah of והורשתם is if you hold of the ג׳ שבועות as a halachic problem which obviously no one other than the Satmar rav and maybe reb Elchonon held. To everyone else it was all a matter of pragmatism as to what makes the most sense.Milhouse
The rambam says שחזרה מלכות לישראל יתר ממאתים שנהJoseph
It is not clear why Reb Aharon voted against the partition plan of the Peel Commission, there are some that say that he said that we cannot agree to any plan that gives away part of eretz yisroel. In any case the majority voted in favor so you can nitpick about what Reb Aharon held but it was in the minority. Therefore you cannot say that because they dont agree to your psak so they are reshoim.Joseph
Reb Aharon never said that it’s against halacha to have a medinah today.
The point is that you cannot expect other people to only accept your poskim’s psak.Coffee Addict
However now we have sovereignty but we decide not to build it?Meaning we’re still in galus (even if it’s a galus caused by our own people)
How does that add up? not being mekayem a mitzvah does not mean galus, just like in bayis rishon and sheini ,we were expelled for not keeping certain mitzvohs , not that the not keeping those mitzvohs meant we were in galus then during bayis rishon and sheini.Coffee addict
Of course we want the bais hamikdash to be built and whenever we had sovereignty we made sure to build it. After all it is one of the taryag mitzvohs, I’m sure there was never even a hava Amina that when Klal Yisroel comes back that they wouldn’t be mekayem this fundamental mitzva.american_ yerushalmi
Galus yavan was when we lost our sovereignty to the Seleucid kingdom, see the rambam שחזרה מלכות לישראל יתר ממאתים שנה.Joseph
Jewish sovereignty includes even reshoim like most of our rulers in the first bais hamikdash under malchei Yisroel and some from malchei Yehuda as it says clearly in nach. Same goes for the second bais hamikdash under the herodian dynasty.
As far as today, why is it against Halacha? Because one posek said so? They have to go with your posek??? You do realize that not everyone agrees with the Satmar rav.Coffee Addict
Who said everything is perfect already? Who doesn’t want the bais hamikdash built?
All I’m saying is that the term galus in the Torah and neviim all refer to yidden living or not living in Eretz Yisroel under their own sovereignty , like the rambam says that we celebrate Chanukah שחזרה מלכות לישראל יתר ממאתים שנה. The rambam is Clearly including the bais hurdus even though it was a disaster.
May we merit to see the binyan bais hamikdash in our days.Avi K
I don’t understand your question.
Also the term spiritual galus is a relatively new term. The term galus always was a physical one.You cannot be in golus in Eretz Yisroel when it’s under Jewish sovereignty and it doesn’t matter if it is run by tzadikim or reshoim. Examples of it being run by reshoim is most of malchei Yisroel in bayis rishon and the whole end of the chashmonaim dynasty and then the bais Hurdus.