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Lol DY.

Now what’s a vegetarianist?

I think a major difference is that for the most part Litvish women are expected to have a career long term while for the most part Chasidish women are not expected to and most of her focus is on raising a family and homemaking — beyond the first few years while her husband learns and she must work. Norms depend on where one lives, cost of living, which Chasidus, and even which school the girl attended and are constantly evolving so it’s not cast in stone.

DY: you do realize that your analogy is unfair as the chances of each happening are not comparable.

From a non Halachic POV, just as general observations: a Heimish store with a Mikva will generally not accept returns of toveled stuff, even if you didn’t use it. I can’t imagine them accepting used utensils, and these items are generally extensively packaged so it would be pretty obvious to the shopkeeper. Department stores I believe sell returned utensils as open stock, which I would avoid. I’m not sure they always do though.

I agree that it’s hard and perhaps uncomfortable but very often it’s in your own perception of things. So you for example might be embarrassed if your house isn’t in perfect order or your kids have chocolate all over their faces, while your in-laws might feel perfectly comfortable with the “mess” and love seeing your kids in this funny state. And if it doesn’t happen too often your kids will survive a slightly later bed time and benefit from spending time with their grandparents.

So examine your true reasons of discomfort, it may be you actually need your privacy at that hour, or perhaps you feel you must be the perfect in-law and bake a cake and do a major clean-up before having them over. If it’s the latter, the more you accept them unexpectedly the easier it’ll get down the road. Hatzlacha!

We need everybody. Why would we reduce the pool of Shadchanim, whether the “heimish” neighbor or professional with a system, especially when many complain they’re not getting suggestions?

And how many friends of a friend would do the legwork for say a Transatlantic shidduch? Or for the older guy/girl that’s very sensitive and may stop talking to the so called Shadchan if he/she becomes offended? Many times people think of a Shidduch and refer it to someone more “professional” because they can’t be bothered or don’t fee competent. And there are many shades of grey between so called professionals and say the teacher that dabbles in Shidduchim.

The question is whether to compare it to mushrooms instead, which have a few poisonous strains, but with a little knowledge of what’s what those can be avoided.

If the guys working at immigration would be competent to make the assessment of who’s dangerously radical and who’s a “good guy” we wouldn’t need this argument. I personally don’t have trust in their capabilities, as recent events have shown.

And Naxon’s name was originally Nachumsohn.

Health, I’m saying this with the best of intentions so I’ll be a little vague, but please brush up on your people skills.

Sorry ZD but your logic and twisted facts are too convoluted for me to follow.

One point though: the residents of KJ and Rockland do pay income and sales tax (and property tax through the roof in Rockland) so it’s not all “them” paying for “us” like you make it seem.

I wouldn’t call it racism because they’d object to an Italian white Christian family moving in as well.

But definitely KJ made a private, religious village originally, and wants it to stay this way. I think KJ has by-laws regarding women not driving etc. but don’t think it can be legally enforced. So when and if it happens that they discriminate against some Chrisirtian that wants to move in we’ll argue about it.

Now it’s not a hypothetical and it would be nice if we’d all advocate for our fellow Jews when they’re right just as the African Americans or Asians would similarly stick up for their brethren.

What I prefer is irrelevant.

What is legal and right should be what you defend, but when it comes to religious Jews you tend to support the other side even when they’re blatantly wrong.

So whether we’re perceived as the underdog or the aggressor, in your mind we don’t have any rights. I’m not crawling into a hole to hide anytime soon.

The African American can be proud of his heritage and WE FRUM JEWS SHOULD BE PROUD, PROSPEROUS AND MULTIPLY! If that means moving into new neighborhoods or expanding in existing ones, I’ll say B”H and Go ahead!

ZD: covered up anti-Semitism is insidious and harmful. I don’t understand how you’re basically advocating for it.

And in Westhampton zoning won’t be an issue that prevents Orthodox Jews from moving there. They want to live there precisely because it’s this tony, perfectly suburban beach town with huge homes on large lots.

Sam: next door as in Canada with its vast open space?

Frozen Thaw: stop “playing us”. Your question seemed legitimate at first but it appears that you don’t have a problem of not having enough time (to clean) but have too much time on your hands… (And yes I know you were supposedly asking about someone else.)

Otherwise why can’t you answer the questions posed to you like a mensch?

Sam: we can work at alleviating their conditions in camps etc. without letting them in to the U.S. Those that the US wants to let in are no longer in danger in Syria, although they face many hardships especially in the wintertime.

So if we want to compare it’s more like the survivors in DP camps after WW2, not during the Holocaust itself.

ROB: you obviously have no clue about what Satmar did and continues to do in Argentia or EY for SEPHARDIC Jews so there’s no point in arguing with you. Gild the lily? Did you do any research before making this assertion? Why would they continue to spend millions there and maintain mosdos there if the immigrants from Hungary are long gone? (Btw the first hit I got for Satmar Argentina was for the Satmar mikvah from MikvahMinder. They obviously don’t have websites but their continued presence is undeniable).

And I gave conservative numbers because I err on the side of caution. Why the comparison to Lubavitch is necessary or relevant is beyond me.

ZD: you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. So yes, I’m talking mainly between man & Hashem because they dropped the Torah and not necessarily secular laws.

That’s not what I said. We all make mistakes. The difference is that hopefully we try to get back on track.

I said once one slips OFF THE DERECH. By that I mean if one INTENTIONALLY STOPS KEEPING MITZVOS or in this case misreads the Torah so aveiros are seen as Mitzvos (or at best “neutral”). Since they don’t think their mehalech is wrong there’s nothing stopping them from applying it to more areas of the Torah hence the slippery slope, and they will bederech hateva never try to get back on track.

Of course there are always exceptions that can trigger Teshuva but this is my take on it.

Sam: maybe you’re shortsighted. Generally speaking once one “slips” off the derech, it’s a slippery slope and hard to control the fall. If you actually believe their mehalech is wrong then without siata dishmaye it’s impossible to maintain the basic tenets of Yiddishkeit. But I’d venture a guess that Taharos Hamishpocha –because of their emphasis on feminism — will go first, and it will definitely take years.

If you still work as a cashier and your writing topic is of broad appeal (best is probably for kids) you can ask your boss for permission to distribute it at your register – or all registers if possible. You’d need to print it though and have a decent layout. Good luck!

Maybe learn to play a musical instrument? Or try your hand at painting/drawing. You never know where your talents lie if you don’t try…

555: just noticed your question to me from 2 days ago.

I was referring to Hungary between both World Wars because several Hungarian family members from different sides (Holocaust survivors) that were NOT CHASIDISH shaved and I was always told that that was the Minhag in Hungary.

Austria especially Vienna was more modern, so though I’m sure there were many ehrliche women that did shave, I presume they were not the majority. As you pointed out it was originally one empire, yet I can’t say that the same Minhag was true there before WWII. Perhap’s during the Chasam Sofer’s time it was different, but I really don’t know.

Because Israel purports itself to be the JEWISH STATE and instead of promoting Yiddishkeit by supplying the Teimani Jews with sforim, tzitis, ehrliche melamdim, kosher food, etc. they DAVKA sent them to irreligious neighborhoods or Kibbutzim where kids were routinely separated from parents, kidnapped some of their kids, didn’t give frum Jews access to them, cut off boys’ peyos, indoctrinated them with the worst Zionist ideals and encouraged hefkeros and you’re comparing this to Jews who couldn’t stand by the nisyonos of Democracy in other countries?

A) You don’t know if your assertion holds up numbers wise, do you know the value of ONE JEWISH NESHAMA?

B) Would you have wanted to be treated this way?

C) Perhaps the Yemenites were stronger and had more religious upbringing than those from other countries you are comparing them to

D) Do you blame the Czars for taking away Kantonists from Yiddishkeit or give them the green light because most Russian Jews assimilated eventually?

E) EVEN IF the outcome would have been the same without the Zionist’s “BENEVOLENT INTERVENTION”, they were blatantly wrong!

Sorry my mistake above. The article I read appeared on on the main line called Bald Jewish Women Revisited. It actually has a copy of a Times of London newspaper article where it’s mentioned.

The above is based on purely anecdotal evidence. I’d love to be wrong on this…