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>The simplest explanation is that politicians use situation to attack their opponents<
You’re right about that. However right-wingers in Israel who hate government involvement, were very critical of Bibi’s Covid strategy, until the amazing vaccine rollout, after which all was forgiven. In fact if not for the vaccines Bibi would be packing his bags.
So I do think that this is a right-versas-left thing but governments all over lost control of the virus and freaked out, ignoring their voters and ideology.I don’t think even the mods know anything about us beyond our IP and Email addresses.
Am I right Mod-29?
>All Ethiopians undergo geirus misofek.<
Not all and that is a real problem.
>right-wing government tries to close<
It didn’t just try, it literally closed down three times and that’s why covid barely effected us at all.
Oh, wait, maybe it did…>In Israel, being the highest vaccinated country in the world seemingly leads to yet another election…<
Correction:
“Israel, being the most Israeli country in the world seemingly leads to yet another election..”People turn into monsters when they’re anonymous.
I think I speak for most of us when I admit that I have said things online which I regret and never would have said in person (especially to @jackk, I am sorry 😔).
As G-D fearing jews, we need to constantly keep ourselves in check and remember the One who is not fooled by screen names.>I see you just posted to the thread regarding name calling and you are all for it since it means that you made a good point. I am thinking about that right now.<
I never said I was for it, I said it was a last resort for those who don’t how to admit they were wrong,
so it’s good to see you are ”thinking about that right now”.
Always happy to help you.Name calling is a last resort for some Coffee Roomers. When they realise they are wrong or mistaken they use names.
So if someone calls you a name, you can pat yourself on the back, knowing you made a good point and just move on.So you see the contradiction but don’t see who made the contradiction.
It’s hard to argue with logic like that.>Lindsey Graham is one of the biggest idiotic fools and trump sycophants of the senate.<
>He was 100% right when he tweeted on May 3 2016 – ‘If we nominate trump we will get destroyed … and we will deserve it.'<
Am I the only one to see the contradiction?
>don’t worry I got that it was a typo<
Phew. For a moment there I was afraid that you and I would walk off into the sunset telling the tales of the Great Typo That Was(n’t) and The Fighting Students Who Fought.
Thank goodness it came to an END.
>What I am about to write is complete sarcasm in my point of view , but complete truth in the republican view.
Since student B can scream from the roof tops that student A is the biggest hypocrite in the entire universe from Adam Harishon, ergo Student B is completely blameless for what he did. Not only blameless, he is a courageous warrior and admired fighter. He is the saviour of the school and he deserves to be the leader.<I’m so sorry to have to destroy your ‘I knew Reps were morons!’ moment, but it was a typo.
@ubiquitin
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Wooops, this is what happens when you overuse copy-paste.Here is what I ment to post:
A better example would be:
Now imagine Student A talks all day, every day, loudly, about how the school is systematically discriminating against them. A group of Student A supporters then go roaming the School smashing windows and destroying desks, chairs, doors, and equipment while looting and killing people, and the Teacher does nothing. Student B tells his classmates day in and day out for months that teacher isnt legitimate and unless they “fight” they will never get the class back. A group of Student B supporters then Go roaming the School looking for Teacher to hang him while smashing windows. Student A says “Teacher, Student B is ruining our school.” Student B says “You are the biggest hypocrite to ever exist on planet earth.”I can’t belive nobody realised it was a typo.
>Now imagine Student A talks all day, every day, loudly, and teacher does nothing. Student B tells his classmates day in and day out for months that teacher isnt legitimate and unless they “fight” they will never get the class back. A group of Student B supporters then Go roaming the School looking for Teacher to hang him while smashing windows. Teacher says “Student B, you have got to go” Student B says “Yeah but Student A talks all day and that was ok why the double standard”<
This mashal has no connection to reality.
A better example would be:
Now imagine Student A talks all day, every day, loudly, about how the school is systematically discriminating against them. A group of Student B supporters then go roaming the School smashing windows and destroying desks, chairs, doors, and equipment while looting and killing people, and the Teacher does nothing. Student B tells his classmates day in and day out for months that teacher isnt legitimate and unless they “fight” they will never get the class back. A group of Student B supporters then Go roaming the School looking for Teacher to hang him while smashing windows. Student A says “Teacher, Student B is ruining our school.” Student B says “You are the biggest hypocrite to ever exist on planet earth.”@Reb Eliezer
>An insurrection on the Federal Capitol which reflects the central government, wanting to overthtow it, is different than the state cities and the democrats<
That right. There were huge differences in deaths, damage, duration and participants, in which “state cities and the democrats” were worse by far.>Bidem condemned the riots but Trump never did<
Fact-check: False.>Peiple close to Trump said that they saw him being joyful and happy with it.<
Can you give us a name or source?@jackk I guess the puzzle is too hard, so here goes:
>The stupid whataboutism defense put forth by defenders of trump was that trump can never be held accountable for his actions until the BLM rioters are prosecuted.
That is moronic.<
Wrong.
When “defenders of trump” use the “what about BLM” defence, they are not asking for prosecution, they are asking for a single-standard.
To Dems that phrase has no meaning.
That is moronic.>It is obvious that you and MadeAliyah did not listen to the trial.
Was OJ’s trial also a PR stunt since it was clear that the minority population was never going to convict him ? They came back with a verdict after an hour.<
Wrong.
I did listen to the trial.
How does OJ’s trial have anything to do with this?>The Senate trial did not get the conviction of trump but it did convict 43 republicans of supporting insurrection <
Wrong.
The Republicans who voted not to convict were not “supporting insurrection”, they did not believe Trump was guilty of inciting it, as the case against him was very weak.>and allowing every future president free reign after he is a lame duck to overthrow the government.<
Wrong again.
A President who tries to “overthrow the government” will be prosecuted. Trump didn’t come close to doing that.>MAGA<
Indeed.@Reb Eliezer
>Examine all fights of Trump from before the election that we must win or it is rigged in context.<
Okay, now what?> Even Mitch agreed on Trump’s incited insurrection guilt but pushed away the senate trial after Trump was out and argued that a former president cannot be convicted.<
Mitch doesn’t want to take sides so don’t take him seriously.>Did Trump ever say, you misunderstood me? I did not mean to fight physically, I meant it figuratively. Stop it. I don’t want you to hurt Pence.<
To whom? To sane people, it is self understood. To Dems and Rioters, it will never be understood.@jackk here is a puzzle for you:
Find three huge logical flaws in the following post:
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The stupid whataboutism defense put forth by defenders of trump was that trump can never be held accountable for his actions until the BLM rioters are prosecuted.
That is moronic.It is obvious that you and MadeAliyah did not listen to the trial.
Was OJ’s trial also a PR stunt since it was clear that the minority population was never going to convict him ? They came back with a verdict after an hour.The Senate trial did not get the conviction of trump but it did convict 43 republicans of supporting insurrection and allowing every future president free reign after he is a lame duck to overthrow the government. MAGA.
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Please submit your answer to https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/democrats-stupid-argument to win credibility.
The answers will be posted soon Be’H.Enjoy!
The impeachment of Trump was a PR campaign for the dems, so ‘logic’ or ‘defences’ are irrelevant and off-topic.
>when he told the country that the virus was a hoax<
Fact-check: False.>that it would magically go away<
Fact-check: False.
He did say it would disappear like a miracle, was he referring to a medical miracle such as the vaccine? Who knows.>that it would be gone by Easter<
Fact-check: False.
He said he wanted to reopen by Easter.>that it can be cured with an untested drug<
Fact-check: You guessed it, False.
While there are conflicting studies on the use of Hydroxychloroquine, it is far from untested.Your baseless outrage is showing.
@Anan Sahadi
Welcome to the YWNCR!
A small tip; NEVER EVER use the ‘Good intentions’ card, it may very well backfire.
Nice screen name BTW.
>The coverup is inexcusable and wasn’t even necessary.<
Of course it was necessary, he was directly responsible by placing COVID patients into nursing homes.
Besides, he needed to sell a book. Why should pesky facts stop him?
>Endorsing neo-Nazis is in the interest of Jews and Israel?<
@charliehall I know you love to use that line, but it is mostly false:1. Trump never supported neo-Nazis. He did support Pual Nelhen who is more correctly identified as a white supremacist.
2. Even if you view Pual as a neo-nazi, please show us the other neo-nazi in order to use the misleading ‘neo-nazis’ in plural.
3. Using an endorsement from 2016 which was clearly more of a ‘disindorsement’ for his opponent, to ignore all that Trump has done ‘in the interest of Jews & Israel’ is just wrong.
4. For the record; yes, the endorsement of Nelhen will forever be a taint on Trump’s legacy and rightly so.
>MadeAliyah-
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You’ve annoyed a democrat. You’re being cancelled!!!<Syag, I think by now I’ve annoyed pretty much every Dem in the YWNCR. (Sorry guys, it’s just too easy. Nothing personal. 😎)
>If you watch the footage shown today, (never seen before and from the body cameras) you will see hand to hand combat between Trump rioters and capitol police.
They violently attacked the capitol police and we’re ready to attack politicians.
There is no defense for R senators except to stick their heads in the sand.<Correction:
There is no defense for RIOTERS except to stick their heads in the sand.
“R senators” weren’t part of the mob, they were targeted by the mob. (There is a slight difference. You might notice if you close CNN for a minute)”Can you tell me MadeAliyah why you get involved in the first place? Worry about Natanyohu.”
@Reb Eliezer when you attack a poster based on identity, I believe it means you view his posts as a threat to your agenda, but have no good response.
Now to answer your question; I don’t need to worry about Bibi, he’s a political heavyweight. But the US is Israel’s backbone and it worries me when someone like Joe Biden gets elected to lead it.>“The ‘trial run’ was done by BLM and Antifa.”
Republicans don’t get their own reality created by the web of lies that they are constantly reading and listening to.<
You don’t get to respond to my point by making a random irrelevant statement.>“The next time the police will be prepared and will succeed in defending the Capital.”
The president has lot of power over security in DC and if he is in favor of an insurrection, there will not be more security. In fact, the weak security this time was due to the president’s administration ordering the capitol police to not be properly prepared and not to engage the rioters. The capitol police revealed the letter that he received from the administration.<
Are you referring to the letter that Steven A. Sund sent to Nancy Pelosi? I read all eight pages of that letter looking for the ‘president’s administration ordering the capitol police to not be properly prepared’ and didn’t find it. The letter-writer pointed out frustrating bureaucracy
and incompetent officers who have since resigned. If your allegations may be true and Trump or his appointees are responsible, then of course we should have an investigation and the offenders must be punished. However the DOJ and FBI are under Biden now, so why don’t you complain about his inaction?
(No, the impeachment doesn’t cover that)>“Please tell us more.”
I assume that you know exactly what I am referring to.<
Excuse my ignorance, but I do not.>I will admit that if I believed in what Trump said at the rally that the election was stolen, that he won by a landslide and the Dem’s are destroying democracy and stealing the next 4 years, I would have been part of the riot and not left the capitol building without a few politicians in handcuffs. ( or worse.)<
Be honest, did you see it coming BEFORE it took place?>Republicans Defenses of Trump that are worthless.<
Are you a lawyer or judge?>If next time a democrat president does exactly what trump did , would you still be opposed to removal from office?<
ABSOLUTELY! Who has asked for Bernie Sanders or Maxine Waters to be removed from office?
Some of us have one standard.>Let’s just drop the last word in the title of this thread,
LINDSEY GRAHAM’S STUPID.
He is also two faced, a liar and not to be trusted<‘When out of arguments, resort to name-calling’ – @CTLAWYER 2021
@Reb Eliezer this thread is incredible. We have the stupidest impeachment, of a former president , for stupid reasons, by some of the stupidest politicians the US has ever seen, and you’re like ‘A senator from South Carolina made a stupid argument! The horror!’.
Keep those threads coming!>he encouraged people to fight<
Politicians use that type of language. All. The. Time.
Nobody normal took ‘fight’ as physical.>Once incited it is too late to say go home.<
Incite? What part of ‘peacefully protest’ means ‘break into the capital, kill a policeman, be shirtless and wear horns’? This was planned in advance!
Did anybody watching Trump’s speech live expect this?@jackk, I hope you don’t mind me asking, but are you jewish?
Republicans of the YWNCR:
Can you guys please make a thread for every stupid argument made by a Dem?
Do you think your keyboards can handle the pressure?>If there are no consequences then this was only a trial run by trump and his supporters.<
The ‘trial run’ was done by BLM and Antifa.>The next time they will be better prepared and will succeed.<
The next time the police will be prepared and will succeed in defending the Capital.
Jake Turx, who was reporting on the riot, said the rioters were surprised by how easy it was to enter the building.>There is a historical parallel to such a situation.<
Please tell us more.>Trump commended the insurrectionists and condemned them after the fact, closing the door after the horse escaped the barn.<
Trump told the rioters – as they were rioting – to “GO HOME”.
Why couldn’t we have that from Dems over the summer?>we have to remember that Haman was engaging in protected speech when he argued to destroy, kill, and annihilate all the yidden—young and old, women and children—and steal their possessions on 13 Adar. In reality, he was only engaged in political hyperbole and was a true ohev yisroel.<
Bad comparison. We don’t celebrate Purim because of his speech, we celebrate because he had a plan in place for total annihilation and it backfired.
>what happened in the Capitol, people dying, is not funny and people encouraging it need to be accountable because it can happen in the future.<
I think we all agree on that, however Trump never encouraged it and in fact condemned it
”Clever move by Biden. He denies the Iranians what they desperately want (relief from sanctions, which are destroying their economy), and gives them an irrelevant bone (the US will stop helping the Saudis from beating up the Iranian’s friends in Yemen, as if the Saudi’s really need our help).”
So he gave them an ‘irrelevant bone’ without receiving anything in return?
That not a ‘clever move’, that’s a bad move and it projects weakness.@jackk can I rephrase your post?
Here goes:<After calling Trump’s policy worse than Biden’s because it wasn’t lishmah, I’ve decided that this whole posting is a false accusation against Biden.
As the State Department spokesperson explained this has everything to do with a humanitarian effort to help millions of Yemenis that are starving so don’t notice the whole ‘Houthis not being a terrorist organization’ thing.
In explaining the reversal of the US view of the Houthis, the State Department spokesperson said the move “has nothing to do with our view of the Houthis and their reprehensible conduct, including attacks against civilians and the kidnapping of American citizens.”
“We have formally notified Congress of the Secretary’s intent to revoke these designations and will share more details in the coming days,” the spokesperson added. “Our action is due entirely to the humanitarian consequences of this last-minute designation from the prior administration, which the United Nations and humanitarian organizations have since made clear would accelerate the world’s worst humanitarian crisis.”
Ergo: I think Pompeo’s last minute designation of Ansarallah as a terrorist organization would have been a disaster for millions of starving Yemenis. I think that is a lot worse than what Pompeo did, because I think he defended Trump when he – I think – was overthrowing the American government .>
How’s that?
I also understand your point, and I think we all agree that we should ‘take precautions to save their lives and their Torah’, however I don’t think this is a ‘wider look’ but a different point entirely .