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> Consider what some coffee roomers say about you, or, even more important, me.<
Do they call you a “Typical Trumpie”? Or a member of the “Trump Cult”? Or maybe they think you are in need of a 12 step program because you speak out against a Governor who killed thousands?
>I think socialism applies to Torah values. Government is there to support people’s needs<
The Torah is not socialist at all. however it does encourage private citizens to give tzedakah.
>and not the sink and swim attitude of the Republicans<Life is sink or swim. If you don’t want to work, don’t complain.
>My Rav is a well known and highly regarded Talmid Chacham and Posek. He is also a full-fledged liberal Democrat. I doubt he has ever voted Republican. He is not alone.<
Why don’t you ask him about the issues being raised and then come back and enlighten us?
>That alone is subject to misinterpretation and expose you to suspension of your posting rights <
This is you in:
The mystical “cancel culture” has arrived in the CR.I guess you were right.😉
>The only “pro-family” that the Republican party has over the Democrats is gay marriage.<
That is the “pro-family” value that the Torah stands for.
>They still supported a president who hired a zoina while he was married to his third trophy wife.<
We are talking about policy not person.
(If you want to talk about person, there’s a great thread named “Cuomo’s Downfall”)>Furthermore, the USA almost has more annual gun deaths than the rest of the First World combined. Tell me again why the 2nd Amendment is in line with Torah values and Mitzvos Bnei Noach?<
The Torah has nothing against weapons, but holds that murder should be punishable by death.
Remember, this thread is about Torah values.
>The Midrash Shmuel on Pirkei Avos on איזהו דרך ישרה says that ben adam lechavero comes before ben adam laMakom. The democrats care for the poor<
So if you support abortions and gay people but (supposedly) care for the poor you are better in the Torah’s perspective? Do you really believe that?
>not like DeSantis who only vaccinates the rich.<
Fact check: False.
>“Nobody tried to steal an election.”
You are welcome to return to reality at any time.<You have a point. Election fraud exists and both sides have offenders, so I shouldn’t have written that line.
However, the rest of the post remains true; suing in a court of law is not stealing an election.I think @boredguy has a point.
The Democrats are worse than the Republicans in terms of ideology and agenda from the Torah’s perspective>You are making the same silly argument Charlie Hall makes when saying voting for Trump means you think he’s from the 36 tzaddikim.<
Not quite the same.
He’s making the point that a large amount of the Democrat’s agenda should be enough to stop any Torah jew from voting Democrat.>how can Orthodox jews vote for a party that tried to steal an election and destroy democracy in America<
I think we’ve had this discussion before.
Nobody tried to steal an election.
What you witnessed was lawsuits, which are a foundation of democracy, being brought to courts that studied the evidence and then turned down those lawsuits.
Anyone who opposes peoples right to sue in a court of law is destroying democracy.>Granted. So I’ll write a disclaimer & you’ll reinstate it?<
I did that once and it worked.
The mods are actually very open-minded as long as you don’t post anything that could get them personally into trouble and nobody should have any problem with that.>Now you are comparing Rabbi Weiss to the anti-Semites Omar and Trump.
Is there no limit to the extent of your motzi shem ra?<
@charliehall you knew exactly what I was doing.Enough with this ignorance game.
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>To all of you wondering what my brilliant opening post was meant to say: Read it carefully and intelligently. It says what I meant to say, nothing more, nothing less.<
I thought you had more to say than an irrelevant piece of news and philosophical musings on poetry and political motives.
That what happens when you think too highly of others.
>But when your political views cross over into your personal relationships and make you a toxic individual to work with then you are being fired for being unpleasant<
Those cases are extremely rare if they exist at all.
They are not he term “cancel culture” comes from.>not because you made Trump your Avoda Zara<
That’s toxic language right there. Maybe you should be “fired for being unpleasant”.
>Rabbi Weiss challenges anti-Semites and you challenge Rabbi Weiss. I know whose side I’m on.<
Ilhan Omar challenges Donald Trump and you challenge Ilhan Omar. Whose side are you on?
@huju can you please explain the purpose of this thread?
Are you trying to say:1. “Woe is to us Haters-Of-The-Donald, for we have lost a dear and beloved nemesis! Our lives now lack meaning and purpose! Our deep pain can only be reduced by making a new thread in his memory every two days.”
2. A Trump statue was on display somewhere. It must have been an idol and therefore all Trump supporters must believe he is G-D.
3. Don’t make statues of Trump. I hate him.
4. All of the above.
5. None of the above (please provide an alternative explanation).
>Just making sure we have it straight.<
You don’t.
Politicians can be canceled over their political views.
Private workers should not be canceled over their political views.
That should be self-understood.
@ENS
>When you say talking about a vile, violent insurrectionist at the capital is talking about Trump, are you suggesting Trump is responsible for their behavior?<
Nope, I was talking about @jackk’s second post.
Think before you post.
@SyagLchochma
They are mourning the loss of their dearest and most beloved nemesis Donald J. Trump.
Please be respectful of their feelings and allow them to express their grief.
Look, I’m also against the new rule and it’s okay to be critical of it, but please do not compare the Jewish State to Nazi Germany.
>Does he have a sense of timing or what?<
He also speaks some yiddish.
Before you know it he’ll be thrown out of the White House because Jill needs to clean for Pesach.
Then he will have no choice but to mobilize jewnalimunumaprzure.>Simply releasing names of vaccine refusers is letting them off easily. They really should be quarantined until they come to their senses. They are basicallly rodfim.<
I wish you would tell us why:
>Even a lot of Republicans agree we should not be supporting Saudi proxy wars.<
There was no need to remove the terror org. status from the Houthis.
> And do you have any suggestions to get Iran to stop enriching uranium<
Military action and sanctions.
>other than starting World War III.<
The US, Israel, UAE, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia (if not for Biden) Vs. Iran, is not “World War III”,
it’s “Goodbye Iran”.>You obviously have not been reading the coffee room very long.<
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>Biden can’t order any school to do anything. Only Trumpies think that a President is a dictator.<
Quote from Jen Psaki:
“[Biden’]s goal that he set is to have the majority of schools, so more than 50 percent, open by day 100 of his presidency”
I did not know that Psaki is a “Trumpie” who thinks that the “President is a dictator”. Interesting.
(I personally think that she’d look terrible with a MAGA cap.)>I hope that you avail yourself of the Purim Meshulash this year in Yerushalayim <
Unfortunately not. I don’t live in Yerushalayim and our wonderful government has placed yet another lockdown on it’s poor subjects.😕
>What mess? He hasn’t managed to do anything.<
He caved on the Houthis and UN sanctions but the Iranians are still backing away.
>Typical Trumpie — you want the government to lie.<
This is what you said in:
The vaccines will allow us to get back to normal lives.
Are you a Typical Trumpie? Or are you Lying?>Cuomo and Deblasio and Pelosi are not my idols. No goy is my idol.
I do not walk around with a blue hat or a biden/harris flag in the back of my pickup truck.<That’s good. You should not have the flags of pro-gay, pro-abortion and pro-Palestinian politicians.
>Even if I agree to one, that is one out of 250<
You don’t need to agree. It’s a fact.
You said there were none.>I won’t stop pointing out Trump’s failures until 2 things happen.
1) He concedes the election, concedes that it was never stolen and that he was lying.
2) He leaves politics.<
@Paperbridge and @catchyourself, are you listening?>Until then, I will have fun.
Lock him up.Lock him up.<If obsessing over an oranged haired golfer in Florida is your version of fun, be my guest.
(I’m not complaining. I obsess over Dem’s posts for fun, so we’re even. 😉)Happy Purim @jackk.
>so I think it’s a bit soon to say that the four year thing wasn’t an exaggeration.<
Clarification: I thought they might put Trump behind them and focus on the amazing angelic and glorious light of the US; Joseph R. Biden.
As of now they have shown no sign of doing any of that.>Please post a list of Biden’s failures to date<
1. Made a mess of the attempted Iran deal. (so far)
2. His administration is telling people that the vaccine will not mean they can go back to normal which means that less people will get vaccinated.
3. Has yet to open schools despite the CDC stating that it is perfectly safe (they have since backtracked. Not suspicious at all).
That is a short list. If you need more I’m sure other posters can help you.
>if you don’t mind, do so every month for the balance of his term.<
That’s what Fox News & co. exist for. Subscribe and never miss a beat.
>And, if you can, make a distinction between political failures and policy failures.<
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Why don’t you reach out to Aish or a similar organization? I’m sure they can provide you with the guidance and support that you need.
They can also introduce you to other jews in the same situation. That might give you a positive environment and help you find the strength to continue.
Wishing you much Hatzlachah. Your journey is an inspiration for us all.
I remember hearing from a political commentator on Jan 20, that Democrats will talk about Trump for the next four years in order to distract you from Biden’s failures.
I thought he was exaggerating.
Congratulations @Lib, on your first post in eleven years (!) of being a YWN participant.
Your self-control is admirable.
Take the vaccine, it’s the best thing ever.
(YWN, that’ll be $15 USD)
>hang up some people and then party again<
According to the CDC hung persons who are unmasked and not socially distanced have a 100% mortality rate, so be responsible and enforce Covid regulations.
>not waking up every AM in fear of the morning tweetstorm or the Fox News barfstorm is refreshing<
If those were your fears during the Trump years, he must have been doing a great job.
Right now many Americans live in fear of waking up in the morning and finding out that they’re jobless at the stroke of a pen or that they will get fired when Biden raises the minimum wage.
>the rich get abortion by travelling to a place where it is permitted and the poor will endanger themselves.<
Or they will stay away from situations that make them need abortions in the first place and that’s a good thing.
>Listen to their public speeches, they all demonstrate the power to think. And to think about something other than themselves.<
Wow. Politicians who think. What more can you ask for?
That, by the way, was probably Trump’s big problem. He should have spent less time y’know, doing something and more time giving speeches in which the power of thinking is demonstrated to the ignorant and thoughtless public. That would show his haters that he has ‘smarts and experience’.
>Made Aliya: It must be a great relief to you having made aliyah from the land of hypocrisy to be able to live in eretz hakodesh where politicians are always 100 percent true to their words and principles.<
Yet another Liberal goes for the “when a Conservative tells the truth, attack him personally” approach.
(@Gadolhadorah, you have a point though, Israeli politicians are mostly junk. But I’m still relieved that I MadeAliyah. )
>We have a decent President today, Joe Biden<
If you ever wondered why Democrats are in favor of more government involvement, look no further than this statement.
Biden supporters will ignore
the lies (“no vaccines when I came in”, “no sanction relief for Iran”, “anyone who is disrespectful will be fired”),
the racism (Blacks are unclean, unarticulate and are all of the same opinion, according to Joe),
the insanity (“China virus” = bad, China’s genocide = cultural difference, Cuomo = amazing),
and the hypocrisy (not wearing a mask on Fed property after an EO that forbids it)
that is Joe Biden and will still call him ‘a decent President’.So why shouldn’t politicians have more power? They are all decent aren’t they?
>Anyone who supported Trump has absolutely no standing to complain about Democrats not being decent.<
Um, no.
Nobody supported Trump because he was ‘decent’ (whatever that means to you), they supported him because he stood for their values and ideas.
But Dems have been calling Biden a ‘decent’ man, so Reps can complain about him not being ‘decent’.—————————-
hy·poc·ri·sy /həˈpäkrəsē/ nounthe practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one’s own behavior does not conform; pretense.
——————————My pleasure.
>The biggest hypocrisy is commenters focusing on Cuomo’s cover-up (the actual nursing home police was and is defensible) and completely ignoring Trump’s lies and Kushner’s venality that killed t tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands.<
It’s not just the commenters, the FBI itself believes that the Cuomo cover-up story is more fact-based and worthy of investigation than “Trump’s lies and Kushner’s venality that killed t tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands”.
If the FBI is engaged in “The biggest hypocrisy”, don’t you think Joe Biden should do something about it? (And don’t tell me he hasn’t had the time yet, if he has time to play Luigi and make a fool of himself at the CNN Town Hall, he has time for this.)
>You did. The counterargument is that we don’t want antivaxxers to die either, regar sleds of their stupidity or defiance.<
I answered that counterargument too.
As of now there are no standing arguments as to why we should be regulated, if you do have any I’d be glad to see them, in the thread.@yserbius123 you misunderstood me too. I was talking about foggy glasses.
Ask anyone with myopia about this phenomenon and be prepared to hear the woes of the practically blind.>if someone decides not to get vaccinated, they might still get Covid and ch”v die.<
I’m not an anti-vaxxer and I don’t discourage getting vaccinated.
>if you don’t mind catching the virus; that’s your problem is an ethical question, not a practical one.<
I answered the ‘ethical question’ in the thread and as of now I haven’t gotten any counter-arguments.
The main question was a practical one; why not reopen?>Besides for MadeAliyah ethical shtickle Torah<
Not ethical, practical.
>I’m not addressing the issue of that causing non vaccinated to abandon mask wearing. You can still argue that<
We can and we did and still found no reason for the unvaccinated to wear masks. If that remains the case, then this should not be controversial.
Of course it “does not yet apply since many who want to get vaccinated have not yet been able to” in the US. I think I’ll bump the thread when it does apply.I’ll add one more to the list: people who wear glasses.
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LOL.(BTW, the vaccinated still need to wear masks, for no good reason)
>Will putting a small piece of fabric over your mouth and nose affect your life in any meaningful way<
You don’t wear eyeglasses, do you?
It can’t get much worse than this, right?
>“Prove your statement!”
It was covered by the New York Post, which is usually a Trump propaganda rag. The November 4 article was titled, “USPS says huge amount of mail-in ballots were not delivered”. I would post a link but the mods would likely delete it.<
@Health, how did you do that?
I’ve been asking @charliehall questions since I arrived at the CR and never got any answers.>isn’t now the time now to begin that dialogue??<
It is, and this thread might be doing just that: