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We have 6 boys over the age of bar mitzvah. There input in the invitation was the same as mine 45 years ago……0%.
lowerourtuition11210ParticipantJoseph: Not according to my Rov.
lowerourtuition11210ParticipantHere is the text of the normal berochah. I did not listen to the video. From what you are asking it seems to be the normal brocha on a kiddushin.
ברוּךְ אתּה י-י א-להינו מלךְ העוֹלָם אשׁר קדשׁנוּ בּמצוֹתיו וצוָנוּ על העריות ואָסר לָנוּ את הארוּסוֹת והתּיר לָנוּ את הנשׂוּאוֹת לָנוּ על ידי חפּה וקדוּשׁין. בּרוּךְ אַתּה י-י מקדשׁ עמוֹ ישראל על ידי חפּה וקדוּשׁין.
lowerourtuition11210ParticipantAbba_s: Yes but they are all linked to a diagnosis of covid-19 of a specific individual and members of his family who were exposed to him during the incubation period and he or his children either went to the shul or the schools involved.
lowerourtuition11210Participantthe word “NO” is still in the parent dictionary. you dont have to give your 6 year old an explanation.
February 26, 2020 11:31 am at 11:31 am in reply to: When do we close the Schools and Shuls? #1835630lowerourtuition11210ParticipantBased on what R’ Menachem Mannes Mandel (menahel Yeshiva of Brooklyn) taught us when an issue arose in 1974 , he will ask a shailoh of a gadol and follow that psak. I would think the same still applies.
lowerourtuition11210ParticipantReb Eliezer: For Maariv?No kedusha. For Shacharis? I dont know if you can as the tzibbur would lose out on birchas cohanim.
lowerourtuition11210ParticipantWhile I know my 2016 vote was going to be wasted in NYS, I held my nose as I wrote in “None of the Above”.
lowerourtuition11210ParticipantLibbi: This is not always so as can be seen by a story concerning R’ Avrohom Pam TZATAL. A yungerman in the yeshiva was asked to be a “tzenter” in a neighborhood minyan while walking to daven in yeshiva. He made the minyan but they davened at a pace that he was uncomfortable with. He asked Rav Pam if this happens again can he ignore the requestas the speed of the davening was problematic for him . Rav Pam suggested that he should walk a different route so that he wouldn’t have to pass that shul. So we see that Rav Pam’s psak was ruchniyos comes before chesed.
lowerourtuition11210ParticipantSecond attempt
student: hopefully you realized that UY started this thread in 2008.I doubt he/she has been sitting by the keyboard for 11+ years waiting for your response.lowerourtuition11210ParticipantGH: Why do you think Lake Terrace changed?
lowerourtuition11210Participantmik5: I know that my Rov will daven with only 6 mispallelim if 4 others are there to be “mashlim” the minyan. Bottom line, ask your LOR.
lowerourtuition11210Participantakiva1: As a resident of Flatbush, I have no idea what you are talking about.
lowerourtuition11210ParticipantPro Schnapps: Are you going to say not to learn gemora? I mean, that’s not written in loshon hakodesh?
lowerourtuition11210Participantstudent: hopefully you realized that UY started this thread in 2008.I doubt he/she has not been sitting by the keyboard for 11+ years waiting for your response.
lowerourtuition11210ParticipantPro Shnapps: If you were so worried why are you posting 5 minutes after licht tzinden in NYC?
lowerourtuition11210Participantmidwesterner: maybe to you its a rumor; tome it is fact it happened to my BIL and SIL who live in NJ but 35 miles north of Lakewood and to two of my neighbors.
lowerourtuition11210Participantmidwesterner: I did not anywhere suggest one make a shidduch based on geography or where to hold the wedding. One of my sons married someone from Baltimore and based on various factors the kallah’s side decided to make the wedding in Lakewood.
“You don’t have to be from Lakewood to make a wedding in Lakewood.” – however, the Lakewood caterers are starting to charge extra when neither the chosson or kallahs side live in Lakewood.
lowerourtuition11210ParticipantUnfortunately my “big city” NY mouth opened without thinking and providing a coherent response. If the shidduch is local of course one should try and stay local and I think it is fantastic that there is a local option. However, if its a Baltimore/Philadelphia or Baltimore/NY shidduch then one would have to weigh the cost of making the chasunah in Baltimore versus Lakewood, considering one would have to become a member of that shul (unless they are already a member).
lowerourtuition11210ParticipantBottom line for those in Baltimore, is Lakewood still the better option based on pricing or is the cost of this hall the same considering they will have to add on the cost of membership in the shul.
yosroellazear: You wrote “Not all caterers in Baltimore are under the Star K.” True, but it also means that they are not on the list of acceptable caterers for this hall.
February 18, 2020 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm in reply to: Did Rav Shmuel Kaminetzky write the Dirshu article in last week’s publications #1832972lowerourtuition11210ParticipantShlita is common for anyone who has semicha.
February 18, 2020 1:40 pm at 1:40 pm in reply to: Did Rav Shmuel Kaminetzky write the Dirshu article in last week’s publications #1832822lowerourtuition11210ParticipantHow is it misleading. It’s his name. The byline doesn’t say Rosh Yeshiva, Philadephia
lowerourtuition11210ParticipantPro: I am wondering how firewood would be chometz?
lowerourtuition11210Participant“how to do proper research”, all the research in the world will not reveal anything when things are hidden from others.
February 16, 2020 12:33 pm at 12:33 pm in reply to: Going local for Mesivta versus out of town #1832156lowerourtuition11210ParticipantSK: You started with the premise “Why has is become the new normalcy for mesivta boys to stay and go to a local mesivta versus everyone used to always go out of town”. Where and when was it “normal” to always goout of town? I was in Mesivta Chaim Berlin in the 1970’s and 90% of the talmidim were local (Brooklyn), 5% from Queens and 5% from outside New York State.
February 16, 2020 8:01 am at 8:01 am in reply to: Shidduch Crisis and the Freezer Defrosting #1832055lowerourtuition11210ParticipantAre Roster: Let’s go to your words “, take it up with this Gedolim who a) were born in Europe, b) have no bias, c) are real Gedolim (not merely occupiers of prestigious positions).
Men getting married when they are 22=25 was around in the days of Reb Moshe Feinstein, Reb Yaakov Kamenetsky, RFeb Henoch Leibowitz, Reb Shmuel Berenbaum all who fit your own word a) were born in Europe, b) have no bias, c) are real Gedolim (not merely occupiers of prestigious positions).
lowerourtuition11210ParticipantWhat makes you think it needs its own brocha?
February 14, 2020 8:00 am at 8:00 am in reply to: The top two dems are either a sodomite, or a communist #1831684lowerourtuition11210ParticipantI dont know if Bernie is a communist or not but his call and his followers call for a revolution is scary to me.
lowerourtuition11210Participant1: That is between CTL and his son, not a concern of the mechutans family and certainly not a concern of the denizens of the coffee room. If the parents of the chosson or kallah has the funds then there is no reason to turn to their parents to share in the cost. You asked “What else do you need the money for?” None of our business nor the mechutans family.
lowerourtuition11210ParticipantCTL: I had no doubt that you were asking these questions as someone who is not “in-town” ((sorry I am from Brooklyn) and doesnt travel in the “heimisheh” circles. It is something that was recently discussed by Chana Rose in her weekly article in the Flatbush Jewish Journal and a few months back in “The shidduch forum” in the Yated.
February 13, 2020 10:35 pm at 10:35 pm in reply to: Shidduch Crisis and the Freezer Defrosting #1831630lowerourtuition11210ParticipantAer Roster : Once again your disdain for american Gedolim just wants us to change the channel. So I am.
lowerourtuition11210ParticipantSyag Lchochma: Who are you replying to?
lowerourtuition11210ParticipantCTL: DIL thinks he believes grandparents should pay for as much as possible as there are younger children to educate and marry off.
If that’s the case let kallah’s grandparents pay as much as what they want. While they have an achrayis to help defray the cost of marrying off and educating the younger children of your future machatanim you do not.
lowerourtuition11210ParticipantCTL: I mentioned the professional shadchan as this issue of grandparent involvement is becoming an issue as you asked in your initial list of questions. Unlike my grandparents who only asked what is the date of the chasunah and what time do we have to be there for the pictures many of today’s grandparents want a bigger say in their grandchildrens lives so much so the parents of the chosson and kallah have not been allowed to grow up.
February 13, 2020 10:30 am at 10:30 am in reply to: Shidduch Crisis and the Freezer Defrosting #1831404lowerourtuition11210ParticipantRatuional: You stated “The Chazon Ish not only married “late”, he also married a woman who could no longer have children.” I have never heard this. In the ArtScroll Biography it only mentions they weren’t blessed with children not that she could no longer have children at the time they married.
lowerourtuition11210ParticipantCTL: Mazal Tov and may the chupa take place bshah tovah umitzlachas. and bezras hashem thhat youand
Mrs, CTL should see all your einiklach get married.1. Do I tell my son and daughter in law about this call?
Ask your Rov for guidance. It may be a shailoh of loshon harah.2. Is this an indication that the prospective in laws expect grandparents to support married children and grandchildren?
Parents and grandparents
3. Was the prospective grand father in law out of line in making the request?
IMHO, yes.
4. Is this a new custom or a custom in communities in which I don’t live?
This is a phenomenon that shaddchanim are dealing with on a constant basis, grandparents being actively involved in their grandchildrens shidduchim.5. If I pay for this am I expected to do the same for all my other grandchildren?
Probably.February 12, 2020 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm in reply to: Shidduch Crisis and the Freezer Defrosting #1831211lowerourtuition11210ParticipantYes their is a chiyuv to get married and engage in pru urivu. However their is no place in chumash that states the age one should get married. It s quite obvious that hamon ahm does not follow the shemonah esray guideline. Your arguments are not convincing any body. I do not know a psak except for my chaveirim who are advised by our inividual moreh derachim who all seem to have an opinion different than yours. I am also not speculating why our gedolim waited. It is just a simple FACT that many of them were married in their late twenties. In addition, you have the entire seviva of those in Yeshiva Chafetz Chayim who dont even start until they are 25.
February 11, 2020 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm in reply to: Shidduch Crisis and the Freezer Defrosting #1831057lowerourtuition11210ParticipantAre Roster: Wrong again, I know about how yidden lived in poverty in Russia. However Rav Moshe was the rav of the town. You claim we cant uproot chazal but puk chazi how hamon ahm firs zich. Bochurim waiting for 23 or 24 is not a 21st century phenomenon.
February 11, 2020 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm in reply to: Shidduch Crisis and the Freezer Defrosting #1830881lowerourtuition11210ParticipantAre Roster: When Gedolim got married is not relevant to this discussion? according to you they were mechuyav Misa? eb Moshe was the Rav of a town from the time he was 20. I dont think he was worried about not having food.
February 11, 2020 7:34 am at 7:34 am in reply to: Shidduch Crisis and the Freezer Defrosting #1830701lowerourtuition11210ParticipantAre Roster Thank you for quoting the chazon ish (reply 0830627) who was 27 when he married as was Reb Moshe Feinstein. Also we dont play the my gadol is not on the same level as yours.
February 11, 2020 7:33 am at 7:33 am in reply to: Why hasn’t the frumvelt embraced democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang #1830704lowerourtuition11210Participantbsharg2: Amy Klobuchar is the best for the Jews, out of the Democratic candidates. And your basis for this assertion?
February 10, 2020 9:34 pm at 9:34 pm in reply to: Shidduch Crisis and the Freezer Defrosting #1830668lowerourtuition11210Participantare roster: since i dont know you so i dont ask you my shailos. I have a rov who i consult regularly to help me navigate through these murky waters.(and none of his sons got married before the age of 23).
February 10, 2020 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm in reply to: Shidduch Crisis and the Freezer Defrosting #1830594lowerourtuition11210Participantbsharg2: who knows my children better ME or YOU??????? You think 21 is the oldest age? I can tell you without a doubt in my mind that my sons were not ready for marriage at 21. Not only that but neither was I. and yes I did gain some maturity between 21 and 23 when I started my shidduch odyssey. Part of that maturity came as my friends started to get married at that time so i dont agree that 21 is the the time they are mature or should be the oldest age.
February 10, 2020 10:48 am at 10:48 am in reply to: Shidduch Crisis and the Freezer Defrosting #1830448lowerourtuition11210ParticipantAre roster: You asked
“What percentage of Neilah Drashos in our shuls and yeshivos addressed this crisis? I’d say it’s close to zero. Why is that? Because IMHO most rabbanim concentrate on the issue of teshuva, not crisis in klal yisroel.
Why are people setting up tehillim groups to help their daughters get married but at the same time they are delaying their own sons (or sending their sons to yeshivos that encourage or force delay) from getting married? I have children of marriageable age of both genders. I am not delaying my sons; I did not believe that my sons were emotionally or financially ready before the age of 23 to start shidduchim. IMHO one of the biggest issues we have is this horrible mindset that if a girl is not married by 22 she is an “old maid”. Are boys 23 or 24 turning down shidduchim with girls 22 and 23 or is it their parents who are rejecting them?
lowerourtuition11210Participantbecause he is currently the duly elected president of the country.
February 9, 2020 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm in reply to: Shidduch Crisis and the Freezer Defrosting #1830320lowerourtuition11210Participantone of the most misunderstood rules is that of the “freezer”. First it is not every yeshiva in Lakewood only BMG. Many bochrim return from 1 -3 years in EY and yes are forced into the freezer for 4 months but that does not cause the crisis. If your “‘yankel” is 22 or 23 he does not have to wait to be accepted into BMG before starting to date. If already in middle of a shidduch when the zman starts he can avoid the freezer to see if that shidduch comes to fruition.Are you also going to sound off about Chafetz Chayim in Queens where most boys dont start until they are 25..
February 7, 2020 10:36 am at 10:36 am in reply to: Issuing calls for Tehillim when it’s (almost) too late. #1829785lowerourtuition11210ParticipantHaimy: I know of a recent case where the public was notified through YWN on the need for tefilos where the brother of the niftar told me that when his brother left for the hospital it was for a routine treatment and then something happened that turned into an unexpected crisis and by the end of the day his brother was niftar. Although he was sick it was not expected at that time.
February 6, 2020 11:35 am at 11:35 am in reply to: Issuing calls for Tehillim when it’s (almost) too late. #1829469lowerourtuition11210ParticipantHaimy: I remember that in 1978 in Mesivta Chaim Berlin we said tehillim b’rabim every day as a zechus for the refuah of R’ Boruch Sorotzkin TZATZAL (Telshe) until his petirah.
February 4, 2020 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm in reply to: Issuing calls for Tehillim when it’s (almost) too late. #1828813lowerourtuition11210ParticipantHaimy: This Story was Printed in the ArtScroll Biography of R’ Moshe Feinstein RE Reb Moshe’s sister Rebbitzen Chana Small.
When Rebbetzin Small was suffering for five years with a lingering, very painful illness, Reb
Moshe made a point of calling her regularly. During one of these calls, a grandchild overheard her
say, “Moshe, daven for me.” She listened to his response and then said, “Moshe, since we were young we all knew that the One Above listens to your prayers.” Toward the end of her life, Rebbetzin Small slipped into a coma. When she had been comatose for four days, her doctors suggested to the family that they “pull the plug.” There was virtually no hope that she would ever be conscious again, they argued, and even if she were to come out of the coma briefly, her brain could no longer function. The Small children asked Reb David and Reb Reuven to consult Reb Moshe on what they should do.Reb Moshe was in very delicate health and his sons felt that it would be dangerous to give him such tragic news, but they told the Small family that he had never permitted such a procedure. Soon after that call, Reb Moshe was reminiscing about his siblings and he mentioned the names of those who were no longer living; “Uber Chana leibt nach” (“But Chana is still alive”), he said.That very day, she awoke from her coma and became completely lucid. Her children and grandchildren visited and carried on conversations with her. For the first time she was able to meet a grandson’s new bride. For the next seven days she was completely conscious, and then she passed away.One never knows the power of tefilla and Hashems help comes Keref Ayin. Even if the sword is against ones next.
February 4, 2020 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm in reply to: What happens if the Corona Virus spreads to the U.S. #1828814lowerourtuition11210ParticipantListen to the Podcast interview of Rabbi Dr. Aaron Glatt https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1828418/listen-all-your-questions-about-coronavirus-answered-ywn-podcast-interviews-rabbi-dr-aaron-glatt.html
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