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It isn’t worth it to entertain Qwerty who actively posts motzei shem ra against the Rebbe.
He has to be out of his mind to attribute the koichos of amalek to the Rebbe, this is an obvious sign of sinas chinam.
Qwerty the pleasure you find in disparaging Lubavitch is not a good thing. I’m saying this with concern.
All others engaging him should seriously think about the consequences of him being goaded into saying any more foolish statements.
Ukraine should have surrendered from the get go. This nato proxy war nonsense isn’t going to solve anything.
I don’t hate you, I feel sorry for you.
“ Hashem will ask them why the messages didn’t get through to them.”
To say you know the thoughts of HaShem is a level of yeshus and gaavah unsurpassed in the CR. Everything you criticize the Rebbe of you exhibit in your own behavior. This entire thread is projection of your own issues.
Please quit making a fool of yourself and get the help you need.
Yankel: If you are correct then let’s see qwerty logically refute sechels sourced claims.
Harris wins people kvetch about Antifa wokeism Communism BDS voter fraud J6 etc.
Trump wins people kvetch about America First Nazis, racism, dominonist Xtianity voter fraud trump assassination etc.
Guess what, neither are going to do anything remarkable.
Much like the war in Gaza, the war in Ukraine, the civil strife in Britain things will grind on to be incrementally worse with no clear exit strategy or cathartic events.There is no going back like Trump proposes, and the way forward is gradual decline so might as well speed it up.
It says in Derech Mitzvosecha each yid has a role as a body part in klal yisrael. Sinas Chinam causes a yid to spiritually cut himself off from having the body part he hates, effectively creating a spiritual mum in himself. Just like a Korban wasn’t accepted by a kohen doing the avodah with a mum, when someone who holds baseless hatred in his heart for another yid has his davening rejected.
“ The Chazakah is that all Lubavitchers are idolaters.”
“ I didn’t say that all Lubavichers are idolaters.”
Which is it buddy? Is only Lubavitchers at your ChaBaD house that aren’t idol worshippers?
“ As for my position vis a vis the Rebbe. He was a Kofer”
Why don’t you tell this to your ChaBaD rabbis face? I’m sure he will think you are considered qualified to make such a judgment.
No qwerty I have given up. To declare all of ChaBaD idol worshippers and disparage the Rebbe says more about you and your sinas chinam. The level of hypocrisy you display going to a ChaBaD Shul is proof, you can’t even act on your supposed convictions.
The Rebbe Rashab is right sinas chinam rises from a place beyond sechel as observed in the lack of any intelligent replies to sechel’s sources.
What’s funny to me is how angry you are with ChaBaD, I would love to know where that stems from, probably no reasonable place. I would suggest picking up sn English copy of Cheichaltzu by the Rebbe Rashab and do the homework to discover why you hate fellow Jews so much.
“ Until the Gedolim pasken that davening in a Chabad minyan is Assur I’ll continue to do so”
Why haven’t they paskened so? If ChaBaD is so trief why haven’t modern Poskim put them all in cherem?
I find that emphasizing limud l’chol in yeshivas like YU is far more problematic than some nut jobs in 770 allegedly davening to the Rebbe.
Inquisitor QWERTY has indicted himself in idol worship by davening in a ChaBaD Shul.
“ according to Rabbi Akiva anyone who supports idolatry is an Idolater.”
Checkmate
You can’t whine your way out of this one.
So based on your logic R. Lichtenstein is an idol worshipper for giving ChaBaD a haskama and associating with R. Kolartsky?
Haha coffee just accept you wasted your time on coming up with nonsense lol.
I listened to the podcast, in no way do any of the Poskim interviewed dismiss the entirety of ChaBaD.
I implore everyone to listen to this podcast, it’s probably the best counter to everything qwerty has to say.
In no way does R. Shachter condemn the entirety of ChaBaD during this interview, he expresses concern about a rumored small contingent in ChaBaD that may or may not be davening to the Rebbe chas v’shalom. I agree 100% that is avodah zarah and should be rightly called out. To condemn the entire movement is a major shtus as expressed by the yeshivish rabbonim on this podcast.
I can’t find said podcast what’s the name and date of it and I’ll have a go.
“ So do you agree that many Lubavichers are idolaters as Rav Herschel Schachter said on the Lichtenstein program? The Rosh Yeshiva said that many Lubavichers daven to the Rebbe instead of Hashem.”
Frankly I don’t care what they say. I had a bochur from YU ask me how kohanim can enter 770 since the Rebbes bones are interred in the bimah. I have never met a Lubavitcher that has davened to the Rebbe that is a crazy idea.
R. Schacter is holding pretty ignorantly if he really said this. I will look for the podcast tonight.
But if you daven to the tzaddik, it’s assur.
I agree.
Is going to the kever of a tzadik to daven avodah zarah?
DaMoshe apparently I’m not,
I apologize for being petty and crass.
I would say these things to you in person, so I shouldn’t say them online I’m guilty of what I accuse you of.
“But if as you imply, there were people saying that a dead man is still alive, then yes. That would be considered either avodah zara, or stupidity to literally any frum Yid.“
So according to your point you are literally saying chazal are stupid or idol worshippers for telling the story of R. Yehuda HaNasi?
I’m curious what are the agreed upon qualifications for someone to be considered a tzadik by the majority of yidden?
QWERTY, I hope you know what you are doing disparaging the Rebbe.
I 100% believe if you saw the Rebbe walking by you would stand just like everyone else in here. Believe it or not I would definitely stand for litvish “gedolim” out if respect of their learning.QWERTY is a fitting name considering what a cowardly keyboard warrior you are, I doubt your even a doctor and are probably saying this all from your parents basement lol.
שכל is the פרצוף comprised of חכמה בינה ודעת
Maybe I missed your point?
The Rebbe for his entire nasius talked many times over that the previous Rebbe (Rayatz) was nistaliek but regardless among the chassidim. In the very story on hei teves regarding the ownership of the sefarim it was considered insane to think the R. Rayatz was niftar, so there was no concept of inheritance in the matter.
Was this considered avodah zarah?
“The Rebbe became Moshiach before he died so it’s not a contradiction to the Chofetz Chaim ‘s Psak.”
So where’s the rest of the story? It sounds like you were checkmated by a psycho Lubavitcher!
“The Chabad shul I attend has a nice breakfast after davening on Sunday. Again. It’s not exactly a Chabad shul.“
I don’t know QWERTY that sounds awfully a lot like a church service you may be attending.
Man how many software updates did you guys miss lol?!?
It’s 5784, if not for the Baal Shem Tov could you imagine what the world would look like today?
If holding by the Gra I guess I’m in cherem and so should you for eating meat shechted by chassidim holding by chassidishe hiddurim.
Are you even allowed to communicate with me if I’m in cherem as poskened by the Gra?
Since QWERTY goes to a ChaBaD Shul which according to his own standards is commiting avodah zarah, can we trust he’s not davening in a church as well?!?
I’m pretty sure your preoccupation of sinas chinam against Lubavitch closer to true avodah zarah.
It sure has been fun watching dunning Kruger effect reveal it’s self in real time though!
QWERTY obsession would mean I think about you as much as you keep the Rebbe foremost in your mind. That isn’t the case, you sure are entertaining though.
No problem:
See masechta Sotah on listening to music after the churban. Obviously there is a meilah to being miserable before geulah but are we so holy in this dor that this means anything?
Serious question, are you saying Avinu Malkienu after davening l’chol in your Shul? If so how long does that last?
Is ivrit any better?
“Would it be too much to ask you to say something substantive?”
Other than repeating Rebbe and ChaBaD over and over I have yet to see anything substantial from your posts.
I suggest you write the Rebbe Shlita and refer to Iggros to discover why you think about him so much. Hatzlacha Rabbah!
I think QWERTY is officially the coffee room shliach, one only has to review his post history and see each post contains either the words Rebbe or ChaBaD.
Keep up the good work as a true chasid and lamp lighter of the Rebbe in this choshech we call the coffee room lol.
Look who’s back! QWERTY saw a ChaBaD thread and had to put in his two cents.
QWERTY is someone all of Lubavitch should look up to, his thoughts revolve totally around the Rebbe with no interruption.
“Why do most people pronounce the first two words of the Kaddish as יִתְגַּדַּל וְיִתְקַדַּשׁ when the גר”א demonstrated that those two specific words are not Judeo-Aramaic but לשון הקדש and should thus be pronounced יִתְגַּדֵּל וְיִתְקַדֵּשׁ? (See ס’ מעשה רב.)”
I’ve wondered about this since I heard it in a yeshivish Shul thanks for clarifying.
Reb I think even the democrats have given up on claiming voting for them is the moral choice, especially after their rhetoric led to an attempted assassination of a presidential candidate.
It will be great, as a matter of fact let’s do away with elections all together and give unlimited power to the left. Republicans are a threat to democracy and shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Democrats know what’s best for people, more so than themselves.
By the way you are five years behind on international troll culture, trad wives are back out of fashion as they don’t exist amongst the western goyim.
Ha trad wives only exist in the chassidishe velt. Litvaks making their wives work to support limud Torah certainly isn’t trad, only beta males make their wives work. MO are all educated woke girl bosses, definitely not trad territory.
Ctlawyer, I am willing to wager Biden resigns to give Harris legitimacy any talk of this in your cigar smoke filled rooms?
Also how do you feel about the loss of labor support for democrats, can you attribute this to elitism and trade agreements?
Reb Eliezer, what percentage of the Bolsheviks were Jewish? Did that factor help Jews in Russia?
Where’s Jackk our local party apparatchik to set the record straight? The coffee room has been very counter revolutionary and should be castigated accordingly.
But objective establishment media that I trusted said he was functioning at a 174 IQ level….. I feel lied to.
I wonder what else they have lied about?
didan notzach !
Gadol:
The Trump assassination attempt was actually a Russian expert sniper taking a precise shot at Trump in order to garner support for MAGA.
Biden is getting it from all sides, I feel for him.
Now I’ve heard the Russians are fixing all the polls in Trumps favor and black mailing people into wearing MAGA hats. What’s worse is they are convincing the foolish black voters into supporting him.
Remember behind every Trump vote are many Russian agents and rubles just like 2016 but worse.
Jackk you are right, it is obviously Russian influence just like in 2016 that everyone is turning on Biden. I had no idea how pervasive the Russians were. So many people are falling for the deepfake debate and believing Biden isn’t fit to serve. First Hillary was cheated by the russians, now Biden, there should be another investigation!
Anyone who doesn’t support Biden is a Russian sympathizer just like in 2016. There should be another investigation obviously many democrats are complicit in supporting Russian propaganda.
Jackk you may be terribly misguided politically but spot on with your chassidishkeit.
“ Chasidus fills a void within the heart of every Yid. Exactly what the Besht was sent to this world for.”
I don’t know how this is possible but I love you as a yid all the same.