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Aha! How interesting. No matter what people throw at Wolf, he seems to thrive on it. At last we’ve found a way to unsettle him.
All right there, take a nice deep breath, no don’t feel bad, its very healthy to vent every now and then…
Now THAT’s a good bump!
Oomis – A major theme of Pesach (discussed by many seforim) is actually separation from Ta’avos, by eating the simple bread. So yes, it could be argued that these products violate the spirit of the law.
Sam2 – question there l’chumra or l’kulah
Firstly, my point was that if the seder would “formally” be over on time, as is best l’halacha, it would be practical to have a shalom zachor. You could happily continue afterwards til you fall asleep at the table.
Second – most delays are not in magid, but in getting ready, hearing 27 mah nishtana’s, giving out maror and korach portions, and afikoman negotiations (apply whichever of the above happens in your family).
Third, most cute vertlach that people say at magid has nothing to do with sipur yetzuas mitzrayim.
“And now, you have a situation where each one thinks the other is wrong, while in reality, it is entirely possible that they are both correct for their own personal circumstances. Isn’t that possible?”
Yes. But it is also possible that each one of their reasoning applies to each others circumstances just fine, and they simply have different ways of viewing the reality. That’s how Gd made it work, people think differently. So from each perspective, the other is wrong, and to say “for him its fine” is a sign of a weak intellect – as the quote from Mr Nash that I wrote.
Ditto for your second remark. According to what I’m explaining, always taking the view that “Different things work for different people” is equivalent to not really having a view.
I did not bump it, kozov did.
Last time I read it, I was not a member.
My aversion to this thread would include posting the reason for my aversion, which would require my expressing my opinion on the matter, which make me part of this thread, which make me averse to myself…
was talking about soliek
don’t really follow the “personal” stuff here, so maybe I didn’t make sense…
MP – I just read the recent part of the YU thread going on – I think you really gotta get this message. Let’s not bring over the debate, but for the people claiming what they claim on that thread against YU, you can’t then say “it’s great for the ones who want to go”. Take a stand (at least in your mind)!
If he’s a liar, maybe he does remember. He’s just lying.
been everywhere, done all of it, huh ?
Please don’t bother responding, this is a pretty inane conversation
“different strokes for different folks” means that this is inherently right for me, and that for you. Nothing to debate, depends who you are.
Strongly disagreeing means that from my viewpoint, you are WRONG. According to the sechel G-d gave me, you are wrong. Yet I am tolerant, for I realize that my intelligence is not the end-all way of viewing reality.
How about the yeshivos that offer big tests, with rewards, after bein hazmanim, which would require a LOT of chazarah.
Yom Kipur you use besamim.
If we would all 1)start our seder right away, as required by Halacha, and 2)not stretch it out to tell everyone “I went til 3 this year”, it would be quite practical.
“but there is at least one answer to each question.”
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What if popa apologizes ? 🙂
Sometimes I wonder wht is mine,
tolerance, or a rubber spine.
Agreeing to disagree (tolerance) does not mean “to each their own”. I can tolerate your seeing things different, despite vehemently disagreeing on the position.
So it would appear people are not being makpid to refer to times based on Shabos (hayom yom..), but on saying Shabos instead of Saturday.
Yes, but the main point is the no pressure, and these programs certainly create pressure
My aversion for this thread has not improved after 7 months…
“If you think the OU is not OK, then you are saying Rav Belsky is not good enough for you”
Absolutely not. The OU themselves will gladly tell you that there is a need for their kulos for the wide tzibbur, and it makes perfect sense for an individual to be machmir. That’s besides questions of machlokes, no big chumrah, just a particular question R’ Belsky happens to hold is muta and your Rav holds is assur.
Toi – not embrace, but prepare. To teach them about the process of dealing with adverse situations, not only instructing them as to the most favorable situation to strive for.
This doesn’t have to mean exposing them, although avoiding extremes might be nice. I mean educating about the nature of life and the problems it brings.
Toi – as I wrote earlier, I was writing on a side point. I def. agree about FB.
But – “im lo nufalti, lo kamti. im lo ha’ya choshech, lo ha’ya ohr li”. more or less. meaning they must happen, not just a silver lining. So yes, you don’t try to fall, but as you’re aware of the fact that you will, you prepare differently.
I once saw a bachur in a store walking around, not realizing that his pants had ripped and…. well, lets not go into details. We were both embarrassed when I told him, but the alternative….
Toi – and yet you would agree that we learn from our mistakes, and that process does have to happen (I assume).
So when, and/or in what areas, would that apply ?
Why are there so many learning programs bein hazmanim, if the point is to rest/take a break/change of pace etc ?
Why is it different because its a sibling ?
If there’s a good chance your words will be taken in the right way, you should point such a thing out to anyone. And if not, don’t take liberties because its a sibling.
I have a sibling who does something similar. I don’t think she wants to hear from me, so I shut up.
Maybe we shouldn’t just exempt ourselves with some tefilah rally, and then just go on. maybe we should actually think that He wants something from us, and each of us personally try to change where we need to. Tefilah rallies feel good. Change is hard.
And tips on relationships are relevant to Pesach too, in case you have a date chol hamoed ? etc
Little – I did not advocate putting your kid in a school where he will get very different ideas than your home. There should be a mix, though, and its hard to know where to draw the line.
My point was that haskafos in school usually come across black and white. The main chinuch is to understand the gray areas, and how to work in them individually.
And is there a reason I find a ranting about all chocolate being non-kosher, or the permissibility of shavers, in a book I buy which says “Pesach guide” ???
Read R’ Blumenhrantz’s book carefully. He questions the need for kosher l’pesach cosmetics etc. He then brings the chumrah’s that explain it, and many products are not explained.
Toi – I know what you mean, I meant the length.
This thread had potential to actually create some interesting conversation. But it degenerated pretty quickly, like most threads these days.
Read the OU book, and you won’t worry about these things again.
He doesn’t “get” chinuch, though.
In the first tapes, he made it sound s though the kids just changed on the spot. He said in an interview that he doesn’t get carried away thinking about the effect of the tapes, and quoted a story about kids who argued where to sit while listening to the shalom song. And then incorporated it into his last tape, when the kids become impatient right away again.
I give him more credit than he gives himself. Of course kids won’t change right away, but they def. absorb the messages, and slowly learn whats right. It also builds an inner knoledge of whats right, as they’ve absorbed the message when young, and will be more likely to actively work on themselves when older than kids who didn’t make a fuss about midos when younger.
ZK – ranting is a very good way of making a point, thanks.
Klal Yisrael is zoche to have many great Poskim. If you consider them chamorim, sorry. Someone who is not extremely knowledgable in Halachah should not be sharing psak with the wide tzibur, despite being the head of a Torah institution. We shall obviously not begin to discuss which R”Y is qualified and who is not.
Toi – with all due respect to RY’s, leave them out of such a question. And there are plenty of chashuve accepted mohalim who don’t do it.
Toi – do you think bein hazmanim really works ? (Maybe this is not a good forum for this.) You know the joke – you have a long bein hazmanim so you actually want the zman to start again! (I know, its in bad taste)
Toi – actually I think you should go to law school just to introduce to them the powerful thumb-waving thinking technique 🙂
I, on the other hand, enjoy dealing with them at length, and while of course they never admit to anything, to others who read the exchange it becomes clear who proved what.
Sorry WC, totally did not understand your post ?
and I’m waiting for oomis to answer, (cuz I find that she has a lot of common sense), not her fan club who like it when she stands up for women, without addressing any points on the issue.
On the other hand, it is the first children’s tape I have ever heard that properly explains “vatranus”.
I know this is off topic, but:
I agree with MP about the role of school vs. parents, but not (I think) for the same reason.
“Hashkafos” in this sense – how to approach the world, yidishkeit, etc – can’t and shouldn’t be taught in a school setting. They need to be taught as gray areas, with the understanding that they heavily depend on the individual, and continue to change as he does – and therefore is suitable for the parent/child dynamic.
Oh – and I think you’re rally demeaning women by your interpretation of the brocho “shelo asani isha”.
Sort of like “Thank you G-d, for not making me a dog, so I don’t have fleas”.
Health – I have to show my wife your post. She’d get a real kick out of the idea of me being henpecked. I don’t even understand the idea.
oomis – I understand what your saying, but continuously bringing examples of the physical hardships of pregnancy does not prove your point. I have been through several with my wife, and am (way too!) familiar with all those details.
My point still stands. That is one issue, and the difficulty of the husband is another. I wasn’t bothered by your opinion on which is worse – I just don’t think it makes sense to make the comparison at all.
Why is it “all about her” ? When a man is sick c”v, and the entire household is in turmoil, is it “all about him” ? Would the wife not be entitled to her support etc. ?
We’re not discussing feeling like a victim, simply the legitimization of the his problem.
hey, who let a woman into our locker room ?!
Toi – funny “tzushtel”, not sure ’bout that one.
No, I don’t think you need a full month, then three weekd after 3 months of zman, and certainly not 3 weeks after 5 weeks of elul zman! And I’ve rarely met the bachur who disagrees (in principle).
And Bein Hazmanim doesn’t have to mean “vacation” in the literal sense”. The change of routine, which could include helping at home, goes a long way (talking to shmoel here).